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2 months to better health, advice

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I quit my job about a week and a half ago and have enough saved up to live leanly for 2, maybe 3 months before having to actively look for work. Last month my doctor gave me some sobering news- if I don't shape up my genetic high blood pressure + my obesity + smoking = premature death, perhaps within 10 years if my waistline continues to expand.

I quit smoking and have drastically cut back on the gorging I did for years. At 6' I reached a scary high of 290 pounds, and am now down to 272 with much more to go. Now I have 2 months off to spend raising my kids and kickstarting a life dedicated to being there for them. To cut off my melodrama, I have 2 or 3 months, I understand slow and steady is the way to go but I'd also be down to try something I normally couldn't, say a cleanse... Or a particularly time consuming workout routine.

Right now, since money's tight I've been working out at home (I have a $60 amazon stepper, do about 15 minutes a day with dumbbells, plus an hour of strenuous household work). The goal is to get that up to an hour of working out. Any other indoor fitness suggestions ? I don't mind paying for equipment, getting a babysitter's the big reason gyms don't work well for me. Diet wise I"ve been lazy and just using slim fast (30 cents a can for the walmart brand) plus almonds for snacking, lean protein and vegetables for most dinners (take out once a week). Is that a terrible idea? Any other suggestions?

I'm tempted to get a knock off of the total gym (less than $200) and blast it for an hour 3 times a week, would the results after 2 or 3 months be enough to convince my wife that it's a good expenditure during a time when money's tight? :)
 

Zivic

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get your diet in check. if you don't do that, nothing will matter. track your intake and then we can talk about training.
 

z1ggy

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You can invest in a pull up bar that hangs over your door frame and some good quality resistance bands for <$75. P90x(2) is a pretty good work out and should improve your health by a lot as long as you eat right, too.

And FFS, stop smoking.
 

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You can invest in a pull up bar that hangs over your door frame and some good quality resistance bands for <$75. P90x(2) is a pretty good work out and should improve your health by a lot as long as you eat right, too.

And FFS, stop smoking.

Doubt the OP will be doing pull-ups any time soon...


Check the FAQ.

Work on quitting smoking.

Try to avoid drinking calorie dense drinks like soda, juice, slim fast, etc. Make a sandwich with lean protein, low calorie bread (ezekiel or pumperknickel, etc), with low fat mayo do that instead of having a Slim Fast -- what I'm saying is eat the calories instead of drinking them.

Eat less food (let's say you give yourself 3/4 of what you'd normally eat, then 1/2)

Get active, play with the kids, go outside for a walk, do some house chores. Doesn't have to be 1 hour in one shot. Split it up into quarters or something. This is important for cardiovascular health, but eating within reason will slim you down. You can definitely eat more than you can work off in a day, lol.

There are probably a million different things you can do with the dumbbells at home, so check out some YT videos on that.
 

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My vote is to cut out anything that has added refined sugars and avoid foods with extreme concentrations of (saturated) fat and salt - this efffectively cuts almost all highly processed foods from your diet. Insoluble fiber is your friend, though once you put it in a blender it loses a lot of its benefits (ie smoothies). Basically, whole foods. Avoid sweetened drinks, even those with artificial sweeteners - artificial sweeteners also cause an insulin response.

I'm a vegetarian, so I use alternative quality proteins, but I'm putting alternatives in parenthesis. Here's an example of what I eat on a given day:

Breakfast:
"Old fashioned" e.g. non-instant oatmeal with milk and cinnamon, and blueberries to give it some extra sweet
Or
Breakfast scramble with tofu(eggs), peppers, onions and nutritional yeast (cheese) served on whole wheat toast
And
Cup of coffee with a bit of unsweetened soy or almond milk (dairy milk)

Lunch:
Leftovers from dinner the night before


Dinner:
Tempeh sandwich and a spinach salad
Or
Breaded and baked cauliflower (chicken) wings and a salad
Or
Vegetable stirfry over brown rice or noodles
Or
Brown rice and beans/lentils with vegetables (perhaps some chopped chicken)

For snacks, I carry fruit and nuts, usually apples, bananas and almonds. I don't drink anything from a can, mostly because it's all full of processed sugars, though I do occasionally indulge with a sweet tea.

This is not a "diet", this is how I eat, and it takes very little time to prepare. I cook a larger portion for dinner, prep time is usually 15 to 30 minutes, and my oats take about 2 minutes in the morning to cook, 3 and a half in the microwave, which is enough to make my coffee.
 

