1GB Stick of Ram died

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
The RAM's board, not system board. I take it that even the great OCZ RAMs are soldered to a motherboard with caps, resistors, SPD IC, etc?

No, RAM IC's, along with the capacitors, resistors, etc. are mounted to a PCB, not a motherboard. If you happened to know much at all about computers, you'd at least know that, I'm afraid.

Ohhh...some people don't need wikipedia to decipher my code!

You claimed that I could not hit 600MHz with my ValueRAM. And when I provided a link to the post, you again claimed that the link didn't work. How drole.

 

[The-Noid]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Revision should not affect the compatibility between modules unless there is a dramatic change in acceptance criteria. Let's take a look at an E4400 with L2 stepping vs one with MO stepping. Sure, there are subtle changes in design and performance, but both chips should work with all P35 boards! Again, Intel has good control of their specs and manufacturing processes. Perhaps Corsair is vastly inferior, requiring "custom matching"?

I'm not aware of the need to custom match RAMs at Crucial or Kingston. Perhaps you can educate me about this.

This is another 100% incorrect post. Having had E4400 and E4400 M0 ES, you needed to have a bios update on ASUS and Gigabyte boards.

With no bios update, you don't get a post.

With the first M0 beta bios, you got CPU UCODE NOT FOUND, but you could still post.

Final Bios post was fine as CPU UCODE was added.

You know very little of what you are speaking, it is time for the BS to end.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Coincidentally or not, SerpentRoyal lives just a little bit north of Kingston's Orange County headquarters. Of course, I'm not going to draw any concrete conclusions as far as his employer status from that alone. After all, we have members here who are confirmed shareholders in certain tech companies, and he may simply own a bit of stock in his local company, which is quite understandable. Or he may merely be a fan of a particular company -- we have plenty of those people as well.

But regardless of what his personal stake in this is, the fact that he would blast Corsair and OCZ while at the same time universally praising other companies strikes me as a little odd. Especially since we've had members here that have experienced issues with the same RAM brands he's supporting.

Why don't you go to the Abit forum and count the number of problem reports associated with OCZ RAMs vs Crucial or Kingston. If you discount the 2.2V Crucial Ballistix, then Crucial and Kingston DDR2 667 and 800 RAMs are much more compatible with the IP35 boards. Just plug and play. Heck, I invite anyone else to do the same. Reading is believing!

Let's see...HP and Dell are the last two US PC vendors. Gateway is going to China. These big boys want high-quality reliable RAMs because they know that bad RAMs can result in loss of profit. So what do they put in 95% of their PCs? I see Crucial, Kingston, and Samsung.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
Thank you other members for speaking up. I actually did report him to the moderators although I have had no response. I simply wish he would stop harassing our customers and the AT members here that want no part of his ignorance and have stated such. This has happened over multiple threads here at AT and at another forum. I'll be addressing this person and his behavior at the other forum also where he has clearly stated that he has a reading comprehension problem. Perhaps a carrier pigeon or CandyGram is in order.

For now, I think I am going to pull out all my Corsair motherboards, read the SPDs under the light of the moon, and see if I can determine what MOBOs you guys were using when you typed your replies.

EDIT: Be wary of this one guys. He's obviously not going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe trick.

Dude...you're the one that's quoting the forum rule, and you're the one who called me "ignorant". Do I see a double standard?

I can stand on my my two feet. No cry baby here and no need to PM a mod.

Are you telling me that Corsair RAMs don't have another set of ID code (in addition to the standard part number) to provide additional information about the IC, motherboard (yeah it's the 5.25" x 1.20" board with soldered ICs), SPD ID, date/location of manufacture and other proprietary data unique to that stick of memory?


Let's use a specific example from a pair of Kingston N5 DDR2 800 RAM.

The part number used by retailers and consumers is KVR800D2N5K2/1G. On the same stick of RAM, one will also discover another sticker with two rows of number.

1st module:
9905315-084.A00LF

and

2961948-0244338

2nd module:
9905315-084.A00LF

and

2961948-0245036

Armed with those two numbers, a 2nd level or higher Kingston technician will be able to find a replacement module that will work with that stick of RAM over the phone. It's called good customer support. That may explain why Crucial and Kingston don't need to dispatch agents to patrol the internet to put out "brush fire".

