2 suspended for not indulging young peoples sense of entitlement for a free lunch

[nehalem256]

So it's better to throw away the lunch than to let the kids eat it?

That's a weird kind of a "we had to destroy the village in order to save it" type of logic.

Lets say I walk into the local convenience store. I pull a hot dog off the warmer and put in a bun. I then pile on my preferred toppings.

I then go to check out but it turns out I didnt bring any money. Do you think I would be allowed to keep it for free?

Seems like the kids got a a valuable life lesson. If you want something you have to pay for it.

 

[Geosurface]

Well, at least you can admit farmers can have a high IQ

Of course. Which isn't to say that all of them are.

My maternal grandmother was actually a teacher in addition to being a farmer, though.

But I have to wonder what you consider a high IQ, and what you consider a productive member of society?

If I were pressed for a number I guess I might say 110 or higher. A society can manage with an average as low as 90, probably. The higher the average for a society, the better it will function.

As for a productive member of society? Someone who works, doesn't suck up a lot of social safety net tax dollars, and reproduces in a way which takes notice of finances, societal conditions, and genetics - such as the parents' IQs, history of family defects and disorders, etc.

Of course, only people with a high IQ can be expected to reproduce so responsibly, and they're exactly the ones we need more children from, not less. Conversely, those we need the fewest or zero from will never give any thought to any of these considerations. Which means that long term the society will collapse unless measures are taken to impose limits.

What do you consider a stable situation to raise a child

I consider it an environment where the parents have an education, an income, and are free of substance or gambling addictions, aren't abusive to one another, etc. That's the ideal situation.

why haven't you achieved it yet?

I've achieved it. We have a plan, but we're waiting a few more years yet. Saving more first. Could do it now, but better to be too prepared than not prepared enough.

 

[stlc8tr]

Lets say I walk into the local convenience store. I pull a hot dog off the warmer and put in a bun. I then pile on my preferred toppings.

I then go to check out but it turns out I didnt bring any money. Do you think I would be allowed to keep it for free?

Seems like the kids got a a valuable life lesson. If you want something you have to pay for it.

Gotcha. It's more valuable in your world to "teach" an elementary schooler a "life lesson" and to waste perfectly good food than to feed the kid and take care of the mix-up in accounting (since some parents never got notified of the negative balance).

Thank goodness the rest of the world doesn't see things your way.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Of course. Which isn't to say that all of them are.

My maternal grandmother was actually a teacher in addition to being a farmer, though.



If I were pressed for a number I guess I might say 110 or higher. A society can manage with an average as low as 90, probably. The higher the average for a society, the better it will function.

As for a productive member of society? Someone who works, doesn't suck up a lot of social safety net tax dollars, and reproduces in a way which takes notice of finances, societal conditions, and genetics - such as the parents' IQs, history of family defects and disorders, etc.

Of course, only people with a high IQ can be expected to reproduce so responsibly, and they're exactly the ones we need more children from, not less. Conversely, those we need the fewest or zero from will never give any thought to any of these considerations. Which means that long term the society will collapse unless measures are taken to impose limits.



I consider it an environment where the parents have an education, an income, and are free of substance or gambling addictions, aren't abusive to one another, etc. That's the ideal situation.



I've achieved it. We have a plan, but we're waiting a few more years yet. Saving more first. Could do it now, but better to be too prepared than not prepared enough.

Less then 2 years ago, you were a communist and you were raised in some wacky far far left world
It took you til your mid 30's to start to crawl out of that world and then you went full blown far right wing white supremacist
But you still think your parents did a good job with you?

Most people I know started having kids at 18 and all did a lot better job of parenting then your parents did
If you don't think your financially ready as I was when I was 18, I don't know...

 

[bshole]

Seems like the kids got a a valuable life lesson. If you want something you have to pay for it.

A lesson the rich know well for they have bought and paid for your politicians.

 

[Geosurface]

Less then 2 years ago, you were a communist and you were raised in some wacky far far left world
It took you til your mid 30's to start to crawl out of that world and then you went full blown far right wing white supremacist
But you still think your parents did a good job with you?

Most people I know started having kids at 18 and all did a lot better job of parenting then your parents did
If you don't think your financially ready as I was when I was 18, I don't know...

I know you're fond of personal jabs but my parents were middle of the road democrats not rabid leftists - that's just what I became in my late teens through mid-20's as lots of people do.

I'm not a "white supremacist" I'm a nationalist/traditionalist and still tweaking it to try to find the best balance - not throwing everything out - still pro-choice atheist for example.

