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1999 war games foresaw problems in Iraq (AP)
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So you'd rather laugh at both the Bushwhackos and those calling to hold them accountable than actually do something constructive about it... for example, by casting a vote that just may stand a chance of really bringing about a change.
Good thinking. :roll:
The absolute first order of business is getting rid of the current Criminal In Chief. At least, you'll be doing the sane people the favor of squandering your vote and not voting for those who still support him.
BaliBabyDoc
Lifer
Fascinating . . . so the potential Representative, Senator, Governor from your district/state that happens to be a Democrat has been posting to P&N?
Seems like your priorities are a little out of order . . . as is your perspective. The atrocious government of the past 6 years is just as much a function of 'united' government as it is a function of bad ideas in general from Republicans. It's downright foolish to say you want the radical right out of power but your righteous indignation prevents you from favoring (or voting) for a narrow Democratic majority in Congress.
The President of the United States of America is currently spending millions of taxpayer dollars to criss-cross the nation giving a retread stump speech implying the terrorist mosh pit he created will 'win' if his failed policies are repudiated. Do you really want to enable him for another 2 years?
Just like we have fun pointing out wannabes like you, a Rebel without a Clue dressed in his trendy leathers sitting outside of Starbucks sipping on a Latte admiring his Jap Crap Harley Knockoff. The weather must be to cold for you posers to be out riding so you spend your time here teasing the Internet Armchair Warriors and the Anti Bush crowd. Maybe you could better spend your time getting some ink done to show off to the other Yuppie Bikers when the Orange County Choppers circus comes to town.
BoberFett
Lifer
Wow, I'm being stalked by Sonny Barger! What an honor! Hey, thanks for those Starbucks gift certificates, how did you know it was my favorite restaurant? Anytime you want to go Starbucks hopping, you be sure to let me know. I'll bring my Jap Crap, and you can bring your Yuppie Davidson. We can catch up on all the latest hollywood gossip and trade recipes. It'll be great!
My problem with the Democrats is that they don't seem to have any alternative policies. I think that is most likely because Iraq is so far beyond fixable that there ARE no good policies... but ah well. It does suck to see them going around yelling like Kodos "The politics of failure have failed! We must make them work again!"
Oh yeah, and sadly enough reasoned debate really really doesn't work in America. It probably never has. (See Carter, Jimmy; Gore, Al) Everyone is guilty of it. (this recent flap with Kerry was really really cynical and obviously meant to stifle reasoned debate) Sure the democrats are turds...but a lot of their flailing is due to the fact that they don't have the power to do much else. The republicans can't even act like responsible adults when they have all the power.
Oh yeah, and sadly enough reasoned debate really really doesn't work in America. It probably never has. (See Carter, Jimmy; Gore, Al) Everyone is guilty of it. (this recent flap with Kerry was really really cynical and obviously meant to stifle reasoned debate) Sure the democrats are turds...but a lot of their flailing is due to the fact that they don't have the power to do much else. The republicans can't even act like responsible adults when they have all the power.
Murtha didn't have an alternative?
Schumer didn't put forth anything today?
1) Stop policing a civil war
2) Make 2007 a year of transition. Pull some troops out of Iraq to nearby.
3) Train Iraqi security forces in the meantime.
Other Dems have said essentially the same as either of those two. There *is* a Dem plan out there but the "filter" keeps it from the public ears (or the public...er...Republicans...refuse to acknowledge it)
imported_Aelius
Golden Member
This made me LOL
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
With all due respect, all you've done in this thread is deflect legitimate discussion and act like a tool.
BoberFett
Lifer
With all due respect, this thread was full of people acting like tools long before I entered. Did you or did you not see the two posters I quoted initially fluffing each other before any real discussion actually took place? The closest thing to discussion before I got here was Rainsford's take. Everybody else was just congratulating each other on hating on Bush. The progression of threads in this forum is so formulaic, it's almost comical.
Bowfinger
Lifer
"As much damage is done by self-righteous do-gooders as by all the evil men in the world. It's the same sin, an unshakable conviction that "I am Right" and so no limits can apply."
Perhaps you should read your own .sig. If P&N isn't to your taste, you can always exercise your freedom of choice and read something else. Just a thought.
BoberFett
Lifer
Your complete lack of understanding is surprising, you're usually one of the more intelligent posters here. I don't think I'm right. I have my opinion, and that's all I have. Most of the posters here however see their opinion as fact. Not that any of that really has any bearing on the topic for which I'm being lambasted, which is the masturbatory rantings of a large portion of P&N.
Maybe I should just give up and try to fit in with the rest of the mob. Somebody hand me a pitchfork.
Boosh is teh devil! Boosh lied, people died! Down with Repugs! Boosh stole the election! Diebold!
Is that better? Feed me some slogans, and I'll work on my delivery.
UberNeuman
Lifer
I thought attacks weren't allowed?
If that were true based on what you quoted; 2/3 of P&N would become informative
kage69
Lifer
You owe me a new keyboard. :laugh:
...not to mention billions of dollars that could have been applied to Afghanistan, better Homeland Defense and Disaster Response, and all around upgrades for the military. Faith and support from friends abroad wouldn't have soured to the point that they have as well, of that I have no doubt.
As an anthropology student and history nut who has lived in the Middle East, I'm not so sure the current day scene in the ME is one that can be remedied with the presence of Americans. Idealogies are bulletproof: how many enlisted will we sacrifice to learn this again?
Now there is ample resason to believe that this admin purposefully ignored experience and reason to get us into a situation that will only consume money and life.
Having no exit plan itself is enough reason to expel an entire admin (breaking his vow of office is for another thread). Letting this hijacked party continue to call the shots should be unacceptable to every American, and I say that as someone who can't begin to quantify the fvck he doesn't give about the Dem Party.
We need change ASAP, it's just that simple.
Harvey said it perfectly,
🙁 I don't like knowing my country operates like this. There's something intrinsically fvct up about it, like gay gigolos hanging out in the White House.
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