Still have doubt? Call Kingston at 800-435-0640.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
Revision should not affect the compatibility between modules unless there is a dramatic change in acceptance criteria. Let's take a look at an E4400 with L2 stepping vs one with MO stepping. Sure, there are subtle changes in design and performance, but both chips should work with all P35 boards! Again, Intel has good control of their specs and manufacturing processes. Perhaps Corsair is vastly inferior, requiring "custom matching"?

I'm not aware of the need to custom match RAMs at Crucial or Kingston. Perhaps you can educate me about this.

This is another 100% incorrect post. Having had E4400 and E4400 M0 ES, you needed to have a bios update on ASUS and Gigabyte boards.

With no bios update, you don't get a post.

With the first M0 beta bios, you got CPU UCODE NOT FOUND, but you could still post.

Final Bios post was fine as CPU UCODE was added.

You know very little of what you are speaking, it is time for the BS to end.

Got link to back that up? IP35-E has no problem with L2 or MO stepping with original 11 BIOS. I also didn't have any issue with the neighbor's Gigabyte P965 with MO E4400 on sale last month at Fry's B&M.

 

[Yellowbeard]

Dude...you're the one that's quoting the forum rule, and you're the one who called me "ignorant". Do I see a double standard?

No, there is no double standard. Ignorant is a descriptor, not an insult. Since you seem fond of the wiki, try this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is sometimes misinterpreted as a synonym of stupidity, and is as thus often taken as an insult. In many cases ignorance is seen as a pleasant alternative to harsh reality.

The harsh reality here is that you have repeatedly demonstrated your complete lack of knowledge and proven yourself to be ignorant with regards to virtually every thread in which you post. You are constantly harassing AT members and you have been asked to stop. I even said please. Do you even remember what this thread is about? You have run it into the ground just like several others recently while you completely neglect the OP or their needs. Your harassment of AT members is why I PMed a mod. That is what responsible adults do on internet forums when a troll is out of control.

 

[The-Noid]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Coincidentally or not, SerpentRoyal lives just a little bit north of Kingston's Orange County headquarters. Of course, I'm not going to draw any concrete conclusions as far as his employer status from that alone. After all, we have members here who are confirmed shareholders in certain tech companies, and he may simply own a bit of stock in his local company, which is quite understandable. Or he may merely be a fan of a particular company -- we have plenty of those people as well.

But regardless of what his personal stake in this is, the fact that he would blast Corsair and OCZ while at the same time universally praising other companies strikes me as a little odd. Especially since we've had members here that have experienced issues with the same RAM brands he's supporting.

Why don't you go to the Abit forum and count the number of problem reports associated with OCZ RAMs vs Crucial or Kingston. If you discount the 2.2V Crucial Ballistix, then Crucial and Kingston DDR2 667 and 800 RAMs are much more compatible with the IP35 boards. Just plug and play. Heck, I invite anyone else to do the same. Reading is believing!

Let's see...HP and Dell are the last two US PC vendors. Gateway is going to China. These big boys want high-quality reliable RAMs because they know that bad RAMs can result in loss of profit. So what do they put in 95% of their PCs? I see Crucial, Kingston, and Samsung.

You are comparing value ram to enthusiast ram. Value Ram shouldn't fail. That is why all the Corsair and OCZ value ram has 5 eggs.

The only fair comparision would be HYPERX vs. Crucial Ballistix vs. OCZ vs. Corsair (sans valueselect).

Also you can read the bios updates for Gigabyte P35 and ASUS P5K series (you said P35 in your original post, what does your neighbor's p965 have to do with this?) for the update on which CPUs are supported with M0/G0 stepping.

Again, you are the one who is wrong here, but you know that, you are the kind of person that wants to argue that whatever they have in life is better. Heck your E4400 probably runs faster than my QX9650, right?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Coincidentally or not, SerpentRoyal lives just a little bit north of Kingston's Orange County headquarters. Of course, I'm not going to draw any concrete conclusions as far as his employer status from that alone. After all, we have members here who are confirmed shareholders in certain tech companies, and he may simply own a bit of stock in his local company, which is quite understandable. Or he may merely be a fan of a particular company -- we have plenty of those people as well.

But regardless of what his personal stake in this is, the fact that he would blast Corsair and OCZ while at the same time universally praising other companies strikes me as a little odd. Especially since we've had members here that have experienced issues with the same RAM brands he's supporting.

Why don't you go to the Abit forum and count the number of problem reports associated with OCZ RAMs vs Crucial or Kingston. If you discount the 2.2V Crucial Ballistix, then Crucial and Kingston DDR2 667 and 800 RAMs are much more compatible with the IP35 boards. Just plug and play. Heck, I invite anyone else to do the same. Reading is believing!