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I was nearly in your same situation a few years back and pretty much have got my shit together now. I feel better than ever. A few things that I attribute to success:

A food scale. I had to learn what my serving size/calorie target looked like on a plate. Except for fast/junk food I still eat a lot of the stuff I always have, maybe a few less carbs, but in much more reasonable amounts.

A 300+ lb Olympic weight set, a bench, and a power rack. By far the best purchases of my life. Basic barbell workouts with moderately heavy weight 2 or 3 times a week has been a massive benefit to me. Pretty much all of the back aches and joint pains I used to have are gone and I'm strong enough to get out and have fun.

Time. It took some patience to get to a point where it was routine. 275 to 225 seemed easy. 215 took twice as long.

Good luck.

Edit: Also, get a job. :)
 
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No doubt you have to exercise regular besides checking your perfect diet. I saw one of my friend got training to get bigger muscle even when he had not much fat to loss. But I eagerly say he is now better than before and still he continuing his exercise regularly and never I saw him ignore his diet practice.
 

Maximilian

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Yeah I remember your thread OP.

As others have said, get the diet in check. To lose weight calories burnt must be greater than calories eaten regardless of food quality. Maybe even count calories for a month or two, this isnt the most exciting thing in the world but it gives you an idea of what you're eating.

Eating good quality healthy stuff helps with other health issues.

I also agree with the olympic weight set and power rack purchase :thumbsup: Stronglifts is a proven simple program to follow that uses that equipment, same with Starting Strength, they're basically the same thing except for one of the lifts.
 

z1ggy

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Doubt the OP will be doing pull-ups any time soon...

Why...? It's called assisted pull ups. You place a chair in front of you and place one or both feet on it to relieve some of your weight. The futher away you place the chair, the less weight it holds, making it more difficult.

When I first started getting back into fitness after I got over weight from depression and other things, this is how I had to start.

Now about 2yrs later I can do about 6 pull ups with 35lb attached to my body (and I'm still cutting, so I'm weakened a touch).

TLDR; OP can still do pull ups.
 

Kaido

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Right now, since money's tight I've been working out at home (I have a $60 amazon stepper, do about 15 minutes a day with dumbbells, plus an hour of strenuous household work). The goal is to get that up to an hour of working out. Any other indoor fitness suggestions ? I don't mind paying for equipment, getting a babysitter's the big reason gyms don't work well for me. Diet wise I"ve been lazy and just using slim fast (30 cents a can for the walmart brand) plus almonds for snacking, lean protein and vegetables for most dinners (take out once a week). Is that a terrible idea? Any other suggestions?

In a nutshell, all you need to know is this: food controls fat. Change your diet = change your weight. There are a few associated bits of information you need - some misconceptions to overcome:

1. Exercising to lose fat is inefficient. Sure it's possible, but it's a very slow & hard way to do it. Unless you enjoy exercising for hours every day, changing what you eat will give you much faster results with a lot less effort. Everyone likes the idea of exercise because if feels like you're doing something & feels like you're making real change...nope. You can simply eat clean, never exercise (or exercise just a little bit, like going for walks every day), and still be skinny (but exercise is still good!!).

2. You don't have to starve yourself or calorie-restrict like crazy.

3. You don't have to eat lame food. I eat better now on my bodybuilding diet than I ever have in my life - meatloaf, chili, tuna salad, grilled chicken, all kinds of great stuff.

4. Don't lose the weight too fast. Max 2 pounds a week on average is recommended. Do a google image search for "loose skin" to see why you shouldn't lose weight too fast.

What it boils down to is either (1) being willing to cook your own food, or (2) being willing to shell out for prepared meals that fit your dietary goals. As mentioned earlier, we have a great fat loss sticky with all of the foods that are good to eat to lose fat:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=162171

Are you willing to make your own meals? If not, do you have the budget to buy pre-made food that fits your health & fitness goals?
 

SP33Demon

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Walk for 10 minutes in the home with dumbbells, go as heavy as you can stand. For the average person, a farmer's walk will improve them significantly for GPP (General Physical Preparedness). It also doubles as HIIT cardio to get your metabolism and oxygen capacity up. For accessory movements, do back extensions on a GHD or swiss ball if possible. Also abs abs abs. Once your weight (through diet) and GPP are polished, then you are ready for heavier compound movements like the squat/DL since your core strength and grip will be stronger.
 

