That's simply not going to happen. AMD is gonna need to make up some profits from it's money bleeding 50$ AXP 1800+ days, when the company was just bleeding money like somebody who was shot in the heart. They're going to do that by charging prices equal to intel's at an equal performance level. (Maybe slightly cheaper). They need to charge big bucks to make back their terrible losses during the late AXP days and get back into the black. And I for one, hopes AMD does just that, and preserves it's long term future instead of merely making us enthusiasts happy for a while then going bankrupt.
No, it's beating the crap out of Intel's TOP dog, the 3.2GHz P4. If the Athlon64 FX is beating the 3.06GHz P4 by 40-50%, I'd say conservatively it will take the 3.2GHz P4 by 20%. Just a guess, but I bet I'm close.
I disagree i hope AMD keeps the prices of these chips higher than they did with Athlon XP's, they should keep these chips similar to Intels prices. I have come to realize that many people(hat have even heard of AMD) have this idea that Athlons are of lesser quality than Intel. Kind of like an Athlon is a Honda Civic and a P4 is a Mercedez. Mostly because of the price, the lack of Advertizing and even the packaging. AMD needs to get there name out there and make there products known. They should focus less on the Enthusiast market and start appealing to the common shmoe that doesn't know anything about computers. Make them beleive like Intel does that when they see AMD they see quality not low price. I think that will help AMD be a more profitable company in the long run. Many car companies did this exact same thing look at Toyota and Honda, in the 1980's they were considered low cost cars that did the job but didn't compare to american cars, now they are seen as equals and by many as superior to american cars. Granted there are differences.
AMD has to change there image, to be more competitive.
Okay, so we know how awesome the A64 is going to be and when it's coming out...
but what are the new Intel releases and when are they coming out?
but what are the new Intel releases and when are they coming out?
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And while I may get a G5 next year, if we average out all the variables I don't think the G5 2.0 classifies as a truly heavyweight when compared to the Opteron 2.2. I think a reasonable guess is that on average the Opteron 1.8 is more comparable to the G5 2.0. Perhaps with further optimization of the OS and of apps, esp. with new IBM compilers built for the G5, the G5 may gain some ground, but I highly doubt it will ever match the Opteron 2.2 for absolute raw power, except in specific apps under specific situations. (My reason for the G5 is for the OS, the software and the overall package.)
The G5's biggest hope is to ramp up the CPU clock rate, and Teh Steve with IBM have claimed a 3 GHz G5 by Q3 2004. But I'm sure the Prescotts and Opterons will be ramped up several notches by then too.
Bottom line, Athlon64 FX 2.2 is here now, and it's a monster.
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The Inquirer The Inquirer is usually one of the first to guess on a date (and often is correct within a week or so) and they still don't have a date. If the Inquirer isn't discussing a date, then Intel is being very hushed about it. Thus we have to estimate a date. Basically the Inquirer is still saying between Oct 26 and Feb 15. But more realistically, Intel won't release a new processor and then cut its price immediately so its release probably won't be in Jan or Feb. In all the years I've been watching Intel, I've never seen a December desktop processor release (too close to Christmas season to gain any benefit). So that makes it November. Celerons are getting a major shift on Nov 5th. Intel frequently does chip releases around mid November (the 3.06 GHz was Nov 14th). So really the 2nd week of November looks like where we will first see Prescot.
Note: that is just about the time that the faster Athlon 64 will be released (slower ones will be released first even though all sites will benchmark the faster one just like what happened with the Opteron).
Of course if anyone has better estimations, I'd love to hear them.
Originally posted by: JackBurton
No, it's beating the crap out of Intel's TOP dog, the 3.2GHz P4. If the Athlon64 FX is beating the 3.06GHz P4 by 40-50%, I'd say conservatively it will take the 3.2GHz P4 by 20%. Just a guess, but I bet I'm close.
Where does the "crap" line start? 25%? OK then A64 is beating the SNOT out of Intels TOP dog...
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The Inquirer. $399 for a 2.0 GHz Athlon 64 (slower than the one mentioned in this thread). Pin counts are also in that link. $650+ for the Athlon 64 FX mentioned in this thread. But as always, take the Inquirer with a grain of salt (things can change, they do not have a crystal ball into the exact future).
I got an email from the AMD team for a contest they are having. Not going into details but they say the price is more than $640.
On another note Intel is probably licking their chops right now and have something instore. This hype will be short lived as before. If you think about it logically most of the P4C's are OC'ing like mad, they are releasing an overclocking tool for their own mb's, their current line of CPU's were released at prices at much lower per mhz than ever before, and 2 weeks ago they announced that they were going to kill there earnings predictions for the quarter.
I do agree though that this is great for technology. If it wasn't for AMD we might still be <2gig with less architecture improvements.
On another note Intel is probably licking their chops right now and have something instore. This hype will be short lived as before. If you think about it logically most of the P4C's are OC'ing like mad, they are releasing an overclocking tool for their own mb's, their current line of CPU's were released at prices at much lower per mhz than ever before, and 2 weeks ago they announced that they were going to kill there earnings predictions for the quarter.
I do agree though that this is great for technology. If it wasn't for AMD we might still be <2gig with less architecture improvements.
