$2.24/gallon now...

[IGBT]

So what do ya think?? 3.00 a gallon by x-mas?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: IGBT
So what do ya think?? 3.00 a gallon by x-mas?

I doubt it, tho it would be interesting to see where the break point is for people to actually modify their driving habits and vehicles.

 

[radioouman]

$1.71 today in Columbus, OH.

Not too bad really. I'm expecting $2.50 per gallon by summer.

Eh, could be worse.

 

[Nitemare]

It's threads like this that remind me of one of the reasons to not live in California...bout a buck 50 or so here.

 

$1.77 near my house - Text

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
It's threads like this that remind me of one of the reasons to not live in California...bout a buck 50 or so here.

Where's NC at these days? Atlanta is still hovering around $1.55 or so as of my commute in this morning.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Bimringham, al. Most places are around $1.55/gallon or so but a new cowboys by work sells it at the price I got. i think they probably dilute it with tap water, but still! Around $1.70 or $1.75 premium.

Skoorbie, you do know they can't dilute it with water, right? Auto Gas and water won't mix, they seperate like water and oil.

When flying, one of the things we do before take off is sump the tanks for water, dirt, etc. If there is water in the tank, it is obvious because it sinks to the bottom and you can see the line where the gas stops and the water starts.

They can however put alchol into it, but that wouldn't make sense from a $$$ POV.

Hopper

 

[Migroo]

Thats not bad!!

I'm paying at LEAST $1.20 a litre... 🙁

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Bimringham, al. Most places are around $1.55/gallon or so but a new cowboys by work sells it at the price I got. i think they probably dilute it with tap water, but still! Around $1.70 or $1.75 premium.

Skoorbie, you do know they can't dilute it with water, right? Auto Gas and water won't mix, they seperate like water and oil.

When flying, one of the things we do before take off is sump the tanks for water, dirt, etc. If there is water in the tank, it is obvious because it sinks to the bottom and you can see the line where the gas stops and the water starts.

They can however put alchol into it, but that wouldn't make sense from a $$$ POV.

Hopper

Most states have laws regarding gasoline quality and dispenser accuracy, anyway.

Here in Oregon, such laws are realitivly new... and there were indeed stations that mixed water with the gas. You're right about the seperation, though.. I'm not really sure how they got away with it. The news story I remember seeing had a jar full of the contaminated gas, and it wasn't quite seperated out.. but you could tell that it wasn't right..

Maybe they just shook the jar up for the news shot, I don't know. 😛

They wouldn't put alcohol into it. Alcohol is much more expensive than gasoline in small quantities. That wouldn't really hurt anything anyway, at least compared to water(not running).

 

[Thegonagle]

I'm no chemist, but if it's oxygenated gasoline, AKA gasohol, couldn't a certain amount of water be mixed in, since alcohol mixes with both gasoline and water?

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I would love to have a motorcycle. I often look at the street legal dirt bikes and get wet for it, but I'd never have one even if mrsskoorb wouldn't divorce me. Man they are just way way way too unsafe! I get in enough close calls from other people when driving in a car. Motorbikes are even harder to see (not inculding the fact you're likely to drive faster)!

Uh-oh... Don't let the Mrs see this! 😀

Hopper

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Garfang
I'm no chemist, but if it's oxygenated gasoline, AKA gasohol, couldn't a certain amount of water be mixed in, since alcohol mixes with both gasoline and water?

Yes, but the small amount of water you could get in would not expand the volume enough to make it worth it.

Plus, it would be obvious quickly because your car would run poorly, if at all on gas with very much water in it.

Hopper

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Garfang

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Garfang
I'm gonna start drivin my Civic again. 🙂

My sister, my dad, and I are always feeling so good in our Civics when gas prices go from reasonable to gouge. It hit about $1.85 around here a few weeks ago, but it's back down.

I've got a '92 LX, dad has a '00 EX, and sis has an '01 HX . 🙂 BTW, that $14,000 HX gets like 40MPG overall! Why even buy the $20,000 Hybrid?

Lessee........I burn about 6-700kcal per hour on my bike ($500) and can average 16mph or so in traffic while commuting 8 miles each way. A gallon of gas contains approx 33,000 kcal, which is roughly equivalent to 21 lbs of rice meaning I can commute to and from work for a month (20 working days) on the rice equivalent of 2/3rds of a gallon of gas or about 480 mpg..........so there. 😛

My dad won't let me get a motorcycle. 🙁

J/K, I'm 27 years old.

