2 Muslims run over british soldier then behead him IN LONDON.

[TechBoyJK]

Replace Starfleet with "Western" or "East Asian". So Far Islam has failed to show that it can handle anything more advanced than a Tent. And the idea of "freedom of religion" causes many Muslims to recoil in horror, its best that we pull out and let their primitive cultures evolve on their own. That means no aid to them, no immigration, basically a complete removal of relations...

See Syria. Let them kill each other.

 

[Cerb]

What the hell do you know? People that are backwards are only so because they didn't have free food and money.

You should run for a public office, ASAP.

this is a true and sad statement. our country is a war machine, in the past 200 years no other country on this planet has been in as many armed conflicts as the US has. i am sick of it.

Just chill. The guys coming in next election will fix it all.

Yes, my child. Before the evil Americans invaded, we lived under the gentle, benevolent rule of the Taliban. Life was good then...

If you had been used to tribal rule, and had trade networks figured out within that kind of village- and family-centric system, it would have been. From our perspective that would be shit, but their perspective is likely that it only got worse.

We sadly have made it our business once we got entangled with aiding Saudi Arabia and outraging radical muslims across the world, namely a one Osama Bin Laden. Our responses seem to only exacerbate the situation.

Our leaders have had the strange inability to accept that working within some given governmental system, and its underlying society, are learned, rather than innate. While we have just botched some things (Vietnam, FI), we can't go in, try give people any variety of democratic government, and expect it to work. Likewise, don't expect immigrants to raise their children differently, unless they have been given encouragement to assimilate.

 

[Orignal Earl]

So Far Islam has failed to show that it can handle anything more advanced than a Tent.

So really there is nothing to worry about with Iran and Pakistan and nukes

 

[Remobz]

So really there is nothing to worry about with Iran and Pakistan and nukes

oh noes!!!

 

[Orignal Earl]

oh noes!!!

Heh
These guys can't make up their minds
One day Muslims are cavemen
The next they day they are taking over the world

 

[Texashiker]

I'm not advocating anything that we did. Just stating how they're completely FUBAR over there. A-stan is a mess that should be avoided at all costs.

It is their mess, not ours.

If you leave the area, they will expand into a new area and you will have the conflict there instead.

Kinda like with the boston bombings, murder in london, riots in stockholm, sharia zones in london and the attempted times square bombing?

The conflict is moving from "over there" to our front yard. Seems a lot of people do not want to admit it though.

 

[lagokc]

Its obvious that the West needs a "Prime Directive" type of policy to help us deal with the various backwards/primitive societies of the world - most of which are Islamic. If we had that, then even the idea of importing a Muslim would be laughed at as you are taking them out of their element, and with that comes risks such as self-segregation and random acts of Allah-Akbar [ie- cutting off a strangers head] can happen.


Im not huge on Star Trek but it makes perfect sense.



http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlienNonInterferenceClause?from=Main.PrimeDirective

"As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Starfleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely."




Replace Starfleet with "Western" or "East Asian". So Far Islam has failed to show that it can handle anything more advanced than a Tent. And the idea of "freedom of religion" causes many Muslims to recoil in horror, its best that we pull out and let their primitive cultures evolve on their own. That means no aid to them, no immigration, basically a complete removal of relations...

The problem with that idea is that having a 'prime directive' for dealing with "undeveloped races" implies that peoples such as Arabs are less developed or even less human. The cultural relativists that believe that all cultures are morally equivalent and want open door immigration are going to be even more offended at that concept than they are at the idea that maybe immigrants should be checked for a history of violence before being granted citizenship. And in their defense treating members of another culture as some sort of untouchable other thing might not be for the best either morally or strategically.

But even if that wasn't the case, Starfleet had the advantage that races incapable of warp drive would never (or rarely) come in contact with Federation territory anyway as space is big, really big, you just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space. Starfleet had the ability to simply not contact undeveloped cultures until they were ready. At the moment we live on an utterly insignificant little blue green planet, share numerous borders with nations of the Islamic world many of which are highly permeable, and to top it all off we need their oil.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

There are lots of radical Islamists in England and especially London. Soldiers are advised not to wear their uniforms on the street because of radical Muslims. There are no go areas as well.