Kaido

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I quit smoking and have drastically cut back on the gorging I did for years. At 6' I reached a scary high of 290 pounds, and am now down to 272 with much more to go. Now I have 2 months off to spend raising my kids and kickstarting a life dedicated to being there for them. To cut off my melodrama, I have 2 or 3 months, I understand slow and steady is the way to go but I'd also be down to try something I normally couldn't, say a cleanse... Or a particularly time consuming workout routine.

Also, first of all, congrats on quitting smoking & deciding to take control of your health! The idea is hard, but it's actually really simple to do. You basically have control over 3 things:

1. Food
2. Exercise
3. Sleep

To figure out how to handle those 3 things, the first thing you need to do is set some goals. Outside of training for specific events, fitness goals usually fall into one of two categories:

1. Achieve the body you want (lose fat)
2. Maintain your body (don't get fat again)

Diets fail because they cover the first category, but not the second - people achieve their weight-loss goals through dieting, but then go back to where they were because their mental programming, their habits, haven't changed, so they gain weight again. If you want long-term health, then that's a lifestyle change - a permanent change of habits. The good news is, you're going to eat better & feel better than you ever have before in your life!

Let's start out with food. Food is the real key to losing fat. Generally this means shifting your diet to "eating clean". That means eating lean protein, good carbs, and good fats, instead of fatty protein, bad carbs, and bad fats. For example, chicken vs. pork, vegetables vs. potato chips, and peanut butter vs. candy bars. The fat loss sticky has an excellent listing of good foods to eat:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=162171

It's not really a huge change...for example, change your lunch to a turkey sandwich on wheat bread. Still tastes good, but now the ingredients fall within the fat-loss criteria (lean meat, good carbs, etc.). What it boils down to is 2 things:

1. Be willing to cook, and/or
2. Have the budget to buy prepared foods

Cooking at home is the most cost-effective way to lose weight. If you don't want to cook, then you'll need to have the budget to buy food that fits the dietary guidelines for your goals. There are plenty of pre-made foods out there specifically for getting in shape, even ones you can order directly online like this one:

http://www.personaltrainerfood.com/

I happen to enjoy cooking, so I just make my own meals so I can eat the meals that I want to. I change up my diet a lot, but here's what is currently on my menu most of the time:

http://catch42.pbworks.com/w/page/78929159/Meal Plan

I also like to cook in bulk & make my own TV dinners. I have a thread on that here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2336038

What I do is carry my containers in a big lunchbox with ice packs, so that I never have the excuse that I didn't have healthy food available to eat. This also removes the barrier of eating it because everything tastes good since I picked the menu - meatloaf, chili, chocolate protein smoothies, etc. - no nasty healthfood stuff here! You're not stuck eating salads all day either. I lost over 50 pounds eating this way, so it definitely works!

As far as when to eat, the traditional way of eating is to have 3 meals a day. Most people have snacks & dessert as well, and a lot of people skip breakfast. I recommend eating smaller meals more often - so if you're going to have a turkey sandwich for lunch, eat half of it for a morning snack, and the other half for lunch. That prevents you from getting hungry inbetween meals because you're always eating. Plus it doesn't take all that long to eat since you're eating a smaller portion every few hours. I like this method because you stay full all the time.

Beyond that, it doesn't really matter. Some people only eat like once a day ("warrior's diet" style), some people eat 3 meals, some people eat 6 smaller meals. I like the smaller meals because I day full all day & my energy stays up all day. I personally don't like eating before bed because I don't sleep well (the food sits in my stomach & also gives me energy, so I have a hard time sleeping because it feels uncomfortable), but some people can't sleep without eating before bed, so whatever works for you.

Also, this is a not a death sentence for your favorite foods, and you don't need to go nuts about having "cheat meals" and whatnot. Just follow the 80/20 rule...eat well 80% of the time, and enjoy other stuff the rest. I still have pizza and cookies and stuff a couple nights a week, but the majority of my eating is pretty healthy - plus my food tastes good, so I don't feel deprived at all. The hard thing is just cooking on a regular basis, which is why I do a lot of make-ahead meals that I can freeze to eat later.

As far as exercise goes, the heart association recommends elevating your heartrate for at least 30 minutes a day for optimum health. That can be a brisk walk, playing DDR dancing games, going for a bike ride, jumping rope, swimming, pretty much anything. Exercising isn't absolutely required for getting skinny, but it helps keep your body balanced (burning calories & all) & also helps your body process food (helps you have regular bowel movements). They also recommend a couple strength-training sessions a week, so whether that's weights or pushups or whatever is up to you. If you're overweight, I would start out with the diet change, and optionally if you want, 10 or 15 minutes doing simple aerobics - you mentioned a stepper & dumbbells, so you already have everything you need if you want to add daily exercise to your fat-loss plan.

