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Warranty and 24hr (4hr?) on site service are two rocking reasons to go Dell for business. But maybe you don't need to worry about that stuff. Lucky you.
- That's a good reason, but the cost would be a LOT higher just to go with dell for their on site service that costs extra. Most computers come with 1 yr warranty, onsite service costs a LOT extra. I already have a good warranty on most, if not all parts. The onsite service wouldn't be worth the price I would pay for the actual computer. If Dell has a 40% off again, I will grab a killer machine.
And what's with the smile about overclocking? Are you saying it doesn't wear out the hardware faster? I was under the impression that it increases risks, and decreases lifespan.
- That's a good reason, but the cost would be a LOT higher just to go with dell for their on site service that costs extra. Most computers come with 1 yr warranty, onsite service costs a LOT extra. I already have a good warranty on most, if not all parts. The onsite service wouldn't be worth the price I would pay for the actual computer. If Dell has a 40% off again, I will grab a killer machine.
And what's with the smile about overclocking? Are you saying it doesn't wear out the hardware faster? I was under the impression that it increases risks, and decreases lifespan.
t3h l337 n3wb
Platinum Member
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Whoops, messed up, better post below anyways.
Whoops, messed up, better post below anyways.
Originally posted by: Mr Bob
Warranty and 24hr (4hr?) on site service are two rocking reasons to go Dell for business. But maybe you don't need to worry about that stuff. Lucky you.
- That's a good reason, but the cost would be a LOT higher just to go with dell for their on site service that costs extra. Most computers come with 1 yr warranty, onsite service costs a LOT extra. I already have a good warranty on most, if not all parts. The onsite service wouldn't be worth the price I would pay for the actual computer. If Dell has a 40% off again, I will grab a killer machine.
So you don't have to worry about uptime?
And what's with the smile about overclocking? Are you saying it doesn't wear out the hardware faster? I was under the impression that it increases risks, and decreases lifespan.
I don't think it really does, but I also wouldn't do it on a system for business. If you take your time and be careful with the overclocking it shouldn't adversely affect anything. As long as you keep the PCI bus and stuff at default speeds anyhow.
If you look at the excel file again, you will see I have 4 drives running raid1.
36GB will be enough to store all of the apps, but it would be better to run not only the apps, but also the files you use often (such as images for editing) on the main drive. I run just about everything I need to on my 74GB. If you had one, you would know how fast it is, and how nice it is to have such a quick drive. My music, images, templates, etc are on my 250GB, that is about 40% full. These are the items used to backup the 74GB, plus files I don't use quite so often.
Have a suggestion for another board without SLI?
Expensive doesn't mean best, but I would told that PSU was high quality...
36GB will be enough to store all of the apps, but it would be better to run not only the apps, but also the files you use often (such as images for editing) on the main drive. I run just about everything I need to on my 74GB. If you had one, you would know how fast it is, and how nice it is to have such a quick drive. My music, images, templates, etc are on my 250GB, that is about 40% full. These are the items used to backup the 74GB, plus files I don't use quite so often.
Have a suggestion for another board without SLI?
Expensive doesn't mean best, but I would told that PSU was high quality...
t3h l337 n3wb
Platinum Member
HIGH PRICE != QUALITY! XClio is a very good company that makes many things, including OEM's for Antec, Zalman HSF's, Sparkle, Fortron, and many other things. It's a great PSU with dual 12V rails. Common sense implies that apps should be kept on the Raptor for faster performance, while big data/multimedia files should be put on a seperate, bigger, hard drive. You should have no problem fitting the OS and the apps listed above on a 36GB Raptor. The Lian Li case I suggested has 4 hard drive bays. You have 2 listed. 4 - 2 = 2, not 0. SLI is a complete waste of money too. If you're going to be getting ONE 6600GT, there's no point in getting SLI. SLI is pretty much just for crazy people obsessed about benchmarks. SLI boards cost ~$40 more than non-SLI. I recommend the MSI Neo-4 Platinum, which can be had for ~$140. 8 SATA ports, NF4 Ultra chipset, gigabit ethernet, and lots of other nice features. If you do get the 3200+ CPU, buy a Venice. Winchesters will run 4x512 @ 333Mhz, while a Venice can run them all @ 400Mhz. Venice is only literally a couple dollars more anyways. I can tell from the rig in your sig that you like to throw money away... Unless the company you're building for wants to waste a couple hundred dollars, you should probably reconsider some of those parts.