I think plenty of people do a great job as young parents and I think its great to be youthful and energetic for your young kids.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I know you're fond of personal jabs but my parents were middle of the road democrats not rabid leftists - that's just what I became in my late teens through mid-20's as lots of people do.

I'm not a "white supremacist" I'm a nationalist/traditionalist and still tweaking it to try to find the best balance - not throwing everything out - still pro-choice atheist for example.

I think plenty of people do a great job as young parents and I think its great to be youthful and energetic for your young kids.

I don't think lot's of people become communists (your words) in their late teens through 20's
I think you may think that may be the case because you were/are very socially withdrawn and have no real reference
Don't type your life story out on the board and then cry about it and call it personal jabs when someone calls you on it

 

[nehalem256]

Gotcha. It's more valuable in your world to "teach" an elementary schooler a "life lesson" and to waste perfectly good food than to feed the kid and take care of the mix-up in accounting (since some parents never got notified of the negative balance).

Thank goodness the rest of the world doesn't see things your way.

(1) Per the article the child was fed fruit and milk

(2) The purpose of a school is to teach not to feed.

 

[stlc8tr]

(1) Per the article the child was fed fruit and milk

(2) The purpose of a school is to teach not to feed.

Per the article:

(1) The food was given to the child, taken away, and dumped into the trash.

 

[CitizenKain]

I'm not a "white supremacist" I'm a nationalist/traditionalist and still tweaking it to try to find the best balance - not throwing everything out - still pro-choice atheist for example.

Lets see, nationalist, supports eugenics, white supremacist. What an amazing person you are.

 

[Geosurface]

I don't think lot's of people become communists (your words) in their late teens through 20's

Once or twice I said something along the lines of "yea I'll even go further than socialist and say I'm pretty much a communist" when I was at the height of my thinking that government should take a very heavy hand in ensuring everyone's welfare. I probably said this on like, two occasions. I wasn't a member of any communist group or anything. I've mentioned it to demonstrate just how far in the other direction I was at one point, that's all. I think you've overblown it in your mind.

I think you may think that may be the case because you were/are very socially withdrawn and have no real reference
Don't type your life story out on the board and then cry about it and call it personal jabs when someone calls you on it

I haven't typed anywhere near my life story, believe me. And this is the problem, you think you're "calling me on it" but the reason I take issue is that you consistently misinterpret and get it wrong, and spit back an interpretation of things I've said which is in no way accurate. The reason for this MAY be the fact that instead of attempting to understand or discuss, you're just looking for the shortest path to the next personal insult you think you can squeeze out of anything I disclose.

Another great example, now you're saying I am/was "very socially withdrawn" - that's not accurate. I guess you've taken me saying that I'm not one for parties and don't drink and a few other little things and tried to cobble that into something which allows you to try to paint me as some reclusive, anti-social person. Not the case.

Lets see, nationalist, supports eugenics, white supremacist. What an amazing person you are.

"I'm not a white supremacist." - "So, a white supremacist then?"

I like how you're completely willing to immediately grab "nationalist" out of what I say, and instantly believe it 100% because you think it sounds bad (it isn't) and add it to your little mental list of the ways I'm really really mean and evil. Yet, within the same post you grabbed that from, I clearly stated I'm not a "white supremacist" but because that would chip away at your little list, you ignore that.

We both know that your type are absolutely desperate to attach as many of these little verbal hand grenades to someone you disagree with, as you can. As fast as you can. Whether that means instantly calling someone a misogynist the moment they say anything which diverges from the hardcore feminist agenda ever so slightly. Or whether it's calling someone a "racist" the moment they take notice of crime statistics or vote republican, or whatever.

The standard is exceptionally low for your type when it comes to trying to stamp people with these things. It's not any legitimate attempt to understand someone's positions or to have a discussion - it's just how you justify to yourself that you're the good guy, they're the bad guy, and you can safely keep on avoiding engaging with them like an adult or giving what they're saying any kind of serious look, and instead just keep hurling insults.

"Actually studies have shown the supposed pay gap between men and women is just a result of different career choices, no company has some policy of paying women less." - "SEXIST MISOGYNIST!!!!!"

"Well couldn't these 'disparate impacts' in school discipline just be because black kids are acting up more?" - "RACIST!!!!!"

"Yea what happened to this girl is awful but I will point out that getting plastered around a bunch of drunk teenage boys is not a great idea. Avoiding that kind of situation is a good way to avoid getting assaulted." - "RAPE-APOLOGIST!!!!!"

