1978 poll : When is rape OK?

[KentState]

Much simpler times.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Hold on a second, are we talking gift-from-god rape, Legitimate rape or just plain rape rape? It makes a difference.

You forgot to add rape by a black guy.

 

[skimple]

for this type of mentality.

This part has really been bugging me all morning.

What "mentality" is that? The idea that a woman may somehow be accountable for her actions?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, "NO MEANS NO" and all that...

But once upon a time, mothers used to teach their daughters not to get themselves into "vulnerable" situations. Naturally, some women then felt that if a girl let things "go too far", she deserved what happened. I think that is what you are seeing reflected in this poll.

I understand all of the victim/guilt psychology mumbo-jumbo that gets tossed around. But I think a lot of young women today walk a very dangerous line, assuming that their actions have no consequences as long as they say "No" in the end.

I think there are some important lessons that have been forgotten.

 

[HomerJS]

Hold on a second, are we talking gift-from-god rape, Legitimate rape or just plain rape rape? It makes a difference.

Now I get it. GOP thinks its still 1978.

 

[Platypus]

they had .org domains in 1978? laff

Confused on the date in the title here. That said, I didn't visit the site so perhaps it's explained there?

 

[poofyhairguy]

This part has really been bugging me all morning.

What "mentality" is that? The idea that a woman may somehow be accountable for her actions?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, "NO MEANS NO" and all that...

But once upon a time, mothers used to teach their daughters not to get themselves into "vulnerable" situations. Naturally, some women then felt that if a girl let things "go too far", she deserved what happened. I think that is what you are seeing reflected in this poll.

I understand all of the victim/guilt psychology mumbo-jumbo that gets tossed around. But I think a lot of young women today walk a very dangerous line, assuming that their actions have no consequences as long as they say "No" in the end.

I think there are some important lessons that have been forgotten.

 

[SlitheryDee]

This part has really been bugging me all morning.

What "mentality" is that? The idea that a woman may somehow be accountable for her actions?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, "NO MEANS NO" and all that...

But once upon a time, mothers used to teach their daughters not to get themselves into "vulnerable" situations. Naturally, some women then felt that if a girl let things "go too far", she deserved what happened. I think that is what you are seeing reflected in this poll.

I understand all of the victim/guilt psychology mumbo-jumbo that gets tossed around. But I think a lot of young women today walk a very dangerous line, assuming that their actions have no consequences as long as they say "No" in the end.

I think there are some important lessons that have been forgotten.

This argument occupies a weird place in my mind. I can't nail down a proper distribution of responsibility here. A very large percentage of men can get to a point of arousal that is hard to snap out of. I think that because most women don't ever experience anything approaching this, they assume that it's just as easy for a man to stop as it is a woman. Thankfully, most men can stop themselves, but it's not a trivial thing. It's like slamming the brakes on a passenger train that has nearly reached top speed. It will stop, but you're probably going to break something in the process. The woman's part of the blame lies somewhere in their seeming blissful unawareness of this. The man's part of the blame is still much larger because despite the difficulty she puts him through, he should always master his urges.

Why test him to his limits though? It's like beating a dog and then putting it down when it bites you for it.

 

[Rakehellion]

go read /r/GoneWildStories

the extent to which some women will go to GET raped is terrifying.

The BDSM community usually jumps all over those kinds of posts saying how dangerous it is both physically and legally, the need for a safeword, etc. But some of those women don't think setting it up beforehand in the BDSM approved safe way is "real" enough.

If they want it, it isn't rape.

 

[Red Storm]

This argument occupies a weird place in my mind. I can't nail down a proper distribution of responsibility here. A very large percentage of men can get to a point of arousal that is hard to snap out of. I think that because most women don't ever experience anything approaching this, they assume that it's just as easy for a man to stop as it is a woman. Thankfully, most men can stop themselves, but it's not a trivial thing. It's like slamming the brakes on a passenger train that has nearly reached top speed. It will stop, but you're probably going to break something in the process. The woman's part of the blame lies somewhere in their seeming blissful unawareness of this. The man's part of the blame is still much larger because despite the difficulty she puts him through, he should always master his urges.

Why test him to his limits though? It's like beating a dog and then putting it down when it bites you for it.

I think he's referring to things like nowadays a lot more girls dress like sluts but they get upset when they're ogled or thought of as sex objects. Rape is on an entirely different level of course. Doesn't matter if a girl is walking around naked, it doesn't justify any wrong action, but it certainly doesn't help to dress/talk/act provocatively.

