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2 Year old accidentally shoots his mother to death :(

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zinfamous said:
thanks. :thumbsup:

this is the kind of resource that I was looking for. I like info such as this:



I suspected the 2 million number mentioned by the FBI included all "job-related" incidents; not that they didn't hide the inference very well.

The salient point in these kind of arguments--well, as gun-rights advocates tend to point out--is that related to "civilian home defense." Or "civilian personal protection."

I don't think 162,000 is an insignificant number across the entire population--but also at 0.5% of the sample size (and the entire population of then 306million), using numbers reported by the FBI seems....intellectually dishonest. It does a disservice to the argument, if you ask me.
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You're quoting the wrong number if you want to go against the FBI numbers...that was only where they believed someone "almost certainly would have been killed" if they "had not used a gun for protection."

A better comparison would be, from the same study...

A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 3.5% of households had members who had used a gun "for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 1,029,615 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."
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So, over 1 million per year...still lower than the other number but even more significant.
 
eits said:
i was talking about people needing guns that have no safety and having them be sold in this country.
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Did you not read the explanations? THERE IS A SAFETY. Glock (and MANY other manufacturers) have stepped away from the "traditional" safety system but that does not mean there is no safety..
 
DCal430 said:
While I agree this Tray Baily needs to be charged with some crime, this story only brings to the light the FACT that a gun in own home is more likely to be used to shoot and kill one of your own loved ones than an intruder or attacker.
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Well as you said about chinese persecution of its own citizens we shouldn't rush to judgment. It might have been self defense.
 
coxmaster said:
Did you not read the explanations? THERE IS A SAFETY. Glock (and MANY other manufacturers) have stepped away from the "traditional" safety system but that does not mean there is no safety..
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... there is effectively no safety. that's almost like saying that you have a security system to your house with no doors and windows and the security system is a note up that says "i will not be around for a very long time. the house is completely unprotected. please don't steal anything".
 
eits said:
... there is effectively no safety. that's almost like saying that you have a security system to your house with no doors and windows and the security system is a note up that says "i will not be around for a very long time. the house is completely unprotected. please don't steal anything".
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So the fuck what?
 
eits said:
... there is effectively no safety. that's almost like saying that you have a security system to your house with no doors and windows and the security system is a note up that says "i will not be around for a very long time. the house is completely unprotected. please don't steal anything".
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there is a safety though. In fact, there are 3 safeties.

http://www.glock.com/english/pistols_adv01.htm

If the gun went off and killed someone, it had to have been pointed and the trigger had to be pulled exactly correct for all 3 safeties to disengage and fire the weapon. I don't know if a two your old would have been able to grip the gun and reach the trigger enough to disengage the trigger safety, but I could be wrong. Anyone with a Glock knows the trigger reach is awfully long, longer than most 2yr olds hands I know. Blame lies on the father either way.
 
nick1985 said:
So the fuck what?
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yup, humans are infallible, even adults. you're absolutely right. everyone maintains sanity throughout life and never do stupid things... especially with machines designed to kill other humans.

we should totally chance the death of innocent people against the unrealistic risk of you becoming john mcclane.
 
I haven't read all the posts here...but put me down as another who ain't buying that the little kid shot his mother.

If it was a glock, looks to me like it would have had to have somebody slid the rack to load a round AND cock it. Glock's aren't real DA, can't just pull the triger and cock it.

I doubt the kid has the dexterity and strength to do this too.

I've never seen a mother who was comfortable with loaded guns around their babies. If the kid was in front of her and could see the gun, so could the mother.

Too much doesn't add up, I say the guy shot her and is blaiming the kid. He may get away with it.

Fern
 
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Story is evolving. Now the father's saying he tried to grab the gun after the son picked it up and that's when it discharged.
911 tape
I imagine their BS meter is going off with this guy.
 
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1st degree murder for the kid!
 
eits said:
... there is effectively no safety. that's almost like saying that you have a security system to your house with no doors and windows and the security system is a note up that says "i will not be around for a very long time. the house is completely unprotected. please don't steal anything".
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that's like what the UK does with their squatters...

it's legal and shit

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