200 FPS Quake3 1.5GHz P4

Mixxen

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These benchmarks seem more legit than the one's at the-ctrl-alt-delete.com

P4 1.5GHz Geforce2 GTS

As usual, the P4 1.5GHz is faster than the P3 1GHz, but it will probably lose to the P3 clock vs. clock.
 

Train

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Q3 is getting old, the P4 is for the next generation of games, not the last one, Im sure in the next few years, we will see applications that will make the P4 much more appealing than the P3
 

Train

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the article was biased, of course the PIII and Athlon are better bang for buck right now, but thats not the point, and they also seem to miss the point on a few things, for example:



<< Intel can't make 'em faster than 1.5 gigahertz (GHz) yet >>



what an idiot, like intel couldnt make these at 2ghz right now if they wanted to, im 100% sure they could have STARTED this core at 2ghz, but hello, ever hear of marketing? they will release each clock speed a month or two apart, and drop prices on the old ones to keep people buying, this is how they suck money out of us consumers.
 

PG

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The P4's performance with the distributed.net client ? one of the world's leading suckers up of otherwise unused CPU cycles ? was appallingly bad. My 800MHz Athlon crushed the 1.5GHz P4 by 50% for RC5 cracking (trying to break a strongly encrypted message by brute force) and by 20% for OGR (finding Optima Golomb Rulers, a task which is actually somewhat useful).

A 400MHz P-II managed almost exactly half of the P4's scores. None of the six RC5 cracking cores suited the P4 at all. It just stank. Intel are selling Celerons at the moment that do better.

Presumably, a P4-optimised RC5 core for the distributed.net software will come along shortly, and perhaps there'll be an update for the OGR side as well. If you're trying to look studly in the distributed.net rankings, though, the P4 is at the moment a really bad choice.



 

NOX

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Those are some big numbers, but I'll hold of till Anands review.
 

Dulanic

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Thats horrid. You have a 50% increase in clock speed and if you look between all the benchmarks we see an average of 15-25% increase. Thats alot of clock for clock speed lost there. Palomino is gonna rock this thing, AMD I saying a 2Ghz Palomino is going to be equal to a 3Ghz Athlon.... so if Intel takes a 25% performance loss per clock.... and this is going under AMDs #s... A Palomino gaines 25%... that gives them a 50% difference.... pretty hefty.
 

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on the RC5 note
i think there will be a core optimised for P4 for sure. but the question remains, how much faster it is with the newer P4 core of the client.

 

Train

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the current D.Net client wont recognize a P4 cpu, it probly had the totally wrong core selected, benchmarks without a proper core are meaningless
 

Dulanic

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BTW when AMD says we will see 2Ghz Palomino performing what a 3Ghz Athlon would I don't doubt it. There have been tons of articles about how AMD had to get the Athlon out fast and that there was still alot of performance enhancements they could do to the core.
 

Doggiedog

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No.

I just met with the IR guy at Intel and he said it will be their next line of processor for the next 5 years.

The Itanium will be marketed as a separate line for Servers and Workstations.
 

Dulanic

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That would be bad for Intel considering AMD PLANNED to introduce 6 new CPUs next year... althought minus mustang now that may be 5.
 

Doggiedog

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You're telling me.

I was questioning him as to why people would upgrade to P4 considering the cost and the fact that the business PC market right now stinks but he kept telling me that people will buy it because it has 20 pipelines instead of 12, SSE2, etc., etc.

I don't buy it.

I don't think he did either since he kept stressing how their notebook and server chips are selling well.

BTW: He said 1.13Ghz P3 won't come out til 2Q01 but I'm sure you guys know that already.
 

jaydee

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What's the point on benchmoarks of tomarrow's computer with todays games? They mean squat as long as it's playable. It can't be correctly asessed until we can compare it to games that will be mainstream by the time it come out to the public IMO.
 

Dulanic

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Theyll buy it because it has 20 pipelines? Through some microprocessor research I did at school I learned that somewhere between 12-16 is optimal and 20 is actually supposed to cause a loss of performance.
 

ndee

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OK, the &quot;people&quot; will buy it cuz of the 20 pipelines? Which John Doe knows what a pipeline is? (I don't even know what a pipeline is, I read about it, but I couldn't explain it to someone) I think the P4 will not succeed, that's my opinion, I could be wrong. What will the Advertising be like: &quot;Pentium IV, making your keyboard faster, with enhanced mouse gigaturbo-eCommerce clicking!&quot;
 

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ndee, LOL!