For sleep, pretty much just make sure you're getting at least 7 hours or so. You'll know what is enough if you stop being tired all the time. I'm a big fan of going to bed earlier rather than later because I feel better when I do that, but you have to figure out what works for your body & your schedule. Your body does a lot of health-related stuff when it's recharging your batteries at night, so it's really important not to skimp on sleep. The best route to go is going to sleep early & sleeping until you wake up (sometimes 8 or 9 hours depending on your body), but that's not always possible, so you'll have to figure out your own schedule.

That's basically it. This is my approach:

1. Eat small meals every few hours, made up of lean protein, good carbs, and good fats
2. Go to bed early & get 7 or 8 hours of sleep
3. Exercise daily

I'm not always perfect at it, but my energy & weight do better when I follow those guidelines more carefully. So here is a step-by-step checklist of what you need to do:

1. Set a fat-loss goal (how to get the body you want)
2. Set a maintenance goal (how to keep the body you want)
3. Pick a menu
4. Make a shopping list
5. Get the gear you need (Tupperware, insulated lunchbox, ice packs, etc.)

Once you solidify your plans and get setup & in the swing of things, it becomes second nature. The pounds fall off & you start having energy all day long. You think more clearly, you feel better, your waistline looks better. Lots of great benefits!
 
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Thank you, thank you, thank you! Lots of great advice.

I've always wondered - you know how actors prepare for new gigs by going through extreme weight loss by working out 8 hours a day? Being that I have a lot of free time, any merit to working out for a few hours a day? I understand that 2 pounds a week is ideal, but since I have the opportunity to work out say 3 hours, any harm?

I ask this because I'm picking up my job search in say January, I'd like to look as good as possible in a suit by then (I look like a penguin right now) :)
 

SP33Demon

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Thank you, thank you, thank you! Lots of great advice.

I've always wondered - you know how actors prepare for new gigs by going through extreme weight loss by working out 8 hours a day? Being that I have a lot of free time, any merit to working out for a few hours a day? I understand that 2 pounds a week is ideal, but since I have the opportunity to work out say 3 hours, any harm?

I ask this because I'm picking up my job search in say January, I'd like to look as good as possible in a suit by then (I look like a penguin right now) :)

I don't see anything wrong with working out for 2-3 hours a day but it took me awhile to build up the endurance to do that, and you can get a solid workout in at less than an hour. I'm usually BSing with friends and taking longer breaks since we max out a lot so that adds a lot of time to the workouts.

If you want to lose weight, then yeah you're going to have to focus on the diet more but getting your GPP up will kickstart your calorie burning, so a 2 hour workout isn't going to hurt you unless you think you're losing weight too fast (i.e. leftover skin folds).
 

blackdogdeek

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I've always wondered - you know how actors prepare for new gigs by going through extreme weight loss by working out 8 hours a day? Being that I have a lot of free time, any merit to working out for a few hours a day? I understand that 2 pounds a week is ideal, but since I have the opportunity to work out say 3 hours, any harm?

For extreme weight loss actors go on crash diets, NOT work out 8 hours a day.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...g-three-stone-Dallas-Buyers-Club-smarter.html
 
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I don't see anything wrong with working out for 2-3 hours a day but it took me awhile to build up the endurance to do that, and you can get a solid workout in at less than an hour. I'm usually BSing with friends and taking longer breaks since we max out a lot so that adds a lot of time to the workouts.

If you want to lose weight, then yeah you're going to have to focus on the diet more but getting your GPP up will kickstart your calorie burning, so a 2 hour workout isn't going to hurt you unless you think you're losing weight too fast (i.e. leftover skin folds).

Indeed, I feel like death after 30 min on the stepper, 2 hours is an eventual goal once I build up some endurance.

Cool, so there's no harm in eventually working out to the extent then - good to know. I have a weird feeling about it, I feel like I'm much less likely to eat that donut if I killed myself working out
 

Kaido

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Cool, so there's no harm in eventually working out to the extent then - good to know. I have a weird feeling about it, I feel like I'm much less likely to eat that donut if I killed myself working out

Don't fool yourself - you'll want to eat that donut more because you'll be carb-starved after the workout.

