17th Folding@Home Holiday Race: The race is over and Mark's Marauders win.

[Markfw]

December was 3700 KWH
Rate is 0.045 ¢
If temperature goes below -12 Celsius then my rate goes up to 0.26 ¢

That is why I had to pause the last last few nights to save $.
I feel cheap when compared to Mark...

Wait, you used 1/2 the power I did and only got 115 mil points out of it ??? What am I missing ????

 

[StefanR5R]

Just got my electric bill of $1045.90 for the month ! Seriously cutting back when this is over. 7,334 KWH.

"Once you use more than 1000 kWh in a billing cycle, you move to a slightly higher price (additional 0.722 ¢ per kWh) for the rest of that billing cycle. "

Energy charges 962.32 Basic Charge 11.00 Energy Use Charge (1,000.000 kWh x $0.06642) 66.42 Energy Use Charge (6,334.000 kWh x $0.07002) 443.51 Transmission Charge (7,334.000 kWh x $0.00585) 42.90 Distribution Charge (3,667.000 kWh x $0.0542) 198.75 Distribution Charge (3,667.000 kWh x $0.05447) 199.74

Am I getting your per-kWh portion right?
($1045.90 - $11) / 7,334 kWh = $0.141 / kWh, plus basic charge.

BTW, curious what you KWH usage was the last month (all participants) and your rate.

Let's see… So while petrusbroder and I aren't participants, these are our rates nevertheless:

Just now the electric power i close to 85cents - 95 cents/KWh

Mine was €0.343 / kWh until 12/31/2022 and is €0.576 since 1/1/2023, plus basic charge.

Concerning end customer prices of electricity, the German competition/ antitrust authority has always been (and keeps) twiddling its thumbs.

 

[Markfw]

Am I getting your per-kWh portion right?
($1045.90 - $11) / 7,334 kWh = $0.141 / kWh, plus basic charge.


Let's see… So while petrusbroder and I aren't participants, these are our rates nevertheless:

Mine was €0.343 / kWh until 12/31/2022 and is €0.576 since 1/1/2023, plus basic charge.

Concerning end customer prices of electricity, the German competition/ antitrust authority has always been (and keeps) twiddling its thumbs.

I copied it all from my electric bill. If anything is odd, I have no idea. The 2 things I am sure about is the 7335 KWH and the $1045 bill.

 

[StefanR5R]

Or should it be…
($962.32 - $11.00) / 7,334 kWh = $0.130 / kWh
[It's evident that the $11.00 are not a per-kWh but per-month price, so that's why I deducted it to get to the per-kWh rate. But since your bill says "Energy charges 962.32", I wonder if this or the total is for electricity, including taxes on electricity if there are any. My rate of €0.576/kWh includes various taxes and duties.]

 

[Markfw]

Or should it be…
($962.32 - $11.00) / 7,334 kWh = $0.130 / kWh
[It's evident that the $11.00 are not a per-kWh but per-month price, so that's why I deducted it to get to the per-kWh rate. But since your bill says "Energy charges 962.32", I wonder if this or the total is for electricity, including taxes on electricity if there are any. My rate of €0.576/kWh includes various taxes and duties.]

That whole paragraph is very confusing. And the total is $1049. So bottom line is, that I pay over 14 cents per KWH at my high usage rate. Trying to see if thats a bargain.

 

[biodoc]

Day 18 stats: only 2 more days to go!

 

[Neurodog]

Wait, you used 1/2 the power I did and only got 115 mil points out of it ??? What am I missing ????

AMD shop here
Mostly 5700, 6700, some 480's and one new 3070 for this challenge.

 

[[H]Coleslaw]

Thanks biodoc ! I will be glad when this is over. Just got my electric bill of $1045.90 for the month ! Seriously cutting back when this is over. 7,334 KWH.

