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RichUK
Lifer
Looks great. I love that they have brought back the properly flared arches at the front. They messed up the e92 M3 on that front, IMHO.
Anyway, I biased in that I already have a 1 series, but this car, without run flats (no RFT from M division FTW!) and 340hp is very tempting... It's this or an E60 M5... damn choices.
That's what I'm thinking now as well!
Thing is, E60 M5 sounds amazing.
punjabiplaya
Diamond Member
damn, 1 series is bigger than the original m3
PricklyPete
Lifer
As much as I like the E60 M5...I just love the size of the E46 M3 and the 1 Series even more. I just like smaller cars. The V10 in the E60 is amazing though.
PricklyPete
Lifer
damn, 1 series is bigger than the original m3
Oh yeah...and heavier by 3-400 lbs I believe.
vshah
Lifer
wouldn't want anything to do w/ those girls anyway. good riddance!
1M looks awesome. would be even more awesome if it was under $50k
KentState
Diamond Member
What does this car offer at $45k that a Mustang GT at $35k doesn't? I've been thinking a lot about the validity of the M3 compared to a Boss 302 and now I question this car.
Don't take this as trying to bash either car, but now being in a position were I could afford either car, I question what makes them worth the premium.
Don't take this as trying to bash either car, but now being in a position were I could afford either car, I question what makes them worth the premium.
punjabiplaya
Diamond Member
edit: I'm trying to think too. I really do think it's badging. Ford's interiors have gotten so much better while BMW has put more plastic in. Sync is actually really good. I can't see what you're paying for other than idrive.
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exdeath
Lifer
The "like... oh ma gawd... like I drive a... BMW! tee hee" factor.
Problem with the BMW brand is it's perceived as a status symbol brand in the US. If the price of the 1 series was more reasonable, you'd scare away people with the whole "budget BMW" thing because the reason the average person in the US buys a BMW is so others think they have money. People who buy BMW for that reason are going to want to buy a more expensive BMW, not the one that costs as much as a Sentra that everyone else is driving.
What this does for the company is create a artificial price floor, that no car with a BMW badge can go under, ever, where numerous models crowd around and step on each others toes, and it becomes extremely difficult to differentiate a wide range of cars that cost the same but vary drastically in ability. eg: Who would spend $45k on a 128 when you can get a 335 for $50k, and so on.
If they price it where it should be, it will be too cheap and have a budget stigma that badge shoppers won't want to associate with, and cost alot of sales.
Sad but that's how the market is in the US. You would think a 1M would be $30-35k and really shake up the market. I thought the 1 series was supposed to compete with the mainstream cars, eg: Camry, Accord, Maxima, etc type cars, but that arbitrary price floor for the badge priced it out of the intended market.
*off to ebay and autotrader to check out prices of used E46 M3's and 335i's*
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KentState
Diamond Member
I really haven't looked to buy a 302 Boss so I'm not aware of the markup. The M1 has to be a step down performance wise from the M3 so even a GT 5.0 should performance just as well as the M1.
exdeath
Lifer
'11 GT performs better than a M3, so it will easily out perform a 1M.
alkemyst
No Lifer
less on the road. BMW fit and finish.
Boss 302 is a totally different type of car/market though.
SSSnail
Lifer
Said the guy with a tinted civic... :wub:
KentState
Diamond Member
Guess fit/finish doesn't matter to me as much on a "performance" car as performance. If I was going to buy a run of the mill luxury car, then I could see looking at fit and finish of a 3 series compared to a Camry, Fusion, Accord and that may justify the price. On the other hand, if I'm getting the "performance" version of a car, I want it to better than other performance cars in the market if it going to be $20-30k more.
alkemyst
No Lifer
I'd never drive a miata...they look ridiculous to me.
I don't care what people think of my car, but if every chick was looking at me like I should be in a circus I am sure I could find another choice.
alkemyst
No Lifer
$6k option on a $41k car is a bit at the 'uber' level of that buying market.
That said, most going all out at the dealership on these aren't stopping there.
punjabiplaya
Diamond Member
I was talking to my friend and she was telling me about one of her friends just bought a new car (my friend knows very well how much I love cars). So she asked me, "she bought a BMW, can you guess which one?"
me: "a used, probably 2 or 3 years old 328i"
her: "damn, you're right, how'd you know?"
me: "she's a badge whore. she bought a cheap 3 series, and not the ones with the good engines"
One is a luxury coupe that is also designed to be a road monster, the other is a purely muscle car.
The interior design (as much as Ford has improved lately) still does not compare to the Germans. I know the Mustang is not a luxury car, but the interior on a $35K car should be better than what it is.
If you are purely comparing about performance, there won't be too much difference. If you are taking into the account of fit/finish/creature comfort, most German cars are still ahead of the game (though Americans are quickly improving).