t3h l337 n3wb
Platinum Member
WTF why aren't my posts showing up?!
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Why do you have another gigantic hard drive then if it's only 40% full? I don't have a Raptor because I'm intelligent and want to spend the money elsewhere. 74GB Raptor = $183. 80GB 7200.8 hard drive = ~$55. That's $130 to spend on other things. I could buy another gig of decent quality RAM for that much. Or, I could uprade from a 3200+ Winnie to a 3700+ Clawhammer. The extra CPU speed would probably make up for the HDD speed anyways. Or, I could buy 4 80GB hard drives for ~$220, just a bit more than the Raptor. Put them in RAID 10, which would stripe the data AND back it up, so it would be very secure and fast. That's double the size of a single Raptor for less than 1.5x the cost. Raptors are a total waste of money. Just look at the benchmarks. The performance just isn't justified by the cost.
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Why do you have another gigantic hard drive then if it's only 40% full? I don't have a Raptor because I'm intelligent and want to spend the money elsewhere. 74GB Raptor = $183. 80GB 7200.8 hard drive = ~$55. That's $130 to spend on other things. I could buy another gig of decent quality RAM for that much. Or, I could uprade from a 3200+ Winnie to a 3700+ Clawhammer. The extra CPU speed would probably make up for the HDD speed anyways. Or, I could buy 4 80GB hard drives for ~$220, just a bit more than the Raptor. Put them in RAID 10, which would stripe the data AND back it up, so it would be very secure and fast. That's double the size of a single Raptor for less than 1.5x the cost. Raptors are a total waste of money. Just look at the benchmarks. The performance just isn't justified by the cost.
"HIGH PRICE != QUALITY! XClio is a very good company that makes many things, including OEM's for Antec, Zalman HSF's, Sparkle, Fortron, and many other things. It's a great PSU with dual 12V rails."
- Once again, Expensive doesn't mean best, but I was told that PSU was high quality...
"Common sense implies that apps should be kept on the Raptor for faster performance, while big data/multimedia files should be put on a seperate, bigger, hard drive."
- Maybe to you, but then again, you thought you could get 1800 worht of parts for $1000, lol. I would use the raptor as much as possible, because it is faster. Why put only your apps on it, if you can fit a lot of other stuff? I guess the only reason would be because of your "common sense".
"Why do you have another gigantic hard drive then if it's only 40% full?"
- Because I need the space.
"I don't have a Raptor because I'm intelligent and want to spend the money elsewhere."
- No, you don't ahve it because you dont have the money to afford it. I got mine for $170 a few months ago, the speed increase is easily noticed. I don't want to up
"Or, I could uprade from a 3200+ Winnie to a 3700+ Clawhammer. The extra CPU speed would probably make up for the HDD speed anyways."
- Sounds like your "common sense" again.. Let's get rid of the hard drive to save money, and instead spend an extra $160 on a faster CPU to make up for the hard drive. I have heard the 3200 is a great CPU, and about the best one for a business computer.
You are not going to be able to prove raptors are a waste of money. I have seen a significant increase in speed when switching from the Barracuda to the Raptor. Provide all the benchmarks you wish, but you will just waste your time...
- Once again, Expensive doesn't mean best, but I was told that PSU was high quality...
"Common sense implies that apps should be kept on the Raptor for faster performance, while big data/multimedia files should be put on a seperate, bigger, hard drive."
