2 Year old accidentally shoots his mother to death :(

[JulesMaximus]

Ah, ATOT...you never fail to entertain.

 

[CLite]

There is now some evidence that the father was trying to take the gun away from the child and it went off.

Back on subject, wouldn't that evidence be the same as if the father purposely held the child's hand to pull the trigger while the gun was pointed at the mother?

I imagine this case will come down to a lot of background investigation into their relationship.

 

[TheVrolok]

Back on subject, wouldn't that evidence be the same as if the father purposely held the child's hand to pull the trigger while the gun was pointed at the mother?

I imagine this case will come down to a lot of background investigation into their relationship.

Don't know what will come of it.

Local news: http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21004147063410/

 

[soulcougher73]

This shit is why we need to ban gun. Too many times children are able to get to these things, and it always ends in tragedy.

Can we ban stupid too while we're at it? The gun is not at fault here. The owner of the gun is for leaving it unattended and loaded around a child.

The gun could of easily have been a knife as well. Should we ban cutlery also?

 

[LTC8K6]

Don't know what will come of it.

Local news: http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/21004147063410/

It's been drummed into people's heads that a Glock is safe to carry with a round in the chamber, so they carry it that way all the time, even in situations where it's highly unlikely that the gun will even be necessary, let alone kept immediately ready to fire.

A classic example of why it's really not safe, imo.

I prefer guns with an active and positive safety, rather than a passive safety system.

These days, when someone shoots themselves, the first thing people think is "Glock". There's even a term for it. "Glock Leg"

 

[MotF Bane]

Goddamn not this shit again.

 

[Numenorean]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8471268/Two-year-old-boy-shoots-dead-his-mother.html



This shit is why we need to ban gun. Too many times children are able to get to these things, and it always ends in tragedy.

No, this is why idiots shouldn't have them.

 

[BoberFett]

OP is an old troll's new account.

Fixed

 

[sourceninja]

Just to play devil's advocate- a gun's sole design purpose is to kill. Everything else listed has been designed to perform a function other than killing, but could be lethal if misused.

Discuss.

I have 3 guns that are designed for the function of competition shooting. It could be used for other functions such as killing, but that is not it's primary function. Discuss.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

2 year old can pull trigger??

and gun wasn't safetied?

prosecute owner of the gun for criminal negligence causing death.

glock has only passive safeties, nothing to actively safety the gun.


it is the moms fault for leaving it within reach of the kid.

 

[sonicdrummer20]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8471268/Two-year-old-boy-shoots-dead-his-mother.html



This shit is why we need to ban gun. Too many times children are able to get to these things, and it always ends in tragedy.

Why not ban children?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I'm actually curious if this is true or not. I don't think, from what I've read, that any ATOTer has actually ever fired a gun for home defense purposes. You don't read nearly as many stories about such cases as you do about these kind of shootings.

It could all be what the "evil commie-lovin librul' freedom-hatin'" media chooses to report, sure, but my exposure certainly lends me to think that accidents in home (or death by cop) are more common than legit home defense needs.

That would be because the people that are involved in self defense shootings don't go around spouting off on how awesome it was for them to shoot someone. In most places, they are going through legal hell and have been told by lawyers not to say anything to anyone about it.

But judging by your view, then there must not be any gang related murder because no one on forums is talking about doing drive bys and killing people for fun.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Why not ban children?

what the hell kind of behemoth hands does that mom have to need a grip extension for a glock 17? Good lord.

edit: sorry i was quoting the news article, didn't realize you didn't post it

 

[Scotteq]

glock has only passive safeties, nothing to actively safety the gun.


it is the

Spoiler

moms

Father's fault for leaving it within reach of the kid.

Corrected - It was dad's weapon.

...and some of the side articles are expressing doubt as to dad's story.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

It's been drummed into people's heads that a Glock is safe to carry with a round in the chamber, so they carry it that way all the time, even in situations where it's highly unlikely that the gun will even be necessary, let alone kept immediately ready to fire.

A classic example of why it's really not safe, imo.

I prefer guns with an active and positive safety, rather than a passive safety system.

These days, when someone shoots themselves, the first thing people think is "Glock". There's even a term for it. "Glock Leg"

Glocks are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the chamber. The problem is pulling thetrigger causes them to go off.
The make and model of gun here doesn't matter. What matters is a guy left a gun where a child could get to it.

I'm still finding it hard to believe that a 2 year old could pick up a gun and hold it in a way that he could shoot his mom high enough to kill her. Glocks while not heavy to us, are heavy to a little kid. Pulling the trigger would require pretty long fingers as a toddler couldn't hold the gun and reach the trigger. If he held the gun one handed, I don't see him as having enough strength to hold it up.