Let's see...HP and Dell are the last two US PC vendors. Gateway is going to China. These big boys want high-quality reliable RAMs because they know that bad RAMs can result in loss of profit. So what do they put in 95% of their PCs? I see Crucial, Kingston, and Samsung.

You are comparing value ram to enthusiast ram. Value Ram shouldn't fail. That is why all the Corsair and OCZ value ram has 5 eggs.

The only fair comparision would be HYPERX vs. Crucial Ballistix vs. OCZ vs. Corsair (sans valueselect).

Also you can read the bios updates for Gigabyte P35 and ASUS P5K series (you said P35 in your original post, what does your neighbor's p965 have to do with this?) for the update on which CPUs are supported with M0/G0 stepping.

Again, you are the one who is wrong here, but you know that, you are the kind of person that wants to argue that whatever they have in life is better. Heck your E4400 probably runs faster than my QX9650, right?

And my ValueRAM can keep up with the overclocking RAMs! Why not have compatibility and performance in one package. There are a few users in this forum with Kingston N5 DDR2 667 ValueRAM at 400MHz/1.95V/4-4-4-12-2T timing. Can the average OCZ overclocking DDR2 800 RAM do this?

You claimed that the Gigabyte board need update to run MO stepping. That's not true with my neighbor's GB P965. If an ancient P965 Gigabyte board works without the need to update the BIOS, then their P35 boards should also be okay. It's very rare for a board to require BIOS update with a change in CPU stepping. Course you know that, right?

 

[ryderOCZ]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyalAnd my ValueRAM can keep up with the overclocking RAMs! Why not have compatibility and performance in one package. There are a few users in this forum with Kingston N5 DDR2 667 ValueRAM at 400MHz/1.95V/4-4-4-12-2T timing. Can the average OCZ overclocking DDR2 800 RAM do this?

Yes, most of our 800 stuff runs 900 to as high as 1000 MHz on 1.95 - 2.1V.

 

[The-Noid]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: Yoxxy

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: AmberClad
Coincidentally or not, SerpentRoyal lives just a little bit north of Kingston's Orange County headquarters. Of course, I'm not going to draw any concrete conclusions as far as his employer status from that alone. After all, we have members here who are confirmed shareholders in certain tech companies, and he may simply own a bit of stock in his local company, which is quite understandable. Or he may merely be a fan of a particular company -- we have plenty of those people as well.

But regardless of what his personal stake in this is, the fact that he would blast Corsair and OCZ while at the same time universally praising other companies strikes me as a little odd. Especially since we've had members here that have experienced issues with the same RAM brands he's supporting.

Why don't you go to the Abit forum and count the number of problem reports associated with OCZ RAMs vs Crucial or Kingston. If you discount the 2.2V Crucial Ballistix, then Crucial and Kingston DDR2 667 and 800 RAMs are much more compatible with the IP35 boards. Just plug and play. Heck, I invite anyone else to do the same. Reading is believing!

Let's see...HP and Dell are the last two US PC vendors. Gateway is going to China. These big boys want high-quality reliable RAMs because they know that bad RAMs can result in loss of profit. So what do they put in 95% of their PCs? I see Crucial, Kingston, and Samsung.

You are comparing value ram to enthusiast ram. Value Ram shouldn't fail. That is why all the Corsair and OCZ value ram has 5 eggs.

The only fair comparision would be HYPERX vs. Crucial Ballistix vs. OCZ vs. Corsair (sans valueselect).

Also you can read the bios updates for Gigabyte P35 and ASUS P5K series (you said P35 in your original post, what does your neighbor's p965 have to do with this?) for the update on which CPUs are supported with M0/G0 stepping.

Again, you are the one who is wrong here, but you know that, you are the kind of person that wants to argue that whatever they have in life is better. Heck your E4400 probably runs faster than my QX9650, right?

And my ValueRAM can keep up with the overclocking RAMs! Why not have compatibility and performance in one package. There are a few users in this forum with Kingston N5 DDR2 667 ValueRAM at 400MHz/1.95V/4-4-4-12-2T timing. Can the average OCZ overclocking DDR2 800 RAM do this?

You claimed that the Gigabyte board need update to run MO stepping. That's not true with my neighbor's GB P965. If an ancient P965 Gigabyte board works without the need to update the BIOS, then their P35 boards should also be okay. It's very rare for a board to require BIOS update with a change in CPU stepping. Course you know that, right?