&quot;PIV, due to the sticker on your computer, if your computer fails when no one is around, the paramedics will know to give it an IV!&quot;

&quot;PIV, sucks more power than a V5-6000!&quot;

&quot;PIV, sucks more than your top of the line Hoover!&quot;

&quot;PIV, layin the megahurts down on AMD....for about 5 minutes until Palomino comes out!&quot;

Sorry, I just did track in 30`F weather with gusty winds and hail...blech! I'm a bit out of it...
 

Argo

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Although I do know what a pipeline is, and I do know that longer pipeline usually means slower clock for clock performance, it's still too early to judge. However, I do know one thign, P4 will require whole new mobo, case and rambus. That's enough for me to acknowledge that it sucks.
 

Doggiedog

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That's what the IR guy (Doug Lusk) said. I guess they have nothing else to brag about. No wonder they're still advertising the P3 on TV.
 

Mixxen

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A deeper pipeline will results in higher misprediction penalties. If there is a misprediction, then the pipeline will need to be flushed, and since the pipeline of the P4 is longer there will be more clocks wasted flushing the pipeline.

The Athons were rushed out to compete with the P3's. Because of this, the Athons have POS branch prediction compared to the K6. The Palomino will be a killer.
 

RagingGuardian

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But remember the Palomino features more and longer pipelines so I think that with a beter BPU it still won't be that much faster than a Tbird. If the new BPU is as powerful as the one featured on the K62 line then I take that back.
 

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well first of all, you can't come outright and say oh AMD or INtel's gonna rule with such and such core..

it depends on many things..

the P4 with it's ability to have REALLY high clock speeds might overcome it's clock for clock performance by being capable of extremely high mhz. the P4 when it tops out, OBVIOUSLY will perform better then the P3, in old, AND new benchmarks. therefor, I feel that the FINAL chip performance justifies what they've done to that chip.

however, currently what they've done makes it look bad, because we have a fairly old CPU (the P3 and Athlon core which hasn't really been modified since it's birth) that is clock for clock faster (currently).

if Intel has designed the P4 correctly, when it DOES hit much higher clock speeds, it will continue to scale well whereas the gains of mhz on a P3, or Athlon might not gain the same returns (cache size etc contributes to this).

howver, because I've been proven wrong on this subject so many times before, you have to take what I say with a grain of salt, at least until PM comes in and proves/disproves me!

looking at the current situation, with the Palomino imminent, these scores are unimpressive, because much of that extra boost that Quake 3 recieves has to do with the FSB and RAM overall speed (however DRDRAM isn't a good answer for extremely high mhz CPU's, because the CPU shouldn't have to wait so long (an eternity for ghz CPU's) for data from the RAM, lower latency RAM would be better in this respect).

T-Bird not only is clock for clock faster with an untweaked core and Via chipset with SDRAM running at 133mhz, but Palomino with it's tweaked core and DDR SDRAM capabilities as well as the 133mhz FSB capability, will counteract most advantages of the P4's increased fsb etc.

for example, they test Quake 3 at 640X480 on normal quality, I'm sufficienltly sure that the Palomino can do reach those speeds as well.

finally, I don't trust these scores either.. I'll wait till Anand does a review..
 

Mixxen

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Yeah, the P4 is being built for MHz, that is the reason behind the deeper pipeline. This is because MHz sells to the majority.

Anyway, this is the end of the line for the x86 architecture. I don't think anyone can pull off another 486 to Pentium to Pentium Pro type leap in performance for the x86. Thus we see the race for MHz, as this maybe the last reasonable way to make an x86 based chip faster.
 

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im from Missouri...the &quot;show me state&quot; ill have to see these results from a site that i trust like anandtech or hardocp before i put any trust to what intel samples show.

the only reason i dont say &quot;see it first hand&quot; is because i have been set free from the shackles wich intel had once used to imprison me. I have an incurable bange for buck upgrade habit and i have recently been converted from intel, and instead of just processor upgrads i am now able to upgrade motherboards video cards and hard drives with the money i save buying amd processors as oposed to intel chips.