Dad killed the mom and blamed the kid. Nothing will happen legally to the kid. Going this route, Dad will get a slap on the wrist comparitively to going up on murder charges.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Corrected - It was dad's weapon.

...and some of the side articles are expressing doubt as to dad's story.

i didnt even read it so thanks lol

 

[pcguru78]

Dad killed the mom and blamed the kid. Nothing will happen legally to the kid. Going this route, Dad will get a slap on the wrist comparitively to going up on murder charges.

This...

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Glocks are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the chamber. The problem is pulling thetrigger causes them to go off.
The make and model of gun here doesn't matter. What matters is a guy left a gun where a child could get to it.

I'm still finding it hard to believe that a 2 year old could pick up a gun and hold it in a way that he could shoot his mom high enough to kill her. Glocks while not heavy to us, are heavy to a little kid. Pulling the trigger would require pretty long fingers as a toddler couldn't hold the gun and reach the trigger. If he held the gun one handed, I don't see him as having enough strength to hold it up.

Dad killed the mom and blamed the kid. Nothing will happen legally to the kid. Going this route, Dad will get a slap on the wrist comparitively to going up on murder charges.

forensics should be able to prove/disprove all this

 

[Numenorean]

This...

Not if they swab the kid and there isn't residue on his hands then the story is false.

They also would swab the male's hands. Unless he used gloves, long sleeves and forced the kid to hold the gun at the same time as he shot it, then it would be on him also.

 

[zinfamous]

He's right.. They're Austrian. Though country of origin makes little difference tbh

not debating that. just that the refutation seems to ignore the topic at hand, completely.

but then I noticed that eits was indeed replying to details regarding the Glock. so, yeah, I guess it stands.

 

[AMDZen]

This shit is why we need to ban gun. Too many times children are able to get to these things, and it always ends in tragedy.

You're an idiot

 

[zinfamous]

If you wants statistics and cliffs for a ton of gun related topics...

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

thanks. :thumbsup:

this is the kind of resource that I was looking for. I like info such as this:

A 1993 nationwide survey of 4,977 households found that over the previous five years, at least 0.5% of households had members who had used a gun for defense during a situation in which they thought someone "almost certainly would have been killed" if they "had not used a gun for protection." Applied to the U.S. population, this amounts to 162,000 such incidents per year. This figure excludes all "military service, police work, or work as a security guard."[12]

I suspected the 2 million number mentioned by the FBI included all "job-related" incidents; not that they didn't hide the inference very well.

The salient point in these kind of arguments--well, as gun-rights advocates tend to point out--is that related to "civilian home defense." Or "civilian personal protection."

I don't think 162,000 is an insignificant number across the entire population--but also at 0.5% of the sample size (and the entire population of then 306million), using numbers reported by the FBI seems....intellectually dishonest. It does a disservice to the argument, if you ask me.

 

[zinfamous]

Glocks are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the chamber. The problem is pulling thetrigger causes them to go off.
The make and model of gun here doesn't matter. What matters is a guy left a gun where a child could get to it.

I'm still finding it hard to believe that a 2 year old could pick up a gun and hold it in a way that he could shoot his mom high enough to kill her. Glocks while not heavy to us, are heavy to a little kid. Pulling the trigger would require pretty long fingers as a toddler couldn't hold the gun and reach the trigger. If he held the gun one handed, I don't see him as having enough strength to hold it up.

Dad killed the mom and blamed the kid. Nothing will happen legally to the kid. Going this route, Dad will get a slap on the wrist comparitively to going up on murder charges.

It was also a single shot that killed her....that's one seriously skilled--or "lucky"--2 year old.

 

[Redfraggle]

Haha left the gun unattended when he visited his ex... sure he probably told the kid to shoot mommy with the 'toy' gun.

This


The owner of the firearm has exactly ZERO business leaving it where a small child could access it.

Does it need to be said again? Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I've yet to read a single (real) news story that starts out with a headline: Smith and Wesson goes on rampage, killing 14. There's always a person holding that gun.

While tragic, this is the consequence of being an irresponsible idiot and leaving a loaded gun within reach of a 2yr old, and also not teaching said 2 yr old to not point guns at people (even in play).

 

[Bateluer]

Not if they swab the kid and there isn't residue on his hands then the story is false.

They also would swab the male's hands. Unless he used gloves, long sleeves and forced the kid to hold the gun at the same time as he shot it, then it would be on him also.

I have an easier method. Is there a dent on the kids face or chest from the recoil of the weapon?