This is a mountain bike.....I just did the approximate mileage conversions for the sake of humor. Most motorcycles get 45+ mpg depending on the displacement and how hard you're riding.

😱

Oops! It all looked like gibberish before I re-read it. I had just woken up after a late night at work and too little sleep.

It's too cold to ride my bicycle up in Minnesota anyway. I can't wait to take a nice long ride again though.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Eli
Most states have laws regarding gasoline quality and dispenser accuracy, anyway.

Here in Oregon, such laws are realitivly new... and there were indeed stations that mixed water with the gas. You're right about the seperation, though.. I'm not really sure how they got away with it. The news story I remember seeing had a jar full of the contaminated gas, and it wasn't quite seperated out.. but you could tell that it wasn't right..

Maybe they just shook the jar up for the news shot, I don't know. 😛

They wouldn't put alcohol into it. Alcohol is much more expensive than gasoline in small quantities. That wouldn't really hurt anything anyway, at least compared to water(not running).

Actually, the refiners themselves put a small amount of alcohol in motor gas. This is why airplanes use AvGas, it lacks alcohol. It also doesn't have the preservitives that motor gas has. Otherwise, other than octane, it is basicly the same stuff. You can put motor gas in most airplanes and they fly just fine. You could put AvGas in most cars and trucks and they would drive just fine for awhile.

Most AvGas today is 100 octane, the killer is that it still has lead in it. That is why I put the "for awhile" part there. The lead would damage car engines over time.

Hopper

 

[StageLeft]

I was kidding about the water thing. I know they're state regulated, but maybe they mix sugar with it or diesel 😛

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Garfang

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Garfang

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Garfang
I'm gonna start drivin my Civic again. 🙂

My sister, my dad, and I are always feeling so good in our Civics when gas prices go from reasonable to gouge. It hit about $1.85 around here a few weeks ago, but it's back down.

I've got a '92 LX, dad has a '00 EX, and sis has an '01 HX . 🙂 BTW, that $14,000 HX gets like 40MPG overall! Why even buy the $20,000 Hybrid?

Lessee........I burn about 6-700kcal per hour on my bike ($500) and can average 16mph or so in traffic while commuting 8 miles each way. A gallon of gas contains approx 33,000 kcal, which is roughly equivalent to 21 lbs of rice meaning I can commute to and from work for a month (20 working days) on the rice equivalent of 2/3rds of a gallon of gas or about 480 mpg..........so there. 😛

My dad won't let me get a motorcycle. 🙁

J/K, I'm 27 years old.

This is a mountain bike.....I just did the approximate mileage conversions for the sake of humor. Most motorcycles get 45+ mpg depending on the displacement and how hard you're riding.

😱

Oops! It all looked like gibberish before I re-read it. I had just woken up after a late night at work and too little sleep.

It's too cold to ride my bicycle up in Minnesota anyway. I can't wait to take a nice long ride again though.

Hehe...sorry. The thread got me wondering how many kcal in a gallon of gas and what kind of rough equivalent mileage my fat ass gets and such. My science nerd mind wonders about things like this. 😉

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Garfang
I'm no chemist, but if it's oxygenated gasoline, AKA gasohol, couldn't a certain amount of water be mixed in, since alcohol mixes with both gasoline and water?

A certain ammount I suppose, but like I said.. it's pretty well regulated. You never know when the inspector is going to come to your station.

I wish most oxygenated gasoline used ethanol as the oxygenate. Unfortunately, that is not the case, and they use MTBE(methyl tertiary-butyl ether).

MTBE is poisonous, and has a tendancy to leak out of anything that it possibly can. 🙁

http://www.epa.gov/swerust1/mtbe/mtbeprop.htm

I wish they used Ethanol. We should be using a 40% ethanol 60% gasoline blend. Our engines, the environment, and farmers would thank us.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Eli
Most states have laws regarding gasoline quality and dispenser accuracy, anyway.

Here in Oregon, such laws are realitivly new... and there were indeed stations that mixed water with the gas. You're right about the seperation, though.. I'm not really sure how they got away with it. The news story I remember seeing had a jar full of the contaminated gas, and it wasn't quite seperated out.. but you could tell that it wasn't right..

Maybe they just shook the jar up for the news shot, I don't know. 😛

They wouldn't put alcohol into it. Alcohol is much more expensive than gasoline in small quantities. That wouldn't really hurt anything anyway, at least compared to water(not running).