Waistline is controlled by food. Change your diet & the pounds will magically fall off. Everyone wants to avoid changing their diet & everyone loves the idea that they have enough willpower to sustain hours on a hamster wheel every day, because that sounds pretty fun when you're excited about getting in shape & are motivated in the moment. Just change what you eat man. Here's 1,500 pages of motivational photos for you:

http://beforeandafterfatlosspics.tumblr.com/
 
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Don't fool yourself - you'll want to eat that donut more because you'll be carb-starved after the workout.

Waistline is controlled by food. Change your diet & the pounds will magically fall off. Everyone wants to avoid changing their diet & everyone loves the idea that they have enough willpower to sustain hours on a hamster wheel every day, because that sounds pretty fun when you're excited about getting in shape & are motivated in the moment. Just change what you eat man. Here's 1,500 pages of motivational photos for you:

http://beforeandafterfatlosspics.tumblr.com/

Completely hear you. My diet is pretty much under control (I cheat by accident, I'm back on adderall for ADHD and it completely kills my appetite), but I really appreciate your mega post up there - I'll follow your advice for sure and set goals, log, and just stick to caloric goals.

I guess I'm a bit rushy because I don't know if I'll ever have a few months to myself again, and have always been too busy to work out with any regularity. I'm thinking that forcing myself to excersise an excessive amount will help build that discipline I'm lacking.And, ok, no one wants to hire a fatty around here. I was hoping to start my job search just overweight instead of obese
 

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Why...? It's called assisted pull ups. You place a chair in front of you and place one or both feet on it to relieve some of your weight. The futher away you place the chair, the less weight it holds, making it more difficult.

When I first started getting back into fitness after I got over weight from depression and other things, this is how I had to start.

Now about 2yrs later I can do about 6 pull ups with 35lb attached to my body (and I'm still cutting, so I'm weakened a touch).

TLDR; OP can still do pull ups.


IMHO, there's no point in him even trying a pullup. Stand on a chair to do an assisted pullup to what end? I don't get why you'd recommend that at all when, once the diet is in check, just about anything (like walking, stair step, swimming) would be easier and improve his cardiovascular system. Once he drops some of that weight, doing a pullup or learning how to do it will be safer and easier.
 

highland145

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IMHO, there's no point in him even trying a pullup. Stand on a chair to do an assisted pullup to what end? I don't get why you'd recommend that at all when, once the diet is in check, just about anything (like walking, stair step, swimming) would be easier and improve his cardiovascular system. Once he drops some of that weight, doing a pullup or learning how to do it will be safer and easier.
Um, resistance training where you can get it...maybe? I didn't start off with a 125lb preacher curl.

I'm 195lbs now. After my joints gave up the ghost(bitches), I'd be happy with a 50lb stress on the biceps. He can slow his decent for reps.

Learning the technique of how to do a proper squat is more important than how to do a pull up.

But what do I know? Nada.
 

Kaido

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Completely hear you. My diet is pretty much under control (I cheat by accident, I'm back on adderall for ADHD and it completely kills my appetite), but I really appreciate your mega post up there - I'll follow your advice for sure and set goals, log, and just stick to caloric goals.

I guess I'm a bit rushy because I don't know if I'll ever have a few months to myself again, and have always been too busy to work out with any regularity. I'm thinking that forcing myself to excersise an excessive amount will help build that discipline I'm lacking.And, ok, no one wants to hire a fatty around here. I was hoping to start my job search just overweight instead of obese

Well, if you can handle a lot of exercise...that does work too, just ask Michael Phelps :biggrin:
 

SP33Demon

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Indeed, I feel like death after 30 min on the stepper, 2 hours is an eventual goal once I build up some endurance.

Cool, so there's no harm in eventually working out to the extent then - good to know. I have a weird feeling about it, I feel like I'm much less likely to eat that donut if I killed myself working out

Yeah I think it depends on the endurance level. I hit some new PR's this weekend (425 squat/550 high rack dead pull) and felt wiped, but during upper body day I feel like I can go for 4 hours straight. And that's usually after maxing out on benchpress and chins. It could also be the result of taking caffeine as well, I only take it 3x a week.
 

Scarpozzi

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Some advice...clean out your cabinets and fridge...throw out the junk food. Go out and buy as many fresh fruits and vegetables as possible. Look up slow carb diet foods and follow foods with a low glycemic index.

We all get cravings of junk...the slow carb diet gives you 1 day a week to eat what you want...the truth is, after you get in the habit of eating good, you start to crave good food again. Try to cut down on carbs where possible and if you need a snack, eat as many apples and celery w peanut butter as possible.... Start eating more black beans and cottage cheese to fill up less bread-based carbs.