- Maybe to you, but then again, you thought you could get 1800 worht of parts for $1000, lol. I would use the raptor as much as possible, because it is faster. Why put only your apps on it, if you can fit a lot of other stuff? I guess the only reason would be because of your "common sense".
"Why do you have another gigantic hard drive then if it's only 40% full?"
- Because I need the space.
"I don't have a Raptor because I'm intelligent and want to spend the money elsewhere."
- No, you don't ahve it because you dont have the money to afford it. I got mine for $170 a few months ago, the speed increase is easily noticed. I don't want to up
"Or, I could uprade from a 3200+ Winnie to a 3700+ Clawhammer. The extra CPU speed would probably make up for the HDD speed anyways."
- Sounds like your "common sense" again.. Let's get rid of the hard drive to save money, and instead spend an extra $160 on a faster CPU to make up for the hard drive. I have heard the 3200 is a great CPU, and about the best one for a business computer.
You are not going to be able to prove raptors are a waste of money. I have seen a significant increase in speed when switching from the Barracuda to the Raptor. Provide all the benchmarks you wish, but you will just waste your time...
t3h l337 n3wb
Platinum Member
You have just ignored my other substitution for the Raptor RAID 1 array you will be using. 4 80GB hard drives in RAID 1+0. 2x the storage space for about 60% the cost and just as fast, since it is striped. I never said I could get $1800 worth of parts for $1000. I said that by easily getting rid of things you don't need, you could lower the price down to about $1000. One mistake on my part was that I didn't include the OS in there. That would boost the price up quite a bit. If you want to waste money on Raptors, why not get 4 of them, because you obviously like to just blow money away. You were told that your Antec PSU is high quality. The XClio is also very high quality. Why waste extra money if you can get one just as good for less money? I bet that any non-overclocker on this forum would rather have a 3700+ than a Raptor.
t3h l337 n3wb
Platinum Member
Excuse me. I believe you are being very rude. I am trying to help you, and you call me an idiot. Fine then, be that way. Why should I spend my time helping stupid rich people that like to waste money. I'm trying to maximize performance without spending more money than needed. I guess you're just like those people that buys $100 shoes and other useless things they don't need.
The "idiot" part was referring to "waste money on Raptors" and the "common sense implies".
Think I am rich? I have $500 in my bank account.
"I guess you're just like those people that buys $100 shoes and other useless things they don't need. "
- And which is why I said "lol, what an idiot"
"My $1000 rig that I'm getting this summer is pretty much the EXACT same thing except with a video card that costs $30 less and $85 worth of RAM less."
- Sure it is, it just happens to be the same thing, but different and less money.
Think I am rich? I have $500 in my bank account.
"I guess you're just like those people that buys $100 shoes and other useless things they don't need. "
- And which is why I said "lol, what an idiot"
"My $1000 rig that I'm getting this summer is pretty much the EXACT same thing except with a video card that costs $30 less and $85 worth of RAM less."
- Sure it is, it just happens to be the same thing, but different and less money.
t3h l337 n3wb
Platinum Member
You sure act like you're rich, wasting money on things that barely improve performance. My rig would probably perform just as well or almost just as well as yours for a much lower price. You call me an idiot yet you're a "Senior Member" that doesn't even know how to quote someone when replying.
"You call me an idiot yet you're a "Senior Member" that doesn't even know how to quote someone when replying."
- How to quote? When you put these "" around what someone said, that means you are quoting them. Must be that common sense again, eh?
"You sure act like you're rich, wasting money on things that barely improve performance."
- Buying useless things are pretty stupid, what I have put together (from what others in the thread and through PMs have suggested), will blow away a $1,000 system.
I would take Blain's advice, no reason to look anymore dumb than you have already protrayed yourself to be.
- How to quote? When you put these "" around what someone said, that means you are quoting them. Must be that common sense again, eh?
