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1966 Mustang Restoration

drbrock

Golden Member
I currently have a 66' coupe that I would like to restore from ground up. More of a restomod rather than original. I was thinking a 302 with Carb. The car is in good condition now. no rust but only has a 200 3 speed. Boring to drive around and no car seats does not allow me to make this a daily driver. I also would like to upgrade uspension and the interior to a more modern look and feel.

How do you find a shop to do something like this? Are there shops that deal with only mustangs?

 
Good luck with the project, make sure you and the shop sign a lot of legal paperwork covering the cash amount, length of the repair and consequences for the shop in case the project is not completed in 5 or 10 years. Since this won't be cheap, I advise you to hire a lawyer to help with the paperwork. The cash amount invested in the car is going to be an interesting subject (hard to predict expenses). Be ready to stop by the shop on a regular basis to check the project, harass the owner to speed it up etc. etc. Of course, the shop will have a few more cars to restore like yours and will load you up with a bunch of excuses why your car hasn't been worked on ...

I guess a word of mouth, a recommendation from someone you know, can help you find the right place to trust.
 
Yeah, Darom is right. Rather than take it to a shop, you should find a friend with some mechanical experience and take on the job yourselves. Sounds like you're talking an engine and transmission swap and some interior work, which on a 1966 isn't too hard to do. Plus there's a lot of newly manufactured resto parts for Mustangs so if you've got the money to spend you won't need to go find a donor car to pull parts from.
If it were me and I had the dough I'd get a crate motor and transmission that is made to bolt right up. Then for the interior if we're talking recovering seats and door panels, I'd pull them out myself and take them to an upholstery shop. Head liner you can replace yourself,pretty sure they sell them for that car and if you're gonna go nuts and make a new gauge cluster maybe look and see what kind of pre-fab options are available aftermarket. Then pick what gauges you want to use.
Suspension is pretty easy to do yourself too. The only specialized tool beyond what a standard mechanics set from Sears would have would be the spring compressor. Depending on the car, they can be pretty specific, or just the standard compressor you can rent from Autozone.
 
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Yeah, Darom is right. Rather than take it to a shop, you should find a friend with some mechanical experience and take on the job yourselves. Sounds like you're talking an engine and transmission swap and some interior work, which on a 1966 isn't too hard to do. Plus there's a lot of newly manufactured resto parts for Mustangs so if you've got the money to spend you won't need to go find a donor car to pull parts from.
If it were me and I had the dough I'd get a crate motor and transmission that is made to bolt right up. Then for the interior if we're talking recovering seats and door panels, I'd pull them out myself and take them to an upholstery shop. Head liner you can replace yourself,pretty sure they sell them for that car and if you're gonna go nuts and make a new gauge cluster maybe look and see what kind of pre-fab options are available aftermarket. Then pick what gauges you want to use.
Suspension is pretty easy to do yourself too. The only specialized tool beyond what a standard mechanics set from Sears would have would be the spring compressor. Depending on the car, they can be pretty specific, or just the standard compressor you can rent from Autozone.

Jegs has a 302 crate motor for pretty cheap. I'm not a Ford guy, but I'm fairly certain this would bolt right up to the mounts on a 66'.

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Only way to know for sure is to research enough to know how to do it all yourself, then choose to pay someone else to do it if it's more convenient. Then you personally know what to look for in someone else's shop.

The possibilities are endless. Everything from a modern EFI engine to bolt in 4 wheel independent suspension setups and disc brakes, etc.

It's a pretty cool concept, taking an old classic car and making it as reliable and handle as well as a modern car. I think my favorite has to be this '70 Challenger built up with the 6.1 Hemi from a SRT-8, custom aluminum sub frames with front and rear double wishbones, 6 piston 14" brakes, 18" wheels, hand stitched interior, etc. It can get pricey in a hurry.
 
Since your in North Carolina which is not BFE you should probably attend a few classic car-shows and ask some people where they had their car done.

From what I understand it is much cheaper to buy someone elses finished project than to ever start your own unless you can do (pain, body, mechanical) yourself.

There is a reason every car show has multiple cars which read "$XX,XXX invested with sell for 60% of receipts". Paying guys $75+ an hour gets real expensive real quick!



