2 Year old accidentally shoots his mother to death :(

[HAL9000]

OK everyone knows that I'm thinking, consider this me making that point, please don't derail the thread based on it. I cba to go 20 rounds of why people should be allowed to have guns.

 

[CLite]

A handgun's single purpose is to kill other human beings. Whether that is for self-defense or other noble arguments it is only meant to kill humans. Shotguns/Rifles/Knives and many other potential instruments of death serve other purposes. Anyone who brought up electricity in this thread is a complete moron.

However, it's far too late to ban handguns since hundreds of thousands of them are out there and at this point banning clearly hinders legal citizens far more than criminals. If there was a way to instantly vaporize all handguns in existance I would support it, but it's totally unrealistic.

 

[coxmaster]

OK everyone knows that I'm thinking, consider this me making that point, please don't derail the thread based on it.

Why in the hell did you post then? Honestly I have no problem with most of your posts but you post shit like this that is just stupid.

.. Heey guys! Look at me. I dont agree with this, but I wont want to post, so I posted this anyway!

 

[HAL9000]

A handgun's single purpose is to kill other human beings. Whether that is for self-defense or other noble arguments it is only meant to kill humans. Shotguns/Rifles/Knives and many other potential instruments of death serve other purposes. Anyone who brought up electricity in this thread is a complete moron.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

 

[Vic Vega]

the pro-gun movement is nascent (~3 decades only) enough and vocal enough that I doubt this is the case. There are certainly media outlets out there that have enough vested interest to publish these stories that I find it hard to believe that they are simply unreported, due to an "evil conspiracy in the media" that wants to silence such issues.

any argument that points to "conspiracy against __x__" is obvious bullshit. I would hope you guys understand this...

The FBI says 2,000,000 people a year defend themselves with a gun.

Yes, I believe the stories are intentionally unreported because it does not fit the agenda of the news companies. I believe their agenda is to portray people as helpless. The reasoning for their agenda is debatable however.

 

[Vic Vega]

Why in the hell did you post then? Honestly I have no problem with most of your posts but you post shit like this that is just stupid.

.. Heey guys! Look at me. I dont agree with this, but I wont want to post, so I posted this anyway!

He's a clown, ignore him. 🙂

He's trying to derail, don't let him. Ignore him. I do. 🙂

 

[HAL9000]

Why in the hell did you post then? Honestly I have no problem with most of your posts but you post shit like this that is just stupid.

.. Heey guys! Look at me. I dont agree with this, but I wont want to post, so I posted this anyway!

Because I want to be able to offer my viewpoint with regards to the OP without hundereds of morons attacking me then claiming that I derailed the thread.

 

[eits]

Haha left the gun unattended when he visited his ex... sure he probably told the kid to shoot mommy with the 'toy' gun.

i thought the same thing hehe

either way, if the kid grabbed car keys and went to drive his dad's car and killed someone, is that negligent homicide?

why did the guy need a loaded gun to see his ex in the first place?

 

[coxmaster]

why did the guy need a loaded gun to see his ex in the first place?

Lots of people carry a loaded gun everywhere everyday..

 

[eits]

A handgun's single purpose is to kill other human beings. Whether that is for self-defense or other noble arguments it is only meant to kill humans. Shotguns/Rifles/Knives and many other potential instruments of death serve other purposes. Anyone who brought up electricity in this thread is a complete moron.

However, it's far too late to ban handguns since hundreds of thousands of them are out there and at this point banning clearly hinders legal citizens far more than criminals. If there was a way to instantly vaporize all handguns in existance I would support it, but it's totally unrealistic.

yup

 

[eits]

Lots of people carry a loaded gun everywhere everyday..

like i give a fuck? why was it out?

i'd ask the same question if he brought a 10" dildo and a clown nose. it's a bizarre thing to place out in the open.

 

[Paladin3]

American Rifleman magazine publishes an Armed Citizen section every month.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/blogs/the-armed-citizen-april-2011/

You can find a lots of other reports of firearms used in self-defense if you use your Google Fu.

http://www.streetpro.com/usp/stories.html

 

[HAL9000]

i'd ask the same question if he brought a 10" dildo and a clown nose. it's a bizarre thing to place out in the open.

