Question 1950X or 9900K? Accounting Office Use/Conference Meetings

[drbrock]

Building a New comp. Currently have a surface book 1 with an i5 and it is an utter piece of crap that gets bogged down with even a zoom meeting. I hear the fans spinning up as soon as the video turns on. Even chrome is starting to fail. I thought the it was a ram issue but the CPU is what is getting maxed out.

Going to go all in for a mini itx board with a lian li oddysey case.

I am torn between the threadripper and the 9900k. I rarely do gaming as I work way too much. So think microsoft office, quickbooks, OBS studio for making videos occasionally. I do have a billion different tabs and programs open at the same time. So I will probably pair the cpu with a 1070 or 1080. I have a 1070 now that works well in another build. Maybe even do a vega?

Will the clock speed of the threadripper be underwhelming vs the 5.0 of 9900k? My plan was to run all of the 9900k cores at 5.0.

I am a red team guy so if I am getting the same performance out of the cpus I will most likely go with AMD.

Here is the general build so far.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b8LCnH

 

[Markfw]

For office use and the like, no difference. BUT for OBS studio and any other software, the threadripper will kill the 9900k. I would go the 2950x as it auto clocks higher.


Also, you will have the IO lanes, and can run native 3-4 m.2 at full speed. You would only have to use a regular hard drive for archive type storage.

 

[Indus]

Threadripper is awesome for multi threaded workloads. Before you purchase it make sure your programs can use that many threads!

A nice balance generally for hybrid productivity and light gaming is to go with a Ryzen 2700x. You will have more than enough for all the programs you list IMO. And that fits your saying you're a red team guy. Also no point spending $450 for a 9900k when you might get the same performance for $230 with the Ryzen 3000 series in a few months as is rumored.

However if you game a lot on the same system (especially older games which are going to benefit from extreme clock speeds) go with the 9900k.

P.S. 1070 sounds just fine for you. And I would honestly go with the 2700x and use the 1070 and drop in a 3rd gen Ryzen or better later.

 

[Indus]

For office use and the like, no difference. BUT for OBS studio and any other software, the threadripper will kill the 9900k. I would go the 2950x as it auto clocks higher.


Also, you will have the IO lanes, and can run native 3-4 m.2 at full speed. You would only have to use a regular hard drive for archive type storage.

Just saw your sig.. omg you have 7 threadrippers?

 

[drbrock]

I thought the 2700x as well. I was just worried it wouldn't have enough horse power if I was doing green screens during meetings and everything. I just want stupid fast. I would like to wait for the ryzen 3 but this surface book is killing me. Worst computer purchase in a long long time

 

[Indus]

Well a Ryzen 2700x is gonna give you 4.3ghz boost with a 3.7 base.. its not like its running at 1.6 ghz base with an occasional boost like the surface book.

The threadripper is gonna have lower clocks AFAIK.

Give it 32GB of ram or more and it should be able to handle just about everything IMO.

 

[drbrock]

32GB is it lol

 

[drbrock]

Actually it looks like no mini itx for threadripper. I guess 9900k or 2700x. That really sucks.

 

[Jimzz]

Make sure the mini-itx support the CPUs you are looking at. Many only support mid to lower level powered CPUs.
I believe most X470/B450 boards will run the 2700x fine but some Intel m-itx boards are power limited and do not support higher end chips.

 

[scannall]

Actually it looks like no mini itx for threadripper. I guess 9900k or 2700x. That really sucks.

It's unlikely that there is a mini itx board that could handle an overclocked 9900K.

There is a Micro-ATX for Threadripper though. Taichi Micro-ATX

 

[Markfw]

It's unlikely that there is a mini itx board that could handle an overclocked 9900K.

There is a Micro-ATX for Threadripper though. Taichi Micro-ATX

Yes. Also, going X399 allows for much greater future upgrading when you need more threads.

As for as the threadrippers, yes, I have 5 1950x's a 2970wx and a 2990wx.

 

[scannall]

Looking at that case, while I'd agree that it is very cool looking I doubt you could get a big enough radiator into it to run a 9900K with much of any overclock at all. Maybe not even at stock.