 
You can do most of this restoration work yourself, except for body repairs. That is where it gets tricky and the real skill comes into play. Same for patching in things like new floors pans, sheet metal, etc, as that requires some fab work and skill with a welder. But you can do the running gear, suspension and chassis frame cleanup, install new bushings, brakes, engine, tranny yourself. Interior work depends on how bad it is and if you just plan to drop in OEM replacement parts. Otherwise, it goes to an interior shop to do the fit and finish work.
Same for body painting. It is a skill not everybody has or can master. And just a caution, the early Mustangs had horrible wiring and with the age of your car, you can be sure the entire harness needs to be upgraded, for reliability and safety.
 
See my signature 😉

If you aren't able to do the restoration yourself and you don't have a friend or family member that can help you out, find a shop that you can trust and that will work with you. You'll find many shops either want to force you to spend more cash than necessary, or want to do things completely their way. Look around for recommendations.

As far as the fun factor goes, a V8 is the only way to go unless you want to do something radical like a twin turbo straight six. 289s and 302s are a dime a dozen in many places (except out west, apparently), and you can build them up pretty reasonably without blowing a ton of cash. I'm estimating I'll spend $2-3k total on mine, and I will hopefully be in the ballpark of 350 HP. Engines in this family include the 289 (the original V8 for '64-68 Mustangs, IIRC, alongside the 302 and 351 from '67-69 and forward), 302, 331 stroker, and 347 stroker. Essentially, they're all the same engine with a different crank and therefore different stroke length. 351 Windsor (351w) blocks will also fit, though it may be tight without some exhaust modification. There are 351w stroker kits in the range of 408-427ish, but you'll need to significantly strengthen the car for it to withstand the torque. 351 Cleveland engines (351c) might fit with extensive exhaust modification, but most agree it's not worth the effort - there are more aftermarket parts for the Windsor anyway. Finally, big blocks (390, 427, 428, 429, 460, etc.) will NOT fit in a '66 without spreading the shock towers (a very extensive and radical mod). If you want to run a big block, pick up a '67 or later.

As far as transmissions go, you can look around for an original 4-speed toploader (I bought three, since they were getting hard to find) in decent shape, or retrofit a Tremec T5, TKO series, or AOD if you're into automatics. The 4-speed toploaders were absolutely bullet proof, and will bolt right up as long as you have the correct bellhousing, linkage, etc. T5s, TKOs, and similar transmissions will require some modifications to the car (I'm not exactly sure what, I haven't considered one myself), but will eventually bolt in. T5s are a dime a dozen, but they're much weaker than the toploader or the TKO. Generally speaking, if you want it to be era-correct, get a toploader. If you want a fifth (overdrive) gear to keep the highway RPMs down, get a T5 (inexpensive but weak), or a TKO (expensive but strong). You're lucky to already have a manual car - the clutch and brake pedal assemblies are extremely hard to come by (unless you find a donor car). I paid $135 for mine, since no one that I know of makes an aftermarket solution.

Finally, doing a V8 swap isn't as simple as taking out the old and dropping in the new. You'll need to swap in V8 spindles and convert over to 5 lugs, and you'll want to trash the stock 7.5" differential and grab an 8" from a '65-66, or a 9" if you can find one. The 8" is plenty for general street cruising and below, say, 300-350 HP. If you're running slicks, considering a turbo or blower in the future, or dropping the clutch at every light, you're going to want to upgrade to a 9". The 9" rear ends are fabled for their strength, and are used in hundreds of projects - drag racing, offroad trucks and jeeps, Fords (obviously), Chevys, Mopar, etc. They're also very hard to find for a '66, since our cars are narrower than the '67 and on. The '65-66 9" rears also had tapered axle tubes due to the smaller shock plates and U bolts. IIRC, they only came as an option on GTs, or standard in Shelbys. On the other hand, you can also get a wider 9" from a '67 and on and modify it to fit, or even do some heavy modification to a newer 8.8".

I'm sure unless you're a car nut or have already done some extensive research your head is starting to spin. There's a lot to learn (I'm 2 years into the project; started with a rust bucket that needed a LOT of attention), but it can be extremely enjoyable. Don't expect to have the fastest, safest car in the world and certainly don't expect to ever get whatever money you invest in it back. Do expect to turn a lot of heads and get a lot of comments, though. They're only about 2600 lbs stock, so with a semi-build 289 or 302 (heads, cam, intake, lighter pistons, stronger rods), a decent transmission, a stronger differential, and a better final gear ration (~3.55-3.73 for a 4 speed, 3.73-4.11 for a 5 speed), you can have a lot of fun for not a lot of cash.