Yes, many value rams will overclock with voltage. YOU ALSO VOID YOUR WARRANTY THEN.

You are telling a person in a forum to use a higher than standard voltage and if their memory dies to defraud the company. That is great advice! When you buy overclocking ram you pay for the warranty. Overclocking ram fails and has failed for many years. What you get is a new set when this happens. ValueRAM does not provide this warranty. End of point 1.

Do you have first hand experience to know that the DS3-P35 support it with the shipping bios? I do. End of point 2.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Contact Kingston and speak to any engineer in charge of production op. Kingston has no problem honoring 2.0Vdimm setting with their 1.8V N5 ValueRAMs. All quality RAMs will be able to overclock. Kingston's N5 ValueRAMs cost a little more $, but that's because they are populated with very high quality ICs without the fancy heat spreaders. Non-N5 ValueRAMs are 15% cheaper and would be equivalent to other vendors' "valueram". I don't recommend these non-N5 sticks at your local Office Depot because they can only overclock by 3%.

Show me a link at the Gigabyte forum requiring a BIOS update to go from L2 to MO stepping (E4400).

 

[The-Noid]

Talked to John in Tech Support.

Vdimm is 1.8v +-5% (1.89v for the non-mathematical) for warranty, this has to do with motherboard variations. Not for those setting 1.9v vdimm. He also stated that there is no such thing as N5 value ram, it is a relabled IC. They also will use any IC they feel fit to use. It can be from Samsung, Micron, Promos or Eplida. Whatever bins out for them.

They also recommend sending in both sticks, but if the customer recommends for uptime to only send in one they will allow it.

Anything else you'd like to be wrong about today?

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Did you follow my instruction? I said any ENGINEER in charge of production op. What do you expect from a 1st level technician? Try Mike.

Did you asked a 2nd level tech about those two numbers?

As for the RAMs...

N5 used to cost $103. It's now $79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820134117

Non-N5 is static at $81
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820134488

 

[Yellowbeard]

I remember reading this many posts back. It pretty much ends any need at all for any more replies to this thread, especially from trolls with no constructive input:

Oye, this thread is getting out of hand. I'll be dealing with Yellowbeard directly from now on. Thanks for everyone's help, well at least the constructive help.

Thank you for being considerate, mature, and for following forum rules.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
The RAM's board, not system board. I take it that even the great OCZ RAMs are soldered to a motherboard with caps, resistors, SPD IC, etc?

No, RAM IC's, along with the capacitors, resistors, etc. are mounted to a PCB, not a motherboard. If you happened to know much at all about computers, you'd at least know that, I'm afraid.

Ohhh...some people don't need wikipedia to decipher my code!

The wikipedia links were for your education, not mine. I'd think anyone who read my post would be able to comprehend that, unless maybe they had serious reading comprehension deficiencies.

You claimed that I could not hit 600MHz with my ValueRAM. And when I provided a link to the post, you again claimed that the link didn't work. How drole.

Do you mean when the entire abit-usa.com site was down? BTW, here's my favorite quote from your thread, at that link:

Zero fill HDD if it contains old data.

I think I need to put that quote into my signature. What do you think?:laugh: And I'm not sure that that's the funniest. I really liked your "Run Memtest per step #6 to check RAM. If okay, then run Orthos Large mode for one hour." That's good advice, except for the fact that it's once inch above the screenshot of your value RAM running Large FFT's @ 594 Mhz, for 35 whole seconds!!

 

[The-Noid]

Good points myocardia.

Also notice how hot his cores are. Someone who suicides their computer at those kind of temperatures does not give good advice to the general public.

Also the memory tab is not shown. He could be running PC2-9600 instead of his valueram he gloats about so often.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Send me $100 and I'll run the CPU north of 80C for two hours. Put up or shut up.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Good points myocardia.

Also notice how hot his cores are. Someone who suicides their computer at those kind of temperatures does not give good advice to the general public.

Also the memory tab is not shown. He could be running PC2-9600 instead of his valueram he gloats about so often.

Yeah...always something else that missing...others have seen the Kingston ID but no need for me to waste my time with TROLLS.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Good points myocardia.

Also notice how hot his cores are. Someone who suicides their computer at those kind of temperatures does not give good advice to the general public.

