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blackangst1

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These phony journalists claim they are uncovering corruption. Bull crap!

They lie and engage in barely ethical activity and claim they are doing the right thing.

One of their number posted a link to Project Vertitas, supposedly to secure bonafides for their assemblage. Well, here's what a court thinks about that nonsense:

Project Veritas? LMAO

As Ive mentioned, there are always bad apples in the bunch. But you cant forget auditors like Sean Paul Reyas (Bay Area Transparency), Big Nick, and Amegansett press for all the good theyve done. Sean Reyas has even been asked to speak at police departments on this subject.
 
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Moonbeam

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I already knew, but its interesting you're finally being honest about your priorities.
You can make some pretty silly assumptions based on your personal grievances and interest in insulting people. You should know by now that I have both interest and sympathy for the preponderance of your points of view and little if no interest at all in your, in my opinion, emotional immature need to look down your nose at others on this forum. I am far more interested in 1st amendment audits than I am is 2nd amendment ones which I find generally to be stupid and rude. That is because as a person my interest in my right of self defense is primary at the personal level. My interest in 1st amendment audits, and because I am not a member of the press, falls under a different category of interests, those regarding the welfare of society in general. Therefore, the right I am thinking about is my right as a citizen of California to conceal carry.

I believe the law is now on the side of those who would like to conceal carry in California despite what sheriffs by county are politically beholden to think. That is the struggle I am interested in watching. I live in a county that formerly would not issue based solely on the sheriff's opinion as to whether he or she thinks is my level of need for protection. I find it tyranical that somebody else can decide whether I need to call somebody else if my life in under threat. I believe other people are safer from me than I am from some random sherrif. I believe that most people are the same. As you may not have noted, most all of my efforts on this forum address the abismal lack of psychological understanding that leads to gun violence, drugs, idiotic political conservatism, left wing extremism, and everything else pointing to our future extinction.

Thanks for you comment. :)
 

BonzaiDuck

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Wanna talk about the 1st Amendment.

Let's examine a classic piece of literature and its subsequent film. I choose Walter van Tilburg Clark's "The Oxbow Incident", published in the early 1940s, the film adaptation following about a year or so later, featuring Henry Fonda, Dana Andrews, Anthony Quinn and Harry Morgan. It is western story about a lynching.

In the film, at the end, Fonda and Morgan -- their characters -- are standing at the bar in a saloon. Fonda reads aloud the letter written by the wrongly-lynched man (Dana Andrews) to his surviving wife and kids:

[Gil Carter reading Martin's letter]

Gil Carter: "My dear Wife, Mr. Davies will tell you what's happening here tonight. He's a good man and has done everything he can for me. I suppose there are some other good men here, too, only they don't seem to realize what they're doing. They're the ones I feel sorry for. 'Cause it'll be over for me in a little while, but they'll have to go on remembering for the rest of their lives.

"A man just naturally can't take the law into his own hands and hang people without hurtin' everybody in the world, 'cause then he's just not breaking one law but all laws. Law is a lot more than words you put in a book, or judges or lawyers or sheriffs you hire to carry it out. It's everything people ever have found out about justice and what's right and wrong. It's the very conscience of humanity.


"There can't be any such thing as civilization unless people have a conscience, because if people touch God anywhere, where is it except through their conscience? And what is anybody's conscience except a little piece of the conscience of all men that ever lived? I guess that's all I've got to say except kiss the babies for me and God bless you. Your husband, Donald."

Over my life, I had seen this film several times and will probably see it again on some day with nothing to do, the remote in hand and an inclination for it. But I had read the book as a senior in high school. The movie script of interest here is almost a tear-jerker -- especially that part about God. Out of curiosity, I wanted to find the origin of the script lines quoted above as printed in the book. Here it is:

"Sin against society,” Winder said, imitating a woman with a lisp.

‘‘Just that,” Davies said passionately, and suddenly pointed his finger at Winder so Winder’s wry, angry grin faded into a watchful look. Davies’ white, indoor face was hard with his intensity, his young-looking eyes shining, his big mouth drawn down to be firm, but trembling a little, as if he were going to cry. You can think what you want later, but you have to listen to a man like that.