"Yea I'm not sure if I feel entirely comfortable with someone who was born male being able to use the same bathroom as little girls." - "TRANS-PHOBIC GAY BASHER!!!!"

and on, and on. The left has taught people like you very well. Don't listen, don't talk, just toss insults and rapidly disengage. It's the best way to cling to stupid, unexamined beliefs indefinitely.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Ah, Utah; the magic underwear state.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Once or twice I said something along the lines of "yea I'll even go further than socialist and say I'm pretty much a communist" when I was at the height of my thinking that government should take a very heavy hand in ensuring everyone's welfare. I probably said this on like, two occasions. I wasn't a member of any communist group or anything. I've mentioned it to demonstrate just how far in the other direction I was at one point, that's all. I think you've overblown it in your mind.



I haven't typed anywhere near my life story, believe me. And this is the problem, you think you're "calling me on it" but the reason I take issue is that you consistently misinterpret and get it wrong, and spit back an interpretation of things I've said which is in no way accurate. The reason for this MAY be the fact that instead of attempting to understand or discuss, you're just looking for the shortest path to the next personal insult you think you can squeeze out of anything I disclose.

Another great example, now you're saying I am/was "very socially withdrawn" - that's not accurate. I guess you've taken me saying that I'm not one for parties and don't drink and a few other little things and tried to cobble that into something which allows you to try to paint me as some reclusive, anti-social person. Not the case.



"I'm not a white supremacist." - "So, a white supremacist then?"

I like how you're completely willing to immediately grab "nationalist" out of what I say, and instantly believe it 100% because you think it sounds bad (it isn't) and add it to your little mental list of the ways I'm really really mean and evil. Yet, within the same post you grabbed that from, I clearly stated I'm not a "white supremacist" but because that would chip away at your little list, you ignore that.

We both know that your type are absolutely desperate to attach as many of these little verbal hand grenades to someone you disagree with, as you can. As fast as you can. Whether that means instantly calling someone a misogynist the moment they say anything which diverges from the hardcore feminist agenda ever so slightly. Or whether it's calling someone a "racist" the moment they take notice of crime statistics or vote republican, or whatever.

The standard is exceptionally low for your type when it comes to trying to stamp people with these things. It's not any legitimate attempt to understand someone's positions or to have a discussion - it's just how you justify to yourself that you're the good guy, they're the bad guy, and you can safely keep on avoiding engaging with them like an adult or giving what they're saying any kind of serious look, and instead just keep hurling insults.

"Actually studies have shown the supposed pay gap between men and women is just a result of different career choices, no company has some policy of paying women less." - "SEXIST MISOGYNIST!!!!!"

"Well couldn't these 'disparate impacts' in school discipline just be because black kids are acting up more?" - "RACIST!!!!!"

"Yea what happened to this girl is awful but I will point out that getting plastered around a bunch of drunk teenage boys is not a great idea. Avoiding that kind of situation is a good way to avoid getting assaulted." - "RAPE-APOLOGIST!!!!!"

"Yea I'm not sure if I feel entirely comfortable with someone who was born male being able to use the same bathroom as little girls." - "TRANS-PHOBIC GAY BASHER!!!!"

and on, and on. The left has taught people like you very well. Don't listen, don't talk, just toss insults and rapidly disengage. It's the best way to cling to stupid, unexamined beliefs indefinitely.

You were very far left up until the Zimmerman trial, your words, you didn't just have some teenage angst to get out of your system. You're in your mid thirties right?
You basically did a complete 360 mental shift within a very short time period.
That's not normal, and odds that you have your shit together now while taking about sterilizing people you consider unfit for your society is not normal, even if you can find lots of people who agree with it on the Internet
I think you should talk to your doctor about these things and see what he thinks, it can't hurt right?

If I was your real life buddy I would say the same thing

Edit- also no, I don't take one of your comments "I don't drink" and use that to form an opinion? That's not how it works in real life.
You said you were 15 and moderating some very popular message boards, when I brought that up, you denied it. If I go find your quote, will you go see a shrink?
It's been taking hundreds of your comments and putting them together.

 

[glenn1]

Per the article:

(1) The food was given to the child, taken away, and dumped into the trash.

Yes, the proper solution was to never allow the child to have the food in the first place but that's moot now. To avoid food being thrown in the trash next time, suspend the child if they go through the food line again until the account balance is paid since there is no question that they know money is owed. No more excuses for "we didn't know" and no more wasted food.

 

[Geosurface]

It's been taking hundreds of your comments and putting them together.

And I'm the one who needs to see a shrink?

You're obsessing over me and you're pulling a Moonbeam with your "if you disagree with my worldview, that means you're dangerously unhinged and mentally unstable" - drop that nonsense.