Also the memory tab is not shown. He could be running PC2-9600 instead of his valueram he gloats about so often.

Yeah...always something else that missing...others have seen the Kingston ID but no need for me to waste my time with TROLLS.

I just love how, whenever his point(s) are proven worthless, the only thing he can think to say is how the other person is a troll.:laugh: You're right, Snake, we just joined this forum to give you a hard time; you can tell by our join dates.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Good points myocardia.

Also notice how hot his cores are. Someone who suicides their computer at those kind of temperatures does not give good advice to the general public.

Also the memory tab is not shown. He could be running PC2-9600 instead of his valueram he gloats about so often.

Yeah...always something else that missing...others have seen the Kingston ID but no need for me to waste my time with TROLLS.

I just love how, whenever his point(s) are proven worthless, the only thing he can think to say is how the other person is a troll.:laugh: You're right, Snake, we just joined this forum to give you a hard time; you can tell by our join dates.

So where is my $100? You want 2 hours Orthos? Gotta pay if you want to play. I'm calling you bluff. Hot air. I'll even throw in FREE UTUBE video.

 

[The-Noid]

Where is the bluff, you made a bet with someone over the internet you knew wouldn't take.

It is your system that is supposedly stable at those speeds.

You have said it any most posts that your cpu is stable at 3.52 ghz and ram runs 600 mhz. I don't really understand why he would have to give you $100 to prove the stability of your system. Oh wait that is right, you knew he would never give you the money and your system isn't stable. I get it now. Let's divert the post to something else.

Pay me $1,000 and I will show you orthos shots of my QX9650 @ 4.0 ghz. w0w0w0w0w OT!

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: myocardia
I just love how, whenever his point(s) are proven worthless, the only thing he can think to say is how the other person is a troll.:laugh: You're right, Snake, we just joined this forum to give you a hard time; you can tell by our join dates.

So where is my $100? You want 2 hours Orthos? Gotta pay if you want to play. I'm calling you bluff. Hot air. I'll even throw in FREE UTUBE video.

You really should seek help, man. Want to know what the diagnosis usually is, when someone answers a question that wasn't even asked? Schizophrenia is the usual suspect. Go see your GP, at least.


edit: Sorry, GP stands for General Practioner, i.e., the family doctor.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Where is the bluff, you made a bet with someone over the internet you knew wouldn't take.

It is your system that is supposedly stable at those speeds.

You have said it any most posts that your cpu is stable at 3.52 ghz and ram runs 600 mhz. I don't really understand why he would have to give you $100 to prove the stability of your system. Oh wait that is right, you knew he would never give you the money and your system isn't stable. I get it now. Let's divert the post to something else.

Pay me $1,000 and I will show you orthos shots of my QX9650 @ 4.0 ghz. w0w0w0w0w OT!

Someone claimed that I could not run my Kingston N5 DDR2 800 north of 600MHz (RAM speed). If this person wants more proof than my 30 seconds of effort, then fork over $100, I'll crank up my memory divider and run the RAMs north of 600MHz for 2 hours (Orthos whatever mode).

I don't care what you can do with your CPU. Have better things to do with my $.

 

[Yellowbeard]

Adam, please check your PMs. You should have memory tomorrow. Thanks for your patience.

YB.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Where is the bluff, you made a bet with someone over the internet you knew wouldn't take.

It is your system that is supposedly stable at those speeds.

You have said it any most posts that your cpu is stable at 3.52 ghz and ram runs 600 mhz. I don't really understand why he would have to give you $100 to prove the stability of your system. Oh wait that is right, you knew he would never give you the money and your system isn't stable. I get it now. Let's divert the post to something else.

Pay me $1,000 and I will show you orthos shots of my QX9650 @ 4.0 ghz. w0w0w0w0w OT!

Someone claimed that I could not run my Kingston N5 DDR2 800 north of 600MHz (RAM speed). If this person wants more proof than my 30 seconds of effort, then fork over $100, I'll crank up my memory divider and run the RAMs north of 600MHz for 2 hours (Orthos whatever mode).

I don't care what you can do with your CPU. Have better things to do with my $.

You should brush up on your reading comprehension skills. That "someone" asked, in a completely different thread, if you had a screenshot of your value RAM running @ 602 Mhz/1204 DDR, which you still haven't provided.

edit: Good point, Yoxxy, anyone could provide a screenshot of their PC4200 running @ 1200 DDR, and without the SPD tab in the screenshot, they could be running this DDR2-1200.