Actually, the refiners themselves put a small amount of alcohol in motor gas. This is why airplanes use AvGas, it lacks alcohol. It also doesn't have the preservitives that motor gas has. Otherwise, other than octane, it is basicly the same stuff. You can put motor gas in most airplanes and they fly just fine. You could put AvGas in most cars and trucks and they would drive just fine for awhile.

Most AvGas today is 100 octane, the killer is that it still has lead in it. That is why I put the "for awhile" part there. The lead would damage car engines over time.

Hopper

It would damage the cats moreso than the engine.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Eli
Most states have laws regarding gasoline quality and dispenser accuracy, anyway.

Here in Oregon, such laws are realitivly new... and there were indeed stations that mixed water with the gas. You're right about the seperation, though.. I'm not really sure how they got away with it. The news story I remember seeing had a jar full of the contaminated gas, and it wasn't quite seperated out.. but you could tell that it wasn't right..

Maybe they just shook the jar up for the news shot, I don't know. 😛

They wouldn't put alcohol into it. Alcohol is much more expensive than gasoline in small quantities. That wouldn't really hurt anything anyway, at least compared to water(not running).

Actually, the refiners themselves put a small amount of alcohol in motor gas. This is why airplanes use AvGas, it lacks alcohol. It also doesn't have the preservitives that motor gas has. Otherwise, other than octane, it is basicly the same stuff. You can put motor gas in most airplanes and they fly just fine. You could put AvGas in most cars and trucks and they would drive just fine for awhile.

Most AvGas today is 100 octane, the killer is that it still has lead in it. That is why I put the "for awhile" part there. The lead would damage car engines over time.

Hopper

Actually, lead is good for engines. It has lubricating properties, keeping upper cylinder wear and valvetrain wear down. Valve seats being pounded to death was a big problem when leaded gasoline was phased out. 🙂

Gasoline does not contain alcohol unless it is oxygenated, and even then.. they usually use MTBE as the oxygenate, not alcohol. 🙁

High octane gas is not a good thing for an engine that wasn't designed for it.

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Eli
Actually, lead is good for engines.

Yes, for engines designed for it, such as the engines in most light airplanes and helicopters.

If you put leaded gas into a modern engine, such as you'd find in a Honda Accord, it would not like it at all.

Gasoline does not contain alcohol unless it is oxygenated, and even then.. they usually use MTBE as the oxygenate, not alcohol. 🙁

It is a mix, a crapshoot...

If you get an STC to use motor gas in an airplane, you have to test it for alcohol content before using it. Otherwise it can be very bad for those old engines. Conditions will vary of course and some people don't bother to test, but you're supposed to.

Hopper

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Eli
Actually, lead is good for engines.

Yes, for engines designed for it, such as the engines in most light airplanes and helicopters.

If you put leaded gas into a modern engine, such as you'd find in a Honda Accord, it would not like it at all.

Gasoline does not contain alcohol unless it is oxygenated, and even then.. they usually use MTBE as the oxygenate, not alcohol. 🙁

It is a mix, a crapshoot...

If you get an STC to use motor gas in an airplane, you have to test it for alcohol content before using it. Otherwise it can be very bad for those old engines. Conditions will vary of course and some people don't bother to test, but you're supposed to.

Hopper

Leaded gasoline will not hurt an engine in any way whatsoever. Like I said, It has lubricating properties.. All its going to do is keep upper cylinder and valve wear down to a minimum. The reason leaded gasoline was phased out, besides the health/pollution issue, was because it poisons catalytic converters.

You can get "lead substitute" at any automotive store. All it is is a light lubricant.. 🙂

That's interesting about the alcohol test, though.

 

[psianime]

$1.91/gal for the cheap stuff at the cheap gas station here in cheap Riverside, CA

-psianime

 

[Pocatello]

$1.67 for regular here in Pocatello, ID. I drive a Camry (I4 engine), not a Chevy Suburban 🙂

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: Eli
Leaded gasoline will not hurt an engine in any way whatsoever. Like I said, It has lubricating properties.. All its going to do is keep upper cylinder and valve wear down to a minimum. The reason leaded gasoline was phased out, besides the health/pollution issue, was because it poisons catalytic converters.

Ahh yes, that's why modern cars all have labels that say "unleaded gas only"...

😀

Hopper

 

[Grasshopper27]

Gas was $1.55 today for regular unleaded...

Hopper