This is an interesting article on two guys who lived together for 20 years as a couple on a small farm Oklahoma. One of the guys died of a stroke, leaving the farm and property to his partner. The greedy and immoral heterosexual relatives of the deceased sued and won the farm in court (they won because the will was missing a witness signature, and because the two men weren't married, they didn't have any of the vast amounts of legal precedent favoring the married partner over relatives of the deceased in legal situations like this). Now the relatives, in a final insult, are suing the surviving gay man for 20 years of back rent for the years he lived on the ranch. This case demonstrates how the lack of legal protections associated with marriage leaves gay couples vulnerable to predatory heterosexual relatives and an indifferent or hostile judiciary. It also demonstrates how heterosexuals so often seem to believe it is their god given right to rob gay people blind, homophobia notwithstanding.
2 decades together mean nothing in Oklahoma law
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that sounds like a very sad story 
The gay couple I guess needed to be extra vigilante on things like wills and trusts matters because there is not marriage rights. Had the will been valid, it should have stood up in probate. A living revocable trust specifying specific heirs would have been a better way to go especially in this situation. thumbs down to the "relatives" of this man.
The gay couple I guess needed to be extra vigilante on things like wills and trusts matters because there is not marriage rights. Had the will been valid, it should have stood up in probate. A living revocable trust specifying specific heirs would have been a better way to go especially in this situation. thumbs down to the "relatives" of this man.
If the couple had been married, all property would have automatically passed to the surviving spouse, even if the will was invalid and even if there was no will at all. Oh, wait.. gay couples can't get married.
Specop 007
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As said in the other thread.
There was no LEGAL binding will, as said in the other thread.
Inheritance, by law, does not always go to the spouse, as said in the other thread.
Domesticpartner laws vary by state, as said in theother thread.
I encourage any poster to look in OT for his other thread on this subject. You'll see his only purpose is to push a militant gay agenda, and to troll and flame anyone who doesnt follow his views.
There was no LEGAL binding will, as said in the other thread.
Inheritance, by law, does not always go to the spouse, as said in the other thread.
Domesticpartner laws vary by state, as said in theother thread.
I encourage any poster to look in OT for his other thread on this subject. You'll see his only purpose is to push a militant gay agenda, and to troll and flame anyone who doesnt follow his views.
uh, civil marriage exists. Every marriage that is registered by the state is a civil marriage. (The marriage may also be a religious marriage, depending on the nature of the ceremony.) As I've said many times, heterosexuals have access to civil marriage, gay couples don't have access to civil marriage. that is unfair, unjust.
Specop 007
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You dont belong on this forum for at least a week! All you did was troll and flame anyone who didnt fall over and slober to your ideas. You also could NOT refute any points made, but rather posted
yawn. boring.idiot.
Yeah, way to defend your position.
Specop 007
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uh, civil marriage exists. Every marriage that is registered by the state is a civil marriage. (The marriage may also be a religious marriage, depending on the nature of the ceremony.) As I've said many times, heterosexuals have access to civil marriage, gay couples don't have access to civil marriage. that is unfair, unjust.
uh, people in P&N tend to look for more substantive responses than beer mugs and slaps on the back. :roll:
I think they shouldn't exist at all.
Marriage is a contract between a person, their spouse, and God. The state shouldn't be handing out a marriage.
So I am not being unfair or unjust to homosexuals.
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Well then your screwed.
When can we see the yawn, boring, idiot posts?
When can we see a valid argument from you that doesnt involve unfair standards?
When will you admit the WHOLE reason the problem came about was because of their inability to properly createa will?
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The 2 partners in the story should have been well aware that OK is not a gay friendly state, they should have had all their t's crossed & i's dotted. They should have been well aware that the judges in OK would not have been willing to make law, they leave it up to the legislators, judges just interpret the law.
What happened is certainly unfortunate, but the errors of logic are just life in general, when the 2 chose an alternate lifestlye, they should have taken the time to protect themselves, they were obviously capable of doing so
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I agree marriage should not be a state controlled issue. I seriously doubt Odin and I have the same belief.
Do YOU support having the government tell you how to live your life? You shouldnt expect anyone else to fall in line with that socialist way of thinking, except apparently some gays.
He argued that I was discriminating against homosexuals due to the fact that heterosexuals have access to civil marriage while homosexuals do not.
I was merely pointing out that I do not think either homosexuals or heterosexuals should be able to have a "civil marriage" due to my religious beliefs.
Whether or not you agree or he agrees with those beliefs is irrelevant. I was simply illustrating that his comment was not valid as I am not prejudiced in that area.
What did you expect?
This is the land of discrimination not the free under the Radical Religious Right Rule. Enjoy
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