"You sure act like you're rich, wasting money on things that barely improve performance."
- Buying useless things are pretty stupid, what I have put together (from what others in the thread and through PMs have suggested), will blow away a $1,000 system.
I would take Blain's advice, no reason to look anymore dumb than you have already protrayed yourself to be.
t3h l337 n3wb
Platinum Member
Originally posted by: Mr Bob
"You call me an idiot yet you're a "Senior Member" that doesn't even know how to quote someone when replying."
- How to quote? When you put these "" around what someone said, that means you are quoting them. Must be that common sense again, eh?
"You sure act like you're rich, wasting money on things that barely improve performance."
- Buying useless things are pretty stupid, what I have put together (from what others in the thread and through PMs have suggested), will blow away a $1,000 system.
I would take Blain's advice, no reason to look anymore dumb than you have already protrayed yourself to be.
😛 This is quoting you fool. Oh, and after you've built this system, we'll compare benchmarks. If your scores are 1.8x mine, I'll admit I was wrong and apoligize. And what I think Blain meant was that you're so stuborn, it's not worth my time to argue with you. Have a nice day. End of conversation.
"This is quoting you fool"
- That is quoting too... but it takes much more time to do than simply putting quotes around what you said. I always use the quick reply, and copy the text then place quotes around it.
"Oh, and after you've built this system, we'll compare benchmarks."
- What would that do? This isn't being built for benchmarks, I don't even plan to OC it. But if you think your hardware that performs slower/less than mine, then I guess I just wasted a bunch of money if I could get something that is "pretty much the EXACT same thing"
"End of conversation. "
- Have a feeling you will be back.
- That is quoting too... but it takes much more time to do than simply putting quotes around what you said. I always use the quick reply, and copy the text then place quotes around it.
"Oh, and after you've built this system, we'll compare benchmarks."
- What would that do? This isn't being built for benchmarks, I don't even plan to OC it. But if you think your hardware that performs slower/less than mine, then I guess I just wasted a bunch of money if I could get something that is "pretty much the EXACT same thing"
"End of conversation. "
- Have a feeling you will be back.
I haven't read this entire post but I suspect I could do far better things with my time for that.
One thing you say it's a business computer for doing virtual tours - to me that sounds like you don't need anything really fast.
A simple combination of AMD64 CPU of no more than 3200+ would eb plenty sufficient - the AMD64 because of it's Cool and Quiet technology so it's quieter, produces less heat (I'd say that makes it more reliably) also it'll use less power meanining it'll be cheaper th run especially if you're using air conditioning. Heck to save money you could even go the S754 route especially if you're not overclocking it doesn't matter. Regarding AMD vs Intel performance. Currently it stands as such that AMD64 systems are substanially faster in everything but specific encoding tasks while being more responsive than an Intel system.
RAM - sounds like 1GB would be sufficient. Buy good quality RAM from a quality vendor who backs it up with a lifetime warranty eg Crucial among others. Don't overtly worry about timings - RAM is one of the areas where most money is wasted for the least gain.
Video Card - virtual tours? doesn't sound like you need much of a card here - a card 2 generations behind would seem fine to me. I can't see you needing more than a nvidia 6600GT in any way shape or form.
Harddrive - just go for the longest warranty hardrive eg Seagate. I'd say Raptors are a waste of money. Head over to storagereview.com for professional reviews. Seagates in RAID could perform far superior to a single raptor which has a shorter warranty and because it runs faster also means hotter and probably more likely to fail - as a business computer isn't reliability the main thing? A hardrive failure is the worst thing that can go wrong with parts - any other part arguably would be better from a business standpoint. So pick accordingly.
Case - something simple and elegant and probably black. It doesn't have to be flash and you don't need to spend huge sums on a case especially if not overclocking.