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Thanks for the confirmation. Intel follows patterns. It isn't hard to spot them. AMD on the other hand, I have much harder times estimating. I get their prices estimated usually quite well (I got the Athlon 64 prices pretty accurately about 18 months ago), but release dates and price cut dates I have a real hard time with.Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
I know for a fact that, right now, that's an extremely accurate estimation.
Man with these P4C's right now that just fly when OC'd how much faster can a darn app be? I mean sure it would be nice to say hey I'm getting 150FPS in HL2 but it isn't going to be that noticeable. I can only guess that things like video encoding and the like will be much faster but how much faster can we have the ordinary app run?
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Hehe... try a 3D modelling/animation program sometime. There's a thing called a "render farm," and they exist for a reason.
I use Caligari trueSpace 4.3 and I've had animation sequences that take over 48 hours to render (that was on my dual-P3 rig).
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Originally posted by: mechBgon
Hehe... try a 3D modelling/animation program sometime. There's a thing called a "render farm," and they exist for a reason.
You can never have too much speed
I am a big fan of AMD and I hope that they can do well and it looks like they will. As for Intel I hope they don't have anything up thier sleaves just yet AMD needs to gain some market share first then Intel can release whatever they want. All sounds good to me =)
Originally posted by: wetcat007
Note Prescott will emit 103watts of heat for the lowest clocked version
This heat issue has already been taken care of. I posted awhile back that they alread had made changes to stepping and it won't effect the launch date.
Originally posted by: wetcat007
Note Prescott will emit 103watts of heat for the lowest clocked version
I think you are wrong and that 103 watts was for the 3.4 or 3.6ghz prescott....There will be a 2.8ghz prescott and that would be considered low-end...Try Again....
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Hehe... try a 3D modelling/animation program sometime. There's a thing called a "render farm," and they exist for a reason.
You can never have too much speed
Actually, the Opteron will have a harder time with 3D animation apps than the Athlon XP or the Pentium 4 because of its low clockspeed. Hyper-threading provides a much greater benefit than an integrated memory controller, and since that's the biggest improvement that the Athlon 64 will see, it won't be quite so hot in those 3D DCC applications. However, the efficiency of a dual processor Opteron system makes up for that shortcoming. As the Athlon 64 ramps in clockspeed, it will overtake the Athlon XP, but it will have a harder time catching the higher clocked P4's or Prescott.
For 3D animation apps, the future looks to be with Intel for now.
(P.S. You still working with Truespace, mechBgon? I think you're good enough that you need an upgrade...)
RE:"Let's hope that AMD is smart and starts their low-end chip at about $150. That would really fry Intel. "
Why? people pay more for Intel because it's Intel...
Why? people pay more for Intel because it's Intel...
RE:"The G5's biggest hope is to ramp up the CPU clock rate, and Teh Steve with IBM have claimed a 3 GHz G5 by Q3 2004. But I'm sure the Prescotts and Opterons will be ramped up several notches by then too"
Hope springs eternal when you have 3-4% of the market but a pretty face.
Hope springs eternal when you have 3-4% of the market but a pretty face.
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I wish I had the money for Lightwave and a whole bunch of add-on goodies, but I doubt that will ever happen. Hey, how's your house project coming out, anyway?Originally posted by: jbond04
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Hehe... try a 3D modelling/animation program sometime. There's a thing called a "render farm," and they exist for a reason.
You can never have too much speed
Actually, the Opteron will have a harder time with 3D animation apps than the Athlon XP or the Pentium 4 because of its low clockspeed. Hyper-threading provides a much greater benefit than an integrated memory controller, and since that's the biggest improvement that the Athlon 64 will see, it won't be quite so hot in those 3D DCC applications. However, the efficiency of a dual processor Opteron system makes up for that shortcoming. As the Athlon 64 ramps in clockspeed, it will overtake the Athlon XP, but it will have a harder time catching the higher clocked P4's or Prescott.
For 3D animation apps, the future looks to be with Intel for now.
(P.S. You still working with Truespace, mechBgon? I think you're good enough that you need an upgrade...)
Not true(the A64's biggest improvement). SSE2 and the larger regsiter set(when we see compilers properly optimized) will have a much larger impact then the integrated mem controller for 3D DCC. Also, the IPC on the Opteron/A64 is obviously improved considerably even under x86-32 without the possible benefits of x86-64 exposed or taking into account the other improvements. When we see properly optimized compilers and renderers, the A64 has the potential to obliterate the AXP in numerous shader tasks(in the range of 400%-500% I would estimate) simply from the advantages of x86-64 over x86-32(although overall performance obviously won't be up that much). Radiosity should also see a signficant improvement though I haven't looked at it close enough to give even a ballpark estimate.
Now... shouldn't people be asking which apps are going to be optimised for the extended registers? Thats a whole lot of unused potential, even though 400-500% seems a little over the top. (but what do I know eh?
) We need AMD (or someone!) to provide us with an idea of what is going to get a boost with the x86-64 registers utilised. Of course, for most useful programs to utilise these registers, we would need to see the 64bit version of windows as well.TRENDING THREADS
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