I didn't deny anything about formerly being a board moderator, I tried to correct you on the exact time period that was during. It wasn't when I was 15, and if you took that away from what I said I either misspoke or you misread.

I frankly don't care at all which one it was, because it has become more than abundantly clear that any sort of attempt to use my own personal experiences as a reference point for why I believe something or view something a certain way, is just seen by you and a few other weirdo, stalkerish thought police types (Whiskey16 comes to mind) as an opportunity to add another little tidbit to your catalog, so you can try to find some pattern which can later be used in what really amounts to no more than "you're dumb lol"

You dress it up as "oh I'm really concerned about you and honestly there are some really worrying things here" but that is all horse shit. It is what you believe to be a better way to get under my skin and to poison the well for anyone else reading what I have to say.

I have zero respect for this weird, obsessive way that some of your type latch onto anyone you believe to be "divergent" from the narrow band of progressivism that you deem to be acceptable thought, and cease dealing with them as another poster, but instead try to convert them into some boogeyman who is completely defined by the reputation you've carefully worked to construct for them.

But I'm not trying to psycho-analyze you in the way that you're feigning toward me, I don't think you're crazy I just think you're a douche bag. And in light of that, I don't intend to feed into it any further.

 

[nehalem256]

Per the article:

(1) The food was given to the child, taken away, and dumped into the trash.

But the following day, students who still had negative balances had their lunches taken back and were given a piece of fruit and milk, Olsen said

 

[Zaap]

If I go find your quote, will you go see a shrink?
It's been taking hundreds of your comments and putting them together.

Seriously, this is taking being an asshole to a whole new level.

Also one of the most ridiculous displays of an obviously disturbed mind, in some wacky attempt to paint someone else as disturbed that I've seen in a long time. (Which is really saying something around this nuthouse.) Seek some help, and beyond that, seek obsessed-mean-spirited-prick counseling.


__________

Sheesh, anyway, as to the subject: ridiculous way to handle a situation, obviously.

 

[Orignal Earl]

And I'm the one who needs to see a shrink?

Yes, you and Incor and Zapp seem to think that if someone remembers what you have posted, then has the gall to reply to your posts. They must be obsessed about you, they are stalking you.
This is a part of your paranoia and further proof of your anti social behavior

 

[Orignal Earl]

Seriously, this is taking being an asshole to a whole new level.

Also one of the most ridiculous displays of an obviously disturbed mind, in some wacky attempt to paint someone else as disturbed that I've seen in a long time. (Which is really saying something around this nuthouse.) Seek some help, and beyond that, seek obsessed-mean-spirited-prick counseling.


__________

Sheesh, anyway, as to the subject: ridiculous way to handle a situation, obviously.

It's like talking to little children
No I'm not you are...

 

[Zaap]

It's like talking to little children
No I'm not you are...

You're one of these weird people that thinks he can argue with someone with some know-it-all authority about their own life, thoughts, positions and feelings on subjects. When told you're wrong, instead of just moving on, your obsessive asshole gene kicks in and you dig in with your bullshit.

I don't even know anything about Geosurface, but newsflash: he comes off 1,000,000x more reasonable and sane than you and your obsessive douchebag behavior. In trying to paint him as so terrible, he comes off reasonable and you come off like you are: a complete asshole.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You're one of these weird people that thinks he can argue with someone with some know-it-all authority about their own life, thoughts, positions and feelings on subjects. When told you're wrong, instead of just moving on, your obsessive asshole gene kicks in and you dig in with your bullshit.

I don't even know anything about Geosurface, but newsflash: he comes off 1,000,000x more reasonable and sane than you and your obsessive douchebag behavior. In trying to paint him as so terrible, he comes off reasonable and you come off like you are: a complete asshole.

Oh Lord...
You whiney Liberals, babying full grown men so as not to hurt their little feelings
Need a little more mommies titty?

 

[stlc8tr]

Olsen said the workers threw out the lunches because they can't be served to another student.

 

[nehalem256]

What point are you making? The children did not starve. And they learned a valuable life lesson. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Classic win-win.

 

[MagickMan]

Yes, you and Incor and Zapp seem to think that if someone remembers what you have posted, then has the gall to reply to your posts. They must be obsessed about you, they are stalking you.
This is a part of your paranoia and further proof of your anti social behavior

This is what I keep telling Loonbeam, I'm glad you're helping to clear that up.

 

[Orignal Earl]

This is what I keep telling Loonbeam, I'm glad you're helping to clear that up.

Moonie is like 3 steps ahead of us all, the sooner you can see that, the better off your going to be