Regarding overclocking it doesn't necessarily shorten lifespan of a product. Typically a lifespan is shortened by heat and extra voltage - but say you run a 3200+ at 3700+ speeds which typically would not need a voltage increase, there would be a negligiable heat difference between the components. The only difference between them would be that the hypertransport link of the overclocked cpu would be higher but a quality motherboard would not have a problem with what would be in such a scenario only a very moderately overclocked cpu. In short, regarding overclocking, if done moderately, you are far more likely to suffer a hardware failure elsewhere through poor choice of components eg a hardrive which is the part that is the most likely to fail and indeed the most devastating (don't bother getting the raptor)
As I see it a business computer to facilitate better business and to provide a financial gain - therefore it's all about money and you categorically don't spend more than you need to - not a cent more than you need to.
Go as cheap as possible. As it sounds to me a processor from 3 years back combined with a decent 64mb card and poss a GB of RAM and some new fast hardrives would be perfectly sufficient.
As others have said if you must buying a new pc from a retail outlet might well be the best choice.
Also regarding the last few posts made - don't let this descend to immature insults. There is sense in cutting costs.
One thing you say it's a business computer for doing virtual tours - to me that sounds like you don't need anything really fast.
A simple combination of AMD64 CPU of no more than 3200+ would eb plenty sufficient - the AMD64 because of it's Cool and Quiet technology so it's quieter, produces less heat (I'd say that makes it more reliably) also it'll use less power meanining it'll be cheaper th run especially if you're using air conditioning. Heck to save money you could even go the S754 route especially if you're not overclocking it doesn't matter. Regarding AMD vs Intel performance. Currently it stands as such that AMD64 systems are substanially faster in everything but specific encoding tasks while being more responsive than an Intel system.
RAM - sounds like 1GB would be sufficient. Buy good quality RAM from a quality vendor who backs it up with a lifetime warranty eg Crucial among others. Don't overtly worry about timings - RAM is one of the areas where most money is wasted for the least gain.
Video Card - virtual tours? doesn't sound like you need much of a card here - a card 2 generations behind would seem fine to me. I can't see you needing more than a nvidia 6600GT in any way shape or form.
Harddrive - just go for the longest warranty hardrive eg Seagate. I'd say Raptors are a waste of money. Head over to storagereview.com for professional reviews. Seagates in RAID could perform far superior to a single raptor which has a shorter warranty and because it runs faster also means hotter and probably more likely to fail - as a business computer isn't reliability the main thing? A hardrive failure is the worst thing that can go wrong with parts - any other part arguably would be better from a business standpoint. So pick accordingly.
Case - something simple and elegant and probably black. It doesn't have to be flash and you don't need to spend huge sums on a case especially if not overclocking.
Regarding overclocking it doesn't necessarily shorten lifespan of a product. Typically a lifespan is shortened by heat and extra voltage - but say you run a 3200+ at 3700+ speeds which typically would not need a voltage increase, there would be a negligiable heat difference between the components. The only difference between them would be that the hypertransport link of the overclocked cpu would be higher but a quality motherboard would not have a problem with what would be in such a scenario only a very moderately overclocked cpu. In short, regarding overclocking, if done moderately, you are far more likely to suffer a hardware failure elsewhere through poor choice of components eg a hardrive which is the part that is the most likely to fail and indeed the most devastating (don't bother getting the raptor)
As I see it a business computer to facilitate better business and to provide a financial gain - therefore it's all about money and you categorically don't spend more than you need to - not a cent more than you need to.
Go as cheap as possible. As it sounds to me a processor from 3 years back combined with a decent 64mb card and poss a GB of RAM and some new fast hardrives would be perfectly sufficient.
As others have said if you must buying a new pc from a retail outlet might well be the best choice.
Also regarding the last few posts made - don't let this descend to immature insults. There is sense in cutting costs.
:laugh:Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
...I think Blain meant was that you're so stuborn, it's not worth my time to argue with you. Have a nice day. End of conversation.
