it has nothing to do with that; ati doesn't allow them to deviate much, and then only in specific ways. rather like the 6800u, which are all built by one place to the same spec; all boardmakers (acutally that's inaccurate cause they don't make the ultras) can do is bump the core some.. all ultras have ref coolers - cause that's all nvidia allows.
Rollo
they didn't need any better cooling...
i agree, the OTES is a great idea, however the 5900's required the more elaborate cooling. while certainly there was some coolness factor, it was born more out of necessity than creativity.
or you could look at it as ati's desing was so much more efficient than nv's that they simply didn't require, large, bulky, loud cooling designs.
again, it has little to with "imagination".
rollo, i just don't get it.. you've previoulsy had some very good stuff to add to discussions, but lately it seems all your time is spent tossing digs towards ati at every opportunity. you've always been outspoken, but often quite funny with logical points, but man.. you gotta get off this this path you've been on lately.. it just comes across like some sort of vendetta or something..
they didn't need any better cooling...
i agree, the OTES is a great idea, however the 5900's required the more elaborate cooling. while certainly there was some coolness factor, it was born more out of necessity than creativity.
or you could look at it as ati's desing was so much more efficient than nv's that they simply didn't require, large, bulky, loud cooling designs.
again, it has little to with "imagination".
rollo, i just don't get it.. you've previoulsy had some very good stuff to add to discussions, but lately it seems all your time is spent tossing digs towards ati at every opportunity. you've always been outspoken, but often quite funny with logical points, but man.. you gotta get off this this path you've been on lately.. it just comes across like some sort of vendetta or something..
yhelothar
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you base that on what? The fact is that my 5900 runs easily at 90C stabily, and my 9800 crashes at 70C.
My 5900 EASILY survives with my case at 44C in the hot summer, even when it's volt modded using the 5950 bios mod
The 9800 crashes AT STOCK in the case of 44C...
That proves that 9800's fan is too weak, and nvidia went above and beyond on their cooler, and not that 9800pro uses such a small fan because it didn't need anything bigger, because apparently it did.
Passively cooled, very very nice! Hope they make a gt with passive cooling. :thumbsup:
edit: oops read the thread and see it is a le. So what is an le?
Is the problem these days, too many models and hard to keep track of. Saffire had something like 20 models of ATI cards on one site I was looking at. Still a passive stock solution is good.
edit: oops read the thread and see it is a le. So what is an le?
Is the problem these days, too many models and hard to keep track of. Saffire had something like 20 models of ATI cards on one site I was looking at. Still a passive stock solution is good.
it proves nothing, other then perhaps something was wrong with yours. what was your gpu temp? hmm.. no clue? imagine that.... i had no such problems at those temps, nor did i really hear any other complaints... does that mean no one had any issues whatsoever? hardly.... mine ran fine @ xt clocks, and when i tried out an nv silence i even got 10mhz more out of the gpu, but stock hsf was certainly good enuff for stock speeds (and even xt speeds on my card).
i also have issues with stock cooling on my GT (and i'm hardly the only one that doesnt like the new bfg cooler), but does that mean they're all as bad as mine? nope, some ppl get along just fine with theirs.
i just find it funny that someone posts a link to a couple of different (and interesting) nv40 configurations, and somehow the thread turns into an ati bashing thread - and last gen's hardware to boot..
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yeah I just felt like trolling
But really, the people that says nvidia has a hot and power hungry design pisses me off, because nvidia went above and beyond to put a nice cooler on there, and they get bashed for it.
I know because my 9800Pro was FAR less resistant to my hot case temps in so. cali weather than my 5900.
When was it a nice cooler?
Are u talking about Gigabytes cooler, or the stock cooler?
Its a shame Hercules stopped selling they are the only ones who used to put cool coolers on ATi cards, like LEDs and stuff.
But at least we have HIS and Sapphire, the Artic Coolers look sweet, and they are soooo quiet and vent the heat OUTSIDE the case!
point taken, but there are exceptions - just look at HIS' coolers (incl last gen).
of all the nv partners, leadtek is the only deiviant i am aware of.
i don't know the specific deals leadtek have with the nv (or ati regarding HIS) . but back to ati's partners having "lack of imagination", the complaints regarding ati's stringent "control" by some ihv's is farily well documented (i even seem to remember at least on ihv leaving ati because they weren't allowed to differntiate themselves from all the other ati board partners), and a similar situation regarding nv has been written about some, including this article:
In the past, NVIDIA has provided strict guidelines on clock speeds that board partners such as Gigabyte must adhere to. NVIDIA wanted to ensure a consistent level of quality on their high-end boards, regardless of manufacturer. This is also why they decided to take over production of these cards. For GeForce 6800 however, this appears to have changed, as multiple board partners have announced GeForce 6800, 6800 GT, and 6800 Ultra cards that run at clock speeds that are higher than the stock, reference clocks for the graphics core and memory. Gigabyte clocks their GV-N68U256D graphics core at 425MHz by default. This is an improvement of 25MHz, improving fill rate from 6.4Gigatexels/second to 6.8Gigatexels/second. Memory frequency remains at 550MHz (1.1GHz effective), the same speed as a stock GeForce 6800 Ultra."
while it's certainly a possbility statements such as this may be erroneous, this is not the first source i've read similar statements, and i certianly don't presume to have better inside info than they do. it seems tho while ati is strict down to the cooling, nvidia does allow some deviation regarding cooling, which would explain why we see more differentiation regarding the nv parts.
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Yeah I just felt like trolling
But really, the people that says nvidia has a hot and power hungry design pisses me off, because nvidia went above and beyond to put a nice cooler on there, and they get bashed for it.
I know because my 9800Pro was FAR less resistant to my hot case temps in so. cali weather than my 5900.
The HSF on the R9700/9800 series was by far their weakest point, they were as cheap/generic as you can get.
I liked the multi fan approach of the Gainward/Albatron/Leadtek 5900s, loved the OTES on the Abit 5900.
Except for the recent Zalman and IceQ equipped boards, ATI GPUs have always had smaller, cheesier fans. Usually because they ran cooler, but that won't fly for the OC crowd.
Anyway, it would be more interesting if ATI OEMs were more imaginative is all I'm trying to say.
Someone who is serious about OCing would probably get a new HSF. The new ATI heatsinks look better than the nVidia reference, not to mention they are fairly quiet compared.
reallyscrued
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wuts diff between ddr and regular GDDR? i have that evga 6800, i didnt know i was getting special memory.
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