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Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: AmusedOne
I can understand call centers allowing you to surf in between calls. I mean, I'm not completely inflexable guys :)

Just as long as we're clear, there are times when it's appropriate & when it's not - Your post seemed a little heavy-handed.

If my work ever bans surfing I'll likely quit. I would rather do physical labor than sit at my desk staring at my call database between calls.

Viper GTS
 

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Originally posted by: AmusedOne
I can understand call centers allowing you to surf in between calls. I mean, I'm not completely inflexable guys :)

Amused, I know the sorts of employees you are used to. I've got 30 stores worth of them that I deal with on a daily basis. If you are not VERY explicit in your policys they will be stretched to the point of breaking. We haven't had any one at this company fired for innappropriate browsing, but I'm sure in time, somebody will slip up and be asked to leave.

 

Ameesh

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Originally posted by: LostHiWay
Jesus..Some of you guys have it rough. Where I work they could care less if you look at porn..we can basically do anything we want as long as it's legal and customers don't see. The only thing they care about is you getting your job done. If you can do your job and then look at porn...fine.

me too! no one cares here either
 

trmiv

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS


If my work ever bans surfing I'll likely quit. I would rather do physical labor than sit at my desk staring at my call database between calls.

Viper GTS


That's what I used to have to do when I worked at the payroll company ADP in the payroll call center. We used dumb terminals, so there was no chance to surf the Internet. On light call volume days you wanted to shoot yourself from boredom.
 

Shelly21

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Originally posted by: AmusedOne
Well, you all can hate me...

But my position would be this: I don't pay you to surf the net, therefore any net surfing not directly related to work would be 100% prohibited. Just as personal phone calls are banned or severely restricted in most places, so should personal internet surfing.

I wouldn't have a problem if you did it on your time with my equipment so long as you didn't abused my bandwidth. But then, someone would and I'd be forced to cut everyone off.

Think about this, what would you do if your gardener took an extra hour working at your house each week but all he did was use your computer to surf the net and send E-mails... and he charged you for that extra hour?

What would you say if your auto mechanic pulled your laptop out of your car, surfed the net for a few hours, and charged those hours as "labor" on your repair bill?

I agree with you mostly... except it's all for people who are paid by the hours.

Think about this, Bill Gates gets paid every second for even when he's in the bathroom taking a dump. I guess as long as he gets things done, he can take as many bathroom breaks as he wants right?
 

azazyel

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well sometimes surfing is the only thing that keeps me saine. I mean somedays I have almost nothing to do, but then there are other days were I can't even find time to take lunch.
 

Tripleshot

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If there is a written policy and it is enforced, no big deal. Common sense says you are paid to work, not surf the web.

If there is no written policy and management gets a hair and uses this as a tool to trim the payroll, then thats another issue.

I think it is incumbant upon the employer to take measures to limit internet access, and that can easily be done. That is what management needs to do with the IT dept. Then,coupled with a written policy, no recource would be available to the emplyee that violates the terms of employment.

I have no problem with that approuch at all.
 

StageLeft

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Company policy here is softcore during work hours and beastility allowed at lunch.

Actually if you're fired for surfing porn at work you're a dumb bastard and had it coming to you. It's like people who die without using seatbelts or die of lung cancer from smokes. Not an ounce of sympathy. How many people is it gonna happen to before you learn? Some people are just too damn stupid.
 

Shelly21

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It was just hard to believe that a 40 year old married woman would be sending out porn in her email.

In my department, we have a Compaq 3000 server called "MP3SERVER" and it's a member of the domain. It is the mp3 jukebox for the Network Department. Talk about double standard. People download mp3s and just dump it there for everyone to listen to at work. Last time I checked there are about 8 gigs of stuff on there.
 

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In my department, we have a Compaq 3000 server called "MP3SERVER" and it's a member of the domain. It is the mp3 jukebox for the Network Department. Talk about double standard. People download mp3s and just dump it there for everyone to listen to at work. Last time I checked there are about 8 gigs of stuff on there.

If any of those 20 people that were asked to leave have an axe to gring, there's one hell of a place to start!
 