Diasper,
Thanks for the detailed response 🙂
" I haven't read this entire post but I suspect I could do far better things with my time for that. "
- Hehe, a lot of it is just me trying to figure out why something is better over the other.
"One thing you say it's a business computer for doing virtual tours - to me that sounds like you don't need anything really fast."
- Most cases it wouldn't need to be super fast. The setup I have in my rig is more than enough power it will need. But there will be a noticed increase in speed, and I think spending the extra bit now would be for the better. Virtual tour software shouldn't be too rough on the system. Most VTs are around 15-50MB, and let's say you will only work on about 5 per time. Throw that in with about 30 high quality 4-8MB images, common apps (Excel, Word, Outlook Express), and other apps, the amount of power/ram needed increases. 2GB of ram might be a bit overkill, but the budget allows $2,500, and I think something just a little under $2,000 would be fine.
"A simple combination of AMD64 CPU of no more than 3200+ would eb plenty sufficient - the AMD64 because of it's Cool and Quiet technology so it's quieter, produces less heat (I'd say that makes it more reliably) also it'll use less power meanining it'll be cheaper th run especially if you're using air conditioning."
- I agree, after looking at some benchmarks anything more than 3200 isn't quite worth the price. The 3000 might be a good buy too, but I would rather spend a bit extra now, than upgrade the CPU down the road.
"Video Card - virtual tours? doesn't sound like you need much of a card here - a card 2 generations behind would seem fine to me. I can't see you needing more than a nvidia 6600GT in any way shape or form."
- A simple $100 card should be perfect. I looked around a bit to get an idea for good cards, couldn't really get any recent info regarding this. Maybe you have a suggestion on the card to use? There might be an ocassional game here and there, but nothing that will require a high end card to run.
"Harddrive - just go for the longest warranty hardrive eg Seagate. I'd say Raptors are a waste of money. Head over to storagereview.com for professional reviews. Seagates in RAID could perform far superior to a single raptor which has a shorter warranty and because it runs faster also means hotter and probably more likely to fail - as a business computer isn't reliability the main thing?"
- Reliability is #1, performance/uptime is #2. The WD I picked out will be setup with Raid 1, and come with a 5 year warranty. I think there is a small chance being taken with the Raptor, but the case has a lot of open space, and will be easily cooled with numerous fans. This should make up for the hotter drive.
"Case - something simple and elegant and probably black. It doesn't have to be flash and you don't need to spend huge sums on a case especially if not overclocking. "
- IMO the case isn't really worth the money. I wish there was something that looked just as nice as that, but also aluminum. I couldn't find anything else that caught my eye.
"Regarding overclocking it doesn't necessarily shorten lifespan of a product. Typically a lifespan is shortened by heat and extra voltage - but say you run a 3200+ at 3700+ speeds which typically would not need a voltage increase, there would be a negligiable heat difference between the components."
- But when you run hotter, that will shorten the lifespan. And when you OC, you run the chip at a hotter level, thus shortening the lifespan on it, correct?
"Go as cheap as possible. As it sounds to me a processor from 3 years back combined with a decent 64mb card and poss a GB of RAM and some new fast hardrives would be perfectly sufficient. "
- The computer needs power, if it didn't fit into the budget, I wouldn't be getting something with so much power. A $1,000 system would be fine, but it wouldn't have that extra kick.
"As others have said if you must buying a new pc from a retail outlet might well be the best choice. "
- Dell is just too expensive for a high end computer. If they have a 40% off coupon soon, I will jump the gun on this one and grab a Dell.
Thanks again Diasper 🙂
Thanks for the detailed response 🙂
" I haven't read this entire post but I suspect I could do far better things with my time for that. "
- Hehe, a lot of it is just me trying to figure out why something is better over the other.
"One thing you say it's a business computer for doing virtual tours - to me that sounds like you don't need anything really fast."