Now you are making things up. I am a Military Officer who lives in the UK and there is no such advisement nor have there ever been.

Islamic violence like this will continue.

This attack is the result of multiculturalism. Britain is bringing in all these immigrants and many of them don't even integrate and have no loyalty to England but rather their religion like these morons. Britain can't allow these people to stay and must kick out all the radicals.

Also I am not sure if they're dead because I checked an article which shows they were shot.

OP this was a terrorist attack and the PM even admitted it. It should be mentioned in the title.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/23/304972/london/

This was a terrorist attack, everyone knows this, i said that it was in the post you quoted. There have been TWO from Muslims in the last decade, there have been 7 from Catholics.

And you're saying that we should fear Muslims more than Catholics because?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

It is their mess, not ours.

BULLSHEIT!

Have you learned NOTHING?

You don't just bomb the fuck out of a nation and leave them with the same savages that we were trying to eliminate, that is just a recipe for disaster AGAIN.

If not for Iraq this war would have been over, the Taliban all dead and bured, not a single drone would have had to be used because we once had them, we HAD them and then the US thought it would be a good idea to just let them all go, removing all air support and every single unit involved with hunting them down and instead we let them spread.

Kinda like with the boston bombings, murder in london, riots in stockholm, sharia zones in london and the attempted times square bombing?

The conflict is moving from "over there" to our front yard. Seems a lot of people do not want to admit it though.

Sharia zones in London? What the fuck is wrong with you people, do you just make shit up for fun or do you do it because you're completely retarded?

 

[Incorruptible]

Now you are making things up. I am a Military Officer who lives in the UK and there is no such advisement nor have there ever been.



This was a terrorist attack, everyone knows this, i said that it was in the post you quoted. There have been TWO from Muslims in the last decade, there have been 7 from Catholics.

And you're saying that we should fear Muslims more than Catholics because?

Do Catholics want to take over England? NO.

Do you know who anjem choudary is? If you don't then you really need to learn about him and his group. They want Islam to take over England.

Now there have been 3 attacks. Radical Islam is spreading in England.

The 3 somalians who beat up a white girl and then got the charges dropped. The Holocaust not being taught. Radical Muslims protesting in the streets. Burning the Poppy and shouting at British soldiers.

Sharia courts in England.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9975937/Inside-Britains-Sharia-courts.html

 

[Thebobo]

Burning the Poppy and shouting at British soldiers.

We use to do that in the 60s

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Do Catholics want to take over England? NO.

Yes. You really don't have a fucking clue.

Do you know who anjem choudary is? If you don't then you really need to learn about him and his group. They want Islam to take over England.

Great, him and his pet hamster is surely going to try.... Any day now.. i'm so scared i don't know what to do.

Now there have been 3 attacks. Radical Islam is spreading in England.

The 3 somalians who beat up a white girl and then got the charges dropped. The Holocaust not being taught. Radical Muslims protesting in the streets. Burning the Poppy and shouting at British soldiers.

Removed the size and crap because it's just annoying you neo nazist mongrel.

The charges didn't stick, i don't know what anyone can do about that? Maybe go back to 1941 Germany where the charges against undesirables would ALWAYS stick? Is that what you are proposing?

The holocaust is being taught, both Muslims and the EDL (Nazists) are protesting because we have free speech, should we abolish it?

Burning a fucking remembrance poppy and posting it on youtube is a fucking individuals action.

Now if you'd take the time to point out everything any member of ANY group in Britain (lets say men, or women, or Catholics or Anglicans) have been doing you'd find as much or more and none of them are in your fancy list of gropus that are trying to take over Britain.

On behalf of the sane human beings in the UK i urge you to stop using our Nation that is ten times what your nation could ever hope to be as an example of where Islamic terrorism happens because over the years Islamic terrorism doesn't account for even one percent of the terrorism we have had and you have to understand that.

THIS is not the nation to be complaining about terrorism within because from our veiwpoint 99% of all terrorism comes from white Catholics.

Do you get that you retarded wise and beautiful woman?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

We use to do that in the 60s

Dats terrism, right there!

HORRIBLE!

 

[ultimatebob]

Not surprising... You're talking about a place that has special Halal KFC's in some parts of the UK to drum up business.