“Yes,” he repeated, “a sin against society. Law is more than the words that put it on the books; law is more than any decisions that may be made from it; law is more than the particular code of it stated at any one time or in any one place or nation; more than any man, lawyer or judge, sheriff or jailer, who may represent it. True law, the code of justice, the essence of our sensations of right and wrong, is the conscience of society. It has taken thousands of years to develop, and it is the greatest, the most distinguishing quality which has evolved with man- kind. None of man’s temples, none of his religions, none of his weapons, his tools, his arts, his sciences, nothing else he has grown to, is so great a thing as his justice, his sense of justice. The true law is something in itself; it is the spirit of the moral nature of man; it is an existence apart, like God, and as worthy of worship as God. If we can touch God at all, where do we touch Him save in the conscience? And what is the conscience of any man save his little fragment of the conscience of all men in all time??"


He stopped, not as if he had finished, but as if he suddenly saw he was wasting something precious.

The point of it all: the movie script is not so clear as to the origins of secular law, and leaves the connection with God a bit confused. But the author's words evoke the anthropological and historical fact that secular law has evolved in many civilizations, and so cannot be said to have its origins in The Bible and the Judeo-Christian tradition.

And this is also the factual understanding that is missing from current evangelical arguments that the 1st Amendment is only a one-way street, insinuating that some particular religion can meddle in law and government without restriction. This has profound implications in the ongoing frenzy concerning Roe v Wade, with people arguing that abortion is murder. But the State decides what is murder and what is not. The State has serious penalties which vary for different crimes, whereas -- take Catholicism as an example -- murdering Abel is a Mortal sin; stealing your grandmother's estate and kicking her out of her house is a mortal sin; slam-dancing with a hooker while your wife tends to the kids at home is a mortal sin, and "bearing false witness" or lying whether under oath or in any other circumstance is a mortal sin -- all with no distinction as to the consequence. You're gonna go to hell no matter what.

This goes back to the anchor point in the movie script and the printed novel: " . . . There can't be anything such as civilization . . . " The purpose of the State is to preserve the nation-State and civilization, and the law of the State has no concern with helping people get to heaven.

That's one idea I want to present about the 1st Amendment.

The other idea is simple. If you have two parties engaged in a discussion, and the discussion ultimately must end in discovery of the Truth, then everything is just wonderful if both parties have the Truth as an objective.

But if one party is only interested in winning the argument and could care less whether the outcome is based in the Truth and represents the Truth, one could say that party is "murdering" the Truth. And if you murder the Truth, on the discovery of the deceit, you cannot have any civil argument or discourse. Why would the victim of the Murdered Truth wish to invest more time and effort in discourse? Therefore, Lies contribute to violence.

What cost to society arises from the willful proliferation of Lies? It takes time and money to analyze and unravel the deceitful information. And there must be a terrific cost if many fail to listen to the analysis and consider the impact of Falsehood on their opinions and decisions. What sort of sane person would want to make important decisions that are grounded in willful Falsehood?

Therefore, "you tell me" -- how do we reduce or eliminate the costs explained here?
 
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BonzaiDuck

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JUST AN AFTERTHOUGHT TO MY LONG POST -- ORIGINALLY INTENDED FOR IT

Religious institutions always had a dispensation in the tax law. You can speculate about how the Catholic Church had materially prospered as well as it has -- until the lawsuits over the diddling-little-boys thing. Can I express it in a more gentle way? Or does it not deserve my wording?

Now we have billionaires in West Texas, working through and with Evangelical churches in West Texas, attempting to undermine and more or less cripple or destroy the public school system. If you hadn't noticed, there are suddenly all these people attending school board meetings upset that teaching from a book like "To Kill A Mockingbird" may prepare their children with some sense of Tolerance that defeats parents' privilige to say "N****r" at the dinner table in discussions about themselves versus "Others".

Meanwhile, as I vaguely suggested, we have Bible-Thumping preachers on the local TV stations arguing the "One-Way Street" view of the 1st Amendment, and attempting to stack the Supremes so they can either "leave it to the states" or simply outlaw abortion for victims of rape and everybody else.

NOW. Let me say this. I don't give a good G**D**n about political perceptions, as some may say "We're being PURRR-secuted for bein' Christian". I want Justice. I want Justice as a Catholic and a believer in the Constitution and Common Sense -- the Bishops queuing up in line to ex-communicate me so I can't get the bread at Sunday Mass.