Sketcher

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If it?s a standard of corporate policy ? said company can implement discipline according to their guidelines and discretion. Most ?Internet Usage? policies are structured by Human Resources protecting the corporate entity from sexual harassment issues. Factors such as bandwidth, time usage, ownership, sexual content, political, racial or various other inflammatory content underpinnings are detailed aspects of one general concept = wasting company time = wasting company money = using company resources to conduct personal recreation and or non-work related business.

Furthering the issue are factors involving inappropriate use of company resources ranging from actual illegal activity to simply wasting company time on non-work related endeavors. The range of what is considered ?illegal? and inappropriate is not at all a ?Relative? issue as some might argue. This doesn?t have to be a matter of what is factually legal in your country/state/city/town etc. The crux of what the issue comes down to is whether the issue of concern is appropriately addressed and documented by said company and viewed, agreed to and signed by said employee.

It doesn?t matter if some freak in HR states in company policy that simply viewing a web page showing Disney characters is considered against company regulation and will result in termination. If you read the policy, and agree by signing that you?ve read the policy and then go surf and view Disney characters = you?re liable for termination of employment. It doesn?t matter if viewing the Disney characters is non-sexual, non-political, non-racial, non-inflammatory, non-anything. It?s in the company policy. You?ve waived your right to employment.

Read your company policy. If it?s addressed ? even in vague, non-descriptive terms, you?re liable. The extent to which you can be prosecuted is determined by the accuracy and detail of the policy.

Bottom Line Layman?s terms = It?s not yours. If you don?t like it, you don?t have to show up. If you don?t recall your particular company policy, you?re better off taking time to look it up and understand it rather than take your chances and be surprised when you?re walked out the door.

I?m a System?s Administrator who enforces policy at the request of our Human Resources department. However, I go out of my way to ?NOT? be Big Brother. It makes for a paranoid working environment and frankly, it?s a waste of my time babysitting corporate policy. But, I also understand productivity issues, appropriate use of resource, and my particular company policy (in part because I?ve helped write it).

Hmm, now that I think about it ? taking the time to write this and post it in a non-technical community forum during company hours could potentially waive ?MY? right to employment!!!!! Uh, except for that part of my Job Description that describes (in vague terms) participating in forum and newsgroup discussions to further technology awareness and maintain a current and relevant pulse on IT in regard to my department and overall job function.

Which, of course I full well believe I am doing. Just ask me!

**Then there was that time that nightly network backup's started failing due to lack of media space - At the time, our policy didn't specifically address the issue of a user dropping nearly 6 GB's of mp3's on to the network. We didn't fire him, just informed him of the new appropriate use of company resource policy (and began learning about disk quotas and forced space limitation). He became a non-issue.

I think it's worthwhile to give everyone a chance to screw up twice. But when it starts costing money, and policy is dictated - it's best to be a good little doggy and do what's right.
 

Chaotic42

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If they signed an appropriate use policy, that's their own fault.

It is a bit harsh though just for surfing. I only use the internet for personal use when I work weekend overnights 12am-6am, because there is nothing else to do. I'm there to push F5 twice an hour and be on the air for :30.
 

flavio

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I WOULD HATE BEING EMPLOYED BY A FSCKING ANAL COMPANY!

I surf as much as I want, wherever I want. I have a job to get done and as long as I do it well nobody at mt work cares what else I do. People bring their dogs to work here, we have a foosball table in the back and I have a management-approved Playstation Emulator on my Mac.

people take life way to seriously.
 

Hammer

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It's very strict here and there have been terminations in the past for it. Not in my group, but I have seen it in a few others.
 

ErmanC

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Originally posted by: AmusedOne

But my position would be this: I don't pay you to surf the net, therefore any net surfing not directly related to work would be 100% prohibited. Just as personal phone calls are banned or severely restricted in most places, so should personal internet surfing.

I wouldn't have a problem if you did it on your time with my equipment so long as you didn't abused my bandwidth. But then, someone would and I'd be forced to cut everyone off.