- Most cases it wouldn't need to be super fast. The setup I have in my rig is more than enough power it will need. But there will be a noticed increase in speed, and I think spending the extra bit now would be for the better. Virtual tour software shouldn't be too rough on the system. Most VTs are around 15-50MB, and let's say you will only work on about 5 per time. Throw that in with about 30 high quality 4-8MB images, common apps (Excel, Word, Outlook Express), and other apps, the amount of power/ram needed increases. 2GB of ram might be a bit overkill, but the budget allows $2,500, and I think something just a little under $2,000 would be fine.
"A simple combination of AMD64 CPU of no more than 3200+ would eb plenty sufficient - the AMD64 because of it's Cool and Quiet technology so it's quieter, produces less heat (I'd say that makes it more reliably) also it'll use less power meanining it'll be cheaper th run especially if you're using air conditioning."
- I agree, after looking at some benchmarks anything more than 3200 isn't quite worth the price. The 3000 might be a good buy too, but I would rather spend a bit extra now, than upgrade the CPU down the road.
"Video Card - virtual tours? doesn't sound like you need much of a card here - a card 2 generations behind would seem fine to me. I can't see you needing more than a nvidia 6600GT in any way shape or form."
- A simple $100 card should be perfect. I looked around a bit to get an idea for good cards, couldn't really get any recent info regarding this. Maybe you have a suggestion on the card to use? There might be an ocassional game here and there, but nothing that will require a high end card to run.
"Harddrive - just go for the longest warranty hardrive eg Seagate. I'd say Raptors are a waste of money. Head over to storagereview.com for professional reviews. Seagates in RAID could perform far superior to a single raptor which has a shorter warranty and because it runs faster also means hotter and probably more likely to fail - as a business computer isn't reliability the main thing?"
- Reliability is #1, performance/uptime is #2. The WD I picked out will be setup with Raid 1, and come with a 5 year warranty. I think there is a small chance being taken with the Raptor, but the case has a lot of open space, and will be easily cooled with numerous fans. This should make up for the hotter drive.
"Case - something simple and elegant and probably black. It doesn't have to be flash and you don't need to spend huge sums on a case especially if not overclocking. "
- IMO the case isn't really worth the money. I wish there was something that looked just as nice as that, but also aluminum. I couldn't find anything else that caught my eye.
"Regarding overclocking it doesn't necessarily shorten lifespan of a product. Typically a lifespan is shortened by heat and extra voltage - but say you run a 3200+ at 3700+ speeds which typically would not need a voltage increase, there would be a negligiable heat difference between the components."
- But when you run hotter, that will shorten the lifespan. And when you OC, you run the chip at a hotter level, thus shortening the lifespan on it, correct?
"Go as cheap as possible. As it sounds to me a processor from 3 years back combined with a decent 64mb card and poss a GB of RAM and some new fast hardrives would be perfectly sufficient. "
- The computer needs power, if it didn't fit into the budget, I wouldn't be getting something with so much power. A $1,000 system would be fine, but it wouldn't have that extra kick.
"As others have said if you must buying a new pc from a retail outlet might well be the best choice. "
- Dell is just too expensive for a high end computer. If they have a 40% off coupon soon, I will jump the gun on this one and grab a Dell.
Thanks again Diasper 🙂
" video card is overkill."
- The 6600gt? I think it might be too....
I asked about the x300, but it just seems like a real POS card... Any particular reason for the x300?
What would be nice is a MB with support for 6 SATA slots.. I thought the ASUS one I was looking at had 6, but after looking over the details, it only has four. I will have already used up all four slots if I run raid1. Can anyone give some advice on a MB with 6+ sata slots?
- The 6600gt? I think it might be too....
I asked about the x300, but it just seems like a real POS card... Any particular reason for the x300?
What would be nice is a MB with support for 6 SATA slots.. I thought the ASUS one I was looking at had 6, but after looking over the details, it only has four. I will have already used up all four slots if I run raid1. Can anyone give some advice on a MB with 6+ sata slots?
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