Edit: I forgot to mention that upgrading the suspension is a good idea. You don't need to go all out and get IRS, tubular control arms, etc. Some stiffer springs, better shocks, newer leaf springs, a Monte Carlo bar, export brace, and subframe connectors will go a long way to stiffening the car up and making the ride much more enjoyable. Everyone I've talked to said subframe connectors were the absolute best thing they ever did with their car.

Mustangs Unlimited is a great place to buy parts (I'm lucky enough to have one ~30 minutes away, but you can order online as well), and it's hard to beat Summit Racing for aftermarket engine parts. For bigger things like transmissions, junk yards and swap meets are your best bet, unless you want to throw down two grand on something "new." Finally, MustangForums.com has a wealth of information in the classic car section.
 
http://30moons.com/cars66GT.php

My dad and I did this as my first car.

Was painted yellow in front of a liquor store at the time, but amazingly in good shape. Had 'factory' air, pony interior, GT package, etc....not much rust anywhere.

We then found an early 64.5 or 65 (I forget) which had a rally pack, and only 23,000 miles on it for $500. The drawback was the body was shot due to the car being misplaced in a dirt floored storage facilty and left there. This was found out when the original owner passed away and his son went to get this 'cherry'. He was still in a lawsuit at the time.

Anyway...we did work out a deal with a body shop to allow us to do most of the work and they'd spray stuff and do bodywork to the car. I spent the first few month gutting the car down to just it's body. I wirebrushed/cleaned every bolt/screw/fastener.

At the time there was several companies to order parts and Ford has tons of NOS in inventory. Some of the parts the reproduction items were actually better like the pony interior covers and the door handles I bought. I picked up the GT lights, exhaust tips and rings from a Ford dealership. New carpet was better in reproduction. I traded the a/c out of the 1965 to have the one in the 1966 rebuilt for free.

Engine we modernized with mild components like an Edelbrock Performer intake / carb...simple headers and a upgraded GT exhaust. I put the factory wire hubcaps under my bed and picked up a set of ARE wheels and GT Qualifiers.

Took about 6 months I think.

 
Too bad you live so far away as I would be glad to help you. I do all my own work and make plenty of custom parts to update them. Shops are going to charge you a ton for work that may not be all that great. With labor rates so high it just is not feasible to have someone else restore a car for you unless you are loaded and don't mind spending more than the car is worth. Do some networking with the local Mustang Club and join if you are not a member. Start going to events and pick people's brains for ideas and advice. I guarantee you will meet some people that will help you if you need it and you will make some new friends and have a great time along the way. Most of the good friends I have are car guys I met and then helped them build their car.
 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Too bad you live so far away as I would be glad to help you. I do all my own work and make plenty of custom parts to update them. Shops are going to charge you a ton for work that may not be all that great. With labor rates so high it just is not feasible to have someone else restore a car for you unless you are loaded and don't mind spending more than the car is worth. Do some networking with the local Mustang Club and join if you are not a member. Start going to events and pick people's brains for ideas and advice. I guarantee you will meet some people that will help you if you need it and you will make some new friends and have a great time along the way. Most of the good friends I have are car guys I met and then helped them build their car.

Where are you located? Just curious.

Also, what's the 30 MPG coupe you're working on... a straight 6 project? I've been itching to do something with one of those, but haven't had the money or time.
 
Originally posted by: CurseTheSky
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Too bad you live so far away as I would be glad to help you. I do all my own work and make plenty of custom parts to update them. Shops are going to charge you a ton for work that may not be all that great. With labor rates so high it just is not feasible to have someone else restore a car for you unless you are loaded and don't mind spending more than the car is worth. Do some networking with the local Mustang Club and join if you are not a member. Start going to events and pick people's brains for ideas and advice. I guarantee you will meet some people that will help you if you need it and you will make some new friends and have a great time along the way. Most of the good friends I have are car guys I met and then helped them build their car.

Where are you located? Just curious.

Also, what's the 30 MPG coupe you're working on... a straight 6 project? I've been itching to do something with one of those, but haven't had the money or time.