Bulls#$t. Who wants to work in that atmosphere? You don't need employees, you need machines. A good manager picks people they can trust, tells them what's expected, and then trusts them to do what is right. If you're always breathing down their necks over productivity you're just gonna piss them off and get less out of them than they would otherwise deliver on their own. Put out or get out is my motto and forget the small stuff like surfing the net and talking on the phone occaisionally. (Porn ain't small stuff though, in that case warn then fire 'em if it happens again.)
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: ErmanC


Bullshit. Who wants to work in that atmosphere? You don't need employees, you need machines. A good manager picks people they can trust, tells them what's expected, and then trusts them to do what is right. If you're always breathing down their necks over productivity you're just gonna piss them off and get less out of them than they would otherwise deliver on their own. Put out or get out is my motto and forget the small stuff like surfing the net and talking on the phone occaisionally. (Porn ain't small stuff though, in that case warn then fire 'em if it happens again.)

I can kind of see your point. I'm the News Director and Network Admin for a radio farm. My boss' wife is always breathing down my neck, trying to get me to run news stories about her clients (She told me to call McDonalds and ask how their fruit parfaits were selling, and told me to mention how fun Holiday World would be on my weather forecast).

Pisses me off to no damned end. I have to have meetings everyday.

Another example, she yells at me for running a story about a girl who pulls her sister out of her bed when it catches on fire. Freaking CNN does a story on it, but she wants me to run an interview with one of her clients instead. She says that 40 miles away isn't local. It's a freaking girl on fire.

Anyway, now that my rant is over, my productivity *is* down because of this constant monitoring. Before it? The news was getting way better.

 

bugsysiegel

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happened almost a year ago, last august 20th, my company fired some people, gave others days off for sending "innapropriate" emails. Of course, they only messed with plant people, office people are untouchable, and continue to send stuff in email that is the same as what other people were fired for.
 

MrCodeDude

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I don't think my dad's connection is monitored.. Mainly because of all the stupid emails he sends out, some with innapropriate pictures (not porn, just ones that might be offensive to people) and that seems like all he does :D When I went to "Go to work with your parent day," there were only 7 people in his 3 story building :) The buildings connect to this one huge building where all the corporate people are, and then there are smaller buildings for specific jobs.. But I mean, 7 people, my dad shared a story with one of his friends and they had like 10 computers on a T3 network just for that building :)
-- mrcodedude
 

NesuD

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Had a plant manager who constantly sent my supervisor porn. some of the funnier stuff i had my supervisor forward to my home email and saved it for future leverage should i ever need it.;) Funny thing there was the IT manager could basically tell his boss the Plant manager to go fsck himself and get away with it. I think the IT manager had copies of all those emails and owned the guy. Gotta love office politics. IT Department always had anything it wanted.
 

Booster

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That's why it's better to have an IT manager as your friend. Or at least not have him as an enemy.
 

Stallion

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Porn is a big no-no here. But they have to catch you in the act. Just because it's on your drive doesn't mean you looked at it. Most every PC here is accesable to everyone so if you leave you PC "on" and go to the bathroom anyone walking by can jump on and start looking at what ever. I leave mine on instaed of locking it out when I leave as i don't care. I have a bad attitude.

One guy got caught with 40 hours (in a months time) worth of porn loaded on his PC. He was told next time he would get a day off. Pathetic..

As soon as you log onto the PC it gives a warning saying that the comp is for buisness related useage yada yada yada and you could be terminated for inapropriate use. It is hard to enforce it though. Most of the real obvious sites are blocked but there are still tons out there to "look" at.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: ErmanC
Originally posted by: AmusedOne

But my position would be this: I don't pay you to surf the net, therefore any net surfing not directly related to work would be 100% prohibited. Just as personal phone calls are banned or severely restricted in most places, so should personal internet surfing.

I wouldn't have a problem if you did it on your time with my equipment so long as you didn't abused my bandwidth. But then, someone would and I'd be forced to cut everyone off.


Bulls#$t. Who wants to work in that atmosphere? You don't need employees, you need machines. A good manager picks people they can trust, tells them what's expected, and then trusts them to do what is right. If you're always breathing down their necks over productivity you're just gonna piss them off and get less out of them than they would otherwise deliver on their own. Put out or get out is my motto and forget the small stuff like surfing the net and talking on the phone occaisionally. (Porn ain't small stuff though, in that case warn then fire 'em if it happens again.)

You've never owned a business, have you? In my experience, without hard and fast rules, the employees ignore the customers or their job and goof off. Even the acceptable ones will quickly go down hill if they are not kept in line. Making rules about personal phone calls and internet usage is not breathing down their necks. It's setting boundries on behavior.