 

[Markfw]

Looking at that case, while I'd agree that it is very cool looking I doubt you could get a big enough radiator into it to run a 9900K with much of any overclock at all. Maybe not even at stock.

I have a 2960x 24 core/48 thread running on an air cooler. I have no idea what would fit, as I can't find that case or even prices on pcpartpicker.

 

[scannall]

I have a 2960x 24 core/48 thread running on an air cooler. I have no idea what would fit, as I can't find that case or even prices on pcpartpicker.

Found the case. Lian Li PC-Y6 It only takes a low profile air cooler. I think that rules out the 9900K. I'd be reluctant to go over a 65 watt CPU in that. But maybe a 95 watt 2600X? That might be pushing too hard though.

 

[Markfw]

Found the case. Lian Li PC-Y6 It only takes a low profile air cooler. I think that rules out the 9900K. I'd be reluctant to go over a 65 watt CPU in that. But maybe a 95 watt 2600X? That might be pushing too hard though.

Well, it looks cool, but it sure limits his options. I would just go for a different case.

 

[drbrock]

Found the case. Lian Li PC-Y6 It only takes a low profile air cooler. I think that rules out the 9900K. I'd be reluctant to go over a 65 watt CPU in that. But maybe a 95 watt 2600X? That might be pushing too hard though.

Do you think watercooling can work for those CPU's? Would be kinda funny having water cooled for a boat case. Have an office on the water. Want the case for a statement piece.

 

[Markfw]

The water cooling would have to be all external. No way is there room for even a 240 rad.

 

[scannall]

Do you think watercooling can work for those CPU's? Would be kinda funny having water cooled for a boat case. Have an office on the water. Want the case for a statement piece.

As Mark said, it'd have to be external somewhere. Paint it like an aquarium?

 

[amd6502]

threatripper or 2700. With billion tabs you want to go all out on RAM.

 

[Shmee]

For the use you are describing, I would go with an AM4 board and then you could always upgrade the CPU to a 3000 Ryzen series when they come out. Only thing is with more than 16 GB of RAM, you may have trouble running it at higher speeds on current Ryzen chips.

 

[DrMrLordX]

For the use you are describing, I would go with an AM4 board and then you could always upgrade the CPU to a 3000 Ryzen series when they come out. Only thing is with more than 16 GB of RAM, you may have trouble running it at higher speeds on current Ryzen chips.

Spot on about the RAM limitations. Ryzen 1xxx and 2xxx CPUs all have problems with higher memory densities. If you want 32GB done right, today, you have to go Threadripper if you're in the AMD camp.

A 2950x or 2920x on that Taichi Micro-ATX would be a good place to start.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Spot on about the RAM limitations. Ryzen 1xxx and 2xxx CPUs all have problems with higher memory densities.

I found out the "hard way", when I doubled-up on my Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 kit (runs at 2933 in my ASRock AB350M Pro4), and I couldn't run them stably, or even POST, at higher than 2400.

Now I'm running a single kit of GSkill DDR4-3000 @ 3000, in some Gigabyte AX370-Gaming ATX boards. (That's with a Ryzen 1000-series CPU in both boxes.)

 

[Indus]

Spot on about the RAM limitations. Ryzen 1xxx and 2xxx CPUs all have problems with higher memory densities. If you want 32GB done right, today, you have to go Threadripper if you're in the AMD camp.

A 2950x or 2920x on that Taichi Micro-ATX would be a good place to start.

I never had any problems with my Asrock X370 board and 1st gen Ryzen regarding memory quantity. 32 GB ran fine from the start.

The only thing I checked before I bought the parts were the QVL. Infact I'm now running 32GB DDR-2400 @ DDR-2800 speeds.

Are you sure that problem that you're talking about is not limited to a few boards?

 

[Indus]

For the use you are describing, I would go with an AM4 board and then you could always upgrade the CPU to a 3000 Ryzen series when they come out. Only thing is with more than 16 GB of RAM, you may have trouble running it at higher speeds on current Ryzen chips.

Not in my experience with AsRock X370 and 1st gen ryzen.. read above.

 

[Shmee]

That is good, but I by high speed I was meaning really 3000MHz and above. There are lots of kits 3200MHz, and up to 4000 or even higher. Ryzen 1 and 2 seems to cap around 3600 period from what I hear.