The government, the Democrats -- everyone on the "Secular" side of this dispute -- they don't want to rock the boat.

I DO.

Deny the tax exemption for religious organizations who publicly -- Publicly! -- engage in lecturing their flock about how to vote and whom to vote for.

Then -- put the teeth back in all tax-auditing and add these Offenders to the list of those meriting more than the attention of random selection under desired sample sizes.

And by that, I mean this: "TAKE your G**D**n Religion out of my Government, and stop offending everybody else who doesn't believe that fetuses have souls or that they don't exclusively belong to those who carry them. If you don't want abortion -- it's a matter of your personal Free Will -- just as it was discussed in this or that catechism: Don't get an abortion. If you don't believe it's within Moral common sense to allow a troubled teenager to have his Tool-Box Swap-out, don't have a sex change!

We also worship in the Church of the US Constitution with the very idea of Reason subscribed by the Founders. Either do the worship, or get the hell out. You can pursue your religious persecutions in Antarctica, where everything is White like God and accommodating to the Cold-Blooded Species of various kinds. See -- I can prove the cold-blooded insinuation insofar as Antarctica is concerned. But you can't prove anything about God or his complexion.
 
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dlerious

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Real journalists have guidelines and principles they must follow. I had to have a police Press I.D. In New York City, journalists can cross police lines with Working Press I.D's. You guys have any of those?
I knew freelancers who had no ID. It sounds like your ID was needed to cross a police line, not report news.
 

dlerious

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Project Veritas? LMAO

As Ive mentioned, there are always bad apples in the bunch. But you cant forget auditors like Sean Paul Reyas (Bay Area Transparency), Big Nick, and Amegansett press for all the good theyve done. Sean Reyas has even been asked to speak at police departments on this subject.
Watched Reyas until he started "auditing" weed dispensaries and promoting lawyers. Jason doesn't put out much content any more, but he focused on USPS mainly. I'll watch The Battousai (Phil Turner of Turner v Driver) and HonorYourOath (Jeff Gray).

For examples of what not to do there's Dummy Kruger and if you go down the sovcit/moor rabbit hole there's Van Balion and Arty's Corporate Fiction to get you started. Also like Audit The Audit and The Civil Rights Lawyer.
 

JEDIYoda

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So what exactly are these 1A Auditors doing that is illegal?
Since the cops will not root out the bad cops and almost 100% of the time when cops investigate themselves nothing ever happens to the bad cops. we need to step up and record these cops!
 

BonzaiDuck

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I love your posts.
I appreciate that, not sure today that anyone would pay any mind to the posts. I can sit here and peruse the "Politics and News" forum while the TV rambles on about some Republican's latest lie about an election process. Both ways, I get pissed off, so I vent.
 

Moonbeam

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I appreciate that, not sure today that anyone would pay any mind to the posts. I can sit here and peruse the "Politics and News" forum while the TV rambles on about some Republican's latest lie about an election process. Both ways, I get pissed off, so I vent.
Perhaps your argument is supportable. My father always told me that I have no mind and it doesn't matter.

I stopped watching the news. I have paid slight attention to who has won and lost. I spent years trying to get in touch with what I feel and not to feel at the same time those feeling as justified. In the fourth grade I designed an island like the one I was born on the purpose of which was to reign carnage on the world. But there is no real safety from the madness of the world. To live with rage that must not be expressed is death on the cross. It is obvious as hell to me you are a conscious fellow traveler. If you were a rocket you would be a heavy lifter.
 

blackangst1

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So what exactly are these 1A Auditors doing that is illegal?
Since the cops will not root out the bad cops and almost 100% of the time when cops investigate themselves nothing ever happens to the bad cops. we need to step up and record these cops!
Nothing. Most good autitors clearly state part of their goal is to educate not only police, but citizens. If you want enough of these you realize the average person thinks 1. recording in government buildings is illegal, and 2. they need to give their consent to be recorded. Both points are wrong. SCOTUS has ruled in United States v. Bucci, which held that there was no reasonable expectation of privacy in a person’s movements outside of and around their home—“An individual does not have an expectation of privacy in items or places he exposes to the public.”
 

blackangst1

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This is the video of Sean Paul Reyas giving a class at the Hubbard Police Dept. on 1A audits. Very good info.