 

[mikeford]

The problem is that we use the same word for a date gone sour as a person with their throat cut and left in a ditch.

 

[OutHouse]

the responses from the women is interesting.

 

[rivan]

they had .org domains in 1978? laff

Confused on the date in the title here. That said, I didn't visit the site so perhaps it's explained there?

They didn't, and it is semi-explained there. Whoever made the chart distorted (intentionally or unintentionally) the findings of the original study. From the site:

 

[OutHouse]

from fearus.org

However, the data in the picture that has been circulating has been misrepresented. The original study did not ask "Yes" or "No", but asked subjects on a five point scale. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find out specifically what each point was, other then at the two extremes were "Yes" and "No". For more information, see the infograph/chart below. - See more at: http://www.fearus.org/#sthash.ksOboL9t.dpuf

 

[JTsyo]

When you have them locked in their spawn.

 

[Platypus]

They didn't, and it is semi-explained there. Whoever made the chart distorted (intentionally or unintentionally) the findings of the original study. From the site:

Yeah the question was rhetorical/mocking

Thanks for the link though.

 

[KentState]

This argument occupies a weird place in my mind. I can't nail down a proper distribution of responsibility here. A very large percentage of men can get to a point of arousal that is hard to snap out of. I think that because most women don't ever experience anything approaching this, they assume that it's just as easy for a man to stop as it is a woman. Thankfully, most men can stop themselves, but it's not a trivial thing. It's like slamming the brakes on a passenger train that has nearly reached top speed. It will stop, but you're probably going to break something in the process. The woman's part of the blame lies somewhere in their seeming blissful unawareness of this. The man's part of the blame is still much larger because despite the difficulty she puts him through, he should always master his urges.

Why test him to his limits though? It's like beating a dog and then putting it down when it bites you for it.

I've never been worked up so much that halting the action is difficult by any stretch of the imagination. If a guy has to struggle stopping himself, then something is a little off.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I just realized that "when the person is a student" wasn't on that list. :hmm:

 

[SP33Demon]

I'd love to see the source for this.

Edit, nvm. Go to the URL in the pic:

However, the data in the picture that has been circulating has been misrepresented. The original study did not ask "Yes" or "No", but asked subjects on a five point scale. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find out specifically what each point was, other then at the two extremes were "Yes" and "No".

Faux rage against men not found. Probably created by some femtard.

Edit 2: Others in the thread beat me to the punch on this source.

 

[Scarpozzi]

You guys should actually visit that website for more information.

I'm not sure enough people on here will ever get close enough to a women for her to be in any danger.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I've never been worked up so much that halting the action is difficult by any stretch of the imagination. If a guy has to struggle stopping himself, then something is a little off.

Dunno. Maybe I've to a stronger than average libido. I've never come close to raping anyone, but I've definitely felt the pain of grappling with my sex drive after being told "enough". For me it's almost like coming down from an drug high.

 

[skimple]

This argument occupies a weird place in my mind.

Yeah, I know I'm walking a thin line here. I'm really only thinking about "date rape". I know that I'm an old f@ck, but when I grew up, the girls all knew there was "a line" that you didn't cross or the boy would expect sex.

I'm not so sure that girls think that line is there anymore.

 

[momeNt]

Hold on a second, are we talking gift-from-god rape, Legitimate rape or just plain rape rape? It makes a difference.

angry much? My guess is you have studied a lot about biology, evolution, and things that refute the bible. Yet I doubt you have done any studying of the bible, but here you are, going around acting as if you understand it.

Much roffles to be had, I thank you for that.

 

[SlitheryDee]

angry much? My guess is you have studied a lot about biology, evolution, and things that refute the bible. Yet I doubt you have done any studying of the bible, but here you are, going around acting as if you understand it.

Much roffles to be had, I thank you for that.

Would God have stopped if Mary said no?

 

[dougp]

angry much? My guess is you have studied a lot about biology, evolution, and things that refute the bible. Yet I doubt you have done any studying of the bible, but here you are, going around acting as if you understand it.

Much roffles to be had, I thank you for that.

Uh, he was making a joke.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Yeah, I know I'm walking a thin line here. I'm really only thinking about "date rape". I know that I'm an old f@ck, but when I grew up, the girls all knew there was "a line" that you didn't cross or the boy would expect sex.

I'm not so sure that girls think that line is there anymore.

They still know that there is that line, they just also know that expecting sex does not give men the right to take it by force.

This is also why the current trend is to teach young men that consent is not enough, they need enthusiastic consent.