Just look at a VW GTI, that interior shits all over anything that the Americans can come with up in a similar price range.
clumsyalex
Member
MORE SPECS
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463733
* 4.7 second 0-60mph / 4.9 second 0-100kmh
* 13.2 second quarter mile
* 155mph top speed
* 335hp @ 5900rpm
* 332lb-ft torque from 1500-4500rpm (with +37lb-ft overboost)
* High strength steel unibody with widened fenders and track
* Metal roof panel (saves 35lbs over 1-series with moonroof)
* Aluminum suspension from E90/E92 M3. Virtually all of the front-end components are aluminum; virtually every detail on the five-arm rear axle is made of aluminum
* Weight balance of 51.7% front 48.3% rear
* Weighs in at 1,495kg DIN (3,296 lbs, preliminary)
* Brakes from M3 featuring internally-vented, cross drilled cast icon discs – 14.2 inch front, 13.8 inch rear. Each disc is connected to a floating aluminum hub by cast-in stainless-steel pins which reduces the thermal loads on the discs, thus increasing their performance and service life.
* Dash display brake wear indicator monitors condition of the brake linings.
* M3 Competition / M3 GTS competition wheels – 19x9” with 245/35/19 tires front and 19x10” w/ 265/35/19 tires rear
*Air curtains, used here for the first time in a BMW production vehicle, improve air flow around the wheel arches with the benefit of significantly reduced turbulence. This innovative aerodynamic feature consists of openings in the outer section of the lower front fascia that route high-pressure air through ducts at each front corner. The ducts are approximately 10 x 3 centimeters wide and are designed to channel air to openings at the front of each wheel arch, where it is discharged through a very narrow opening at high speed. The escaping air stream covers the side of the front wheels like a curtain, thereby reducing aerodynamically unfavorable turbulence around the rotating wheels. (Technology stems from BMW Vision Efficientdynamics).
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463733
* 4.7 second 0-60mph / 4.9 second 0-100kmh
* 13.2 second quarter mile
* 155mph top speed
* 335hp @ 5900rpm
* 332lb-ft torque from 1500-4500rpm (with +37lb-ft overboost)
* High strength steel unibody with widened fenders and track
* Metal roof panel (saves 35lbs over 1-series with moonroof)
* Aluminum suspension from E90/E92 M3. Virtually all of the front-end components are aluminum; virtually every detail on the five-arm rear axle is made of aluminum
* Weight balance of 51.7% front 48.3% rear
* Weighs in at 1,495kg DIN (3,296 lbs, preliminary)
* Brakes from M3 featuring internally-vented, cross drilled cast icon discs – 14.2 inch front, 13.8 inch rear. Each disc is connected to a floating aluminum hub by cast-in stainless-steel pins which reduces the thermal loads on the discs, thus increasing their performance and service life.
* Dash display brake wear indicator monitors condition of the brake linings.
* M3 Competition / M3 GTS competition wheels – 19x9” with 245/35/19 tires front and 19x10” w/ 265/35/19 tires rear
*Air curtains, used here for the first time in a BMW production vehicle, improve air flow around the wheel arches with the benefit of significantly reduced turbulence. This innovative aerodynamic feature consists of openings in the outer section of the lower front fascia that route high-pressure air through ducts at each front corner. The ducts are approximately 10 x 3 centimeters wide and are designed to channel air to openings at the front of each wheel arch, where it is discharged through a very narrow opening at high speed. The escaping air stream covers the side of the front wheels like a curtain, thereby reducing aerodynamically unfavorable turbulence around the rotating wheels. (Technology stems from BMW Vision Efficientdynamics).
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dawp
Lifer
I never understood that mentality, why the fuck should it matter what others think. as far as I'm conserned, there are no girly/gay cars, just get the car you want and don't think about what others think. and grow up.
PricklyPete
Lifer
You have conlicting stats up there. 3296 initially and then 3461 down below. Are you sure you are not getting the 3461 from the regular 1 series weight? From what I have read, the 1M has had a weight reduction...a lot of that weight coming from the suspension being installed from the M3.
From a purely value perspective, the Mustang is certainly a better purchase. I'd have to drive back to back though to really see where the differences are. The 1M is a good bit lighter if the 3296 number is to be believed and I bet you could chip it for very little money to get some ridiculous performance. That being said, the Mustang is a FANTASTIC car, so I'm sure I'd be happy with either one.
DivideBYZero
Lifer
I'm sure with remapping this is a 400hp death-rocket... WANT.
PricklyPete
Lifer
That's what I'm thinking...a very cheap flash will likely make this a ridiculously good car with fantastic bones from the M3. I do lament the lower rev range...but I'm sure that thrust will get me over that.
This looks like a great car for track use with a lot of room for easy modding. We'll see.
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