 

[lagokc]

Do Catholics want to take over England?

Well they'd like to but they mostly gave up on that around November 5, 1605...:hmm:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Well they'd like to but they mostly gave up on that around November 5, 1605...:hmm:

They still have the only one lasting group (under new leadership since 05) that does.

No Islamic group have ever hinted that they wanted it.

When it comes to "taking over the UK" the US are fucking idiots on this matter, you're scared sheitless over this and we are not, sure, we have a couple of deaths every decade and some annoying debates but all in all... we have 1 million fucking chavs who are a sheitload more annoying.

 

[lagokc]

They still have the only one lasting group (under new leadership since 05) that does.

No Islamic group have ever hinted that they wanted it.

When it comes to "taking over the UK" the US are fucking idiots on this matter, you're scared sheitless over this and we are not, sure, we have a couple of deaths every decade and some annoying debates but all in all... we have 1 million fucking chavs who are a sheitload more annoying.

I think it's because British tabloids are constantly putting out pieces about Muslims being over appeased. You're certainly not in as bad a situation as the Netherlands where a member of parliament had to go into permanent hiding because she was an apostate (and we all know what the penalty for that is in Islam).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayan_hersi_ali

 

[Agent11]

The problem with that idea is that having a 'prime directive' for dealing with "undeveloped races" implies that peoples such as Arabs are less developed or even less human. The cultural relativists that believe that all cultures are morally equivalent and want open door immigration are going to be even more offended at that concept than they are at the idea that maybe immigrants should be checked for a history of violence before being granted citizenship. And in their defense treating members of another culture as some sort of untouchable other thing might not be for the best either morally or strategically.

And they are wrong, these countries we are discussing are the antithesis of our most cherished ideals, in everything from manner of governance to individual rights.

There are always exceptions, and I'm sure there are many wonderful people that have immigrated and made lives for themselves, but it is not reasonable to expect the majority of people from such places to do so.

 

[Dari]

Can the OP change the title? The men were clearly not Somalis but Nigerians. Also, one of them looks like Chris Partlow from The Wire.

 

[Incorruptible]

They still have the only one lasting group (under new leadership since 05) that does.

No Islamic group have ever hinted that they wanted it.

When it comes to "taking over the UK" the US are fucking idiots on this matter, you're scared sheitless over this and we are not, sure, we have a couple of deaths every decade and some annoying debates but all in all... we have 1 million fucking chavs who are a sheitload more annoying.

Your country is being taken over by these people and you're not worried? They will either convert or kill non-Muslims.

Who are these chavs?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Your country is being taken over by these people and you're not worried? They will either convert or kill non-Muslims.

Who are these chavs?

It is hysterical hyperbole to say that the UK is being "taken over" by Muslims. On the other hand, it is naive silliness to deny that radical Islam is the most dangerous, destructive force on Earth at the moment.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Your country is being taken over by these people and you're not worried? They will either convert or kill non-Muslims.

Who are these chavs?

Use google, idiot.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Your country is being taken over by these people and you're not worried? They will either convert or kill non-Muslims.

Who are these chavs?

Taken over, hardly. Idiot.

Use google. Idiot.

 

[Ichinisan]

Its obvious that the West needs a "Prime Directive" type of policy to help us deal with the various backwards/primitive societies of the world - most of which are Islamic. If we had that, then even the idea of importing a Muslim would be laughed at as you are taking them out of their element, and with that comes risks such as self-segregation and random acts of Allah-Akbar [ie- cutting off a strangers head] can happen.


Im not huge on Star Trek but it makes perfect sense.



http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlienNonInterferenceClause?from=Main.PrimeDirective

"As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Starfleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely."




Replace Starfleet with "Western" or "East Asian". So Far Islam has failed to show that it can handle anything more advanced than a Tent. And the idea of "freedom of religion" causes many Muslims to recoil in horror, its best that we pull out and let their primitive cultures evolve on their own. That means no aid to them, no immigration, basically a complete removal of relations...

What milestone should they have to reach before we start interacting with them? Inter-stellar travel?

 

[Agent11]

Equal rights for women would be a good start. A civil law judiciary would be another.