I'm in Houston, and the coupe is a 6 cylinder but it is not an inline. I can actually set up and tune a fuel injected 302 to get almost 30 mpg. The coupe is going to be a fun car because not only will it get damn good mileage it should be faster than any of the V8 Mustangs you could get in 1966...probably even the Shelby.
 
the full restoration for my 1966 GT which was already in good shape to begin with ended up around $60k parts and labor (most of which we did ourselves). Paint was a big part of that...That was in 1990 dollars.
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
the full restoration for my 1966 GT which was already in good shape to begin with ended up around $60k parts and labor (most of which we did ourselves). Paint was a big part of that...That was in 1990 dollars.

Yep. It depends a lot on what you're looking to do with the car. If you want to fully restore it to "show" condition, you'll need to shell out some big bucks. If you just want a fun weekend car and don't care about it being perfect, you can easily get away with $5-10k, depending on the original condition.

Being 23 and just out of college (21 when I bought it), I wanted a fun project to work on and a nice car to drive afterwards. I bought the car for $2800, and I've spent a combined total of about $4-5k so far. When it's finished, I figure the entire car will have cost me $7-8k for "mild" performance. If I decide I want more power, it'll quickly shoot up to $11-13k.

The most important part (for me) is the fact that the car, aside from a cheaper paint job in the end, looks like it was professionally restored from the ground up. There's no body filler over large gaps, hidden rusted metal, or other problems that are simply covered up. Everything has been doing 100% the right way; no corners cut at all. My girlfriend's father being retired from autobody / automotive in general has a LOT to do with that, though. If I was paying for all of the labor, I'd have spent double or more already. Instead, I just get to buy him all of the tools he wants - it works out great for both of us. 🙂
 
Thanks everyone for all the help. My profile says I live in North Carolina but I actually live in West Palm Beach Fl.
I called around and found one shop that would be most likely be good fit. I have to decide between two engine the 289 or the 302. The 351 is just too much engine for me. The plus of the 289 is that it is period correct along with having a 3 year 100k warranty. But the 302 has many more parts availble for it and a little more horsepower.

The tranny is going to be the 4 speed. CursetheSky gave some great info on that. He steered me away from the 5 speed since it is weak. You don't buy into a sports cars with a weak tranny lol. The 9" rear end will also be added. Because I want to make this at least as quick as a current GT or faster. Do you guys know what is a realistic performance 0-60?

I will let you know how much I get a quote for.
 
Originally posted by: drbrock
Thanks everyone for all the help. My profile says I live in North Carolina but I actually live in West Palm Beach Fl.
I called around and found one shop that would be most likely be good fit. I have to decide between two engine the 289 or the 302. The 351 is just too much engine for me. The plus of the 289 is that it is period correct along with having a 3 year 100k warranty. But the 302 has many more parts availble for it and a little more horsepower.

The tranny is going to be the 4 speed. CursetheSky gave some great info on that. He steered me away from the 5 speed since it is weak. You don't buy into a sports cars with a weak tranny lol. The 9" rear end will also be added. Because I want to make this at least as quick as a current GT or faster. Do you guys know what is a realistic performance 0-60?

I will let you know how much I get a quote for.

The world class t-5 can handle quite a bit of stress, there is a place that specializes in conversion kits for older mustangs. They also do tremec 5 and 6 speeds. Try a search for Modern Driveline 5 speed transmission swap, I can't seem to get a link in correctly. They can tell you what you need to do to make everything fit. As soon as I win the lotto I'm going to put a Tremec 6 speed in the Mach 1.
 
Originally posted by: 69Mach1
The world class t-5 can handle quite a bit of stress, there is a place that specializes in conversion kits for older mustangs. They also do tremec 5 and 6 speeds. Try a search for Modern Driveline 5 speed transmission swap, I can't seem to get a link in correctly. They can tell you what you need to do to make everything fit. As soon as I win the lotto I'm going to put a Tremec 6 speed in the Mach 1.

This website seems to have some great information: http://www.moderndriveline.com...al_Bits/t5_history.htm

Depending on what your goals are, you may be able to get away with a T-5. Many of the newer ones (1990 and onward) can handle upwards of 300 ft/lbs of torque, with some even going much higher than that. If you're planning to make this a street car, a World Class T-5 may be plenty. However, if you're planning to build a real monster or take it to the strip from time to time, I'd suggest the toploader or a TKO. Unfortunately I don't know what the toploaders are rated at for ft/lbs, but the general consensus is that they're bullet proof.

 
Most that talk about a 5 speed being weak are never going to push to the limits anyway. I'd take a less 5 speed over a bullet proof top loader for any type of daily driver anyday.

 
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