I laughed. 😀

 

[GundamW]

That would be my first guess. Too much shit doesn't add up. He's the ex-boyfriend, but comfortable enough in her house that he put the gun down with a round in the chamber? Where the 2-year-old could get it? The child had sufficient strength and dexterity to discharge the weapon when a Glock has that heavy-ass trigger pull? And got a one-shot kill on Mom? And all this happened while the guy watched, but he was unable to stop it?

Sounds fishy.

Yeah. I don't buy that either.

For those who have kids and/or a 9mm Glock, can a 2 year old really do all these?

 

[BladeVenom]

They should ban dogs too.

And bath tubs.

And cars.

And about a million other things that cause people to die.

They should ban you too...

Don't forget Dihydrogen Monoxide. It's the leading cause of death for small children.

 

[GundamW]

Lots of people carry a loaded gun everywhere everyday..

With safety off?

 

[Vette73]

Yeah. I don't buy that either.

For those who have kids and/or a 9mm Glock, can a 2 year old really do all these?

I read the full story now and it seems the police did test the kid for gun residue. So could be the police believe the guy or know he is full of BS but is not saying yet.

My 2 year old could pull the trigger. But I don;t think he could hold it, aim well, and pull the trigger.

 

[sdifox]

You don't have kids do you?

My 2 year old is 3ft tall and over 30pounds and is plenty strong.

But something still does not add up. The gun owner should be charged IMO. I am far from a gun nut but way to many times people that own guns and do not take care of them don't get charged and it makes all the good gun owners look bad. This was a owner issue, not a gun issue.

I have a seven year old son, but we don't got guns. I have handled guns before albeit not a Glock.

I don't remember how strong he was at two. I do remember guns being heavy and the triggers are not exactly light.

I don't care about gun control that much. I do care about responsible ownership. That is why I suggested criminal negligence causing death as the charge.

 

[CLite]

With safety off?

The glock's safety is an extra lever built into the trigger. The trigger is 3-pronged with the 1 prong sticking out extra far (the safety) and the main trigger being the other 2-prongs.

It essentially has no safety and is meant to kill other human's as fast as possible from draw.

 

[eits]

They should ban dogs too.

And bath tubs.

And cars.

And about a million other things that cause people to die.

They should ban you too...

because those are all things designed specifically to easily kill humans...

 

[eits]

The glock's safety is an extra lever built into the trigger. The trigger is 3-pronged with the 1 prong sticking out extra far (the safety) and the main trigger being the other 2-prongs.

It essentially has no safety and is meant to kill other human's as fast as possible from draw.

lolol wow... wtf is wrong with this country...

 

[Kelvrick]

With safety off?

Yes, their fingers are outside the trigger guard.

 

[zinfamous]

So you're saying that whenever this happens, we need to post the story on atot? Two minutes on google will give you plenty of results.

no, I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying that this assumption that "the media" is involved in some conspiracy to hide such stories flies in the face of the reality that there is a very vocal and very powerful media presence that wants these stories to get out. The fact that you still don't see as many stories rejects this assumption of conspiracy.

as far as ATOT goes, I see the same arguments over and over, and the same claims that "I've never had to use it, and I hope I never will," etc. This is a single data point. A statistical sample, if you will. A representation of reality, but certainly not the full story. I do not suggest that it was anything but.

I am not anti-gun. I tend to to work as Devil's advocate in these threads, simply because I'd rather you guys start considering arguments, maybe try to approach a new perspective, rather than engage in the same useless circle-jerk arguments that don't go anywhere. :\


"There are plenty of studies out there that say...."

Oh? I haven't gone into every gun thread, sure, but where are these studies? I see everyone supporting each other with this same argument, but no one pointing to studies.

 

[Aharami]

OP is an authoritatian liberal.

no, OP is a nutjob

 

[coxmaster]

With safety off?

As covered multiple times.. Glock's and many MANY other sub/compact handguns don't have "safety" in the sense most people think..