"Once you use more than 1000 kWh in a billing cycle, you move to a slightly higher price (additional 0.722 ¢ per kWh) for the rest of that billing cycle. "

Energy charges 962.32 Basic Charge 11.00 Energy Use Charge (1,000.000 kWh x $0.06642) 66.42 Energy Use Charge (6,334.000 kWh x $0.07002) 443.51 Transmission Charge (7,334.000 kWh x $0.00585) 42.90 Distribution Charge (3,667.000 kWh x $0.0542) 198.75 Distribution Charge (3,667.000 kWh x $0.05447) 199.74

​ ​ Your bill is ready Service from: 12/14/2022 - 01/17/2023

​ ​ Amount due: $1045.90​ Due date: 02/02/2023​

Would it be cheaper to get a second service ran to the garage or storage building? Then divert some of the power draw between both services?

 

[drnickriviera]

824 Kwh last month, $95 total, so $0.115 You guys need solar! Although sub $0.15 rates would make a fairly long payoff time

 

[Endgame124]

824 Kwh last month, $95 total, so $0.115 You guys need solar! Although sub $0.15 rates would make a fairly long payoff time

I’ve got Solar, but it doesn’t help much for a race in Jan.

During this past billing cycle which completes in 4 days, I only generated 470kwh. I’ve used 951, but I don’t know how much of what I generated was excess yet. My current Bill estimate is 126.61 - we will see how accurate it is.

 

[Markfw]

Would it be cheaper to get a second service ran to the garage or storage building? Then divert some of the power draw between both services?

I have underground. A second service would be about $20,000 Under the street and a concrete sidewalk and a concrete driveway.

 

[IEC]

Solar is generally impractical outside of the Sunbelt in the USA.

I do miss the days of 7.9c per kWh. Now I'm fortunate to be locked into a 5 year contract at <12c kWh.

I don't anticipate prices coming down any time soon unless inexpensive nuclear fusion power becomes a reality. At least here in the CONUS we are largely immune to the effects of Russia's war of aggression on pricing, unlike Europe. The benefits of having more natgas than we can utilize and consequently everything that utilizes it as a raw material benefiting from it being priced as a waste product of oil drilling...

 

[Endgame124]

Solar is generally impractical outside of the Sunbelt in the USA.

I guess it depends how you define impractical - I’m in DC, so it’s not the most optimal portion of the country, but not the worst. I’ll come out ahead on my Solar install after 5 years 8 months, assuming no additional price increases on electricity. If you want Solar to pay off faster, or live somewhere where you can’t get credit for excess generation then the equation certainly changes.

 

[Assimilator1]

Thanks for the stats biodoc
I just barely pipped ahead of The Hive!....

That whole paragraph is very confusing. And the total is $1049. So bottom line is, that I pay over 14 cents per KWH at my high usage rate. Trying to see if that's a bargain.

On a per unit basis, yes it is compared to the UK.
Mine is 49.59p/kwh (apparently that's 61c atm), which is triple what it was just over 2 yrs ago! Although we are getting a government funded discount of 17p off per kwh. But it's still double what it was! My post here earlier about it.
My elec bill from 23rd November 2022 - 22nd December 2022 was ~£96 (that's for just 1 PC and regular usage).
But yea, your bill was way higher!

(I see that @Ian Cutress is paying exactly the same as me!)

On another note, I swear my output hasn't changed Folding with my CPU too....

 

[Skillz]

From 11/17 to 12/20 4,796 kWh used. Bill for that was $413.72 plus $29.02 in taxes and $0.82 renewable energy charge. Not running F@H though.

I think that's roughly 9 cents a kWh.

 

[biodoc]

Day 18.5 stats:

 

[biodoc]

Day 19 stats: 24 hours to go.

 

[biodoc]

I went back and read last years thread because my memory isn't what it used to be. During the 10 day PrimeGrid challenge a number of racers moved their GPUs to that race and as a result, the Marauders moved to take a big lead in the Holiday race. I thought I should try to close that gap by renting a cloud RTX 3090 (post on the race thread) and it helped a bit but not nearly enough. I stopped renting the 3090 after the PG race was over. In the last week the Mauraders still had a big lead so I rented a couple of 3090's and that in part, helped the moonshots to win in a very close race.

@Markfw , @Icecold did NOT rent any cloud hardware and as far as I remember, I was the only one on the moonshots to do so. Just to be clear, it's not against the rules but clearly renting cloud hardware is an advantage but also an expensive approach. In the future, we can all agree to not rent cloud hardware but there's no way to enforce it.

 

[Markfw]

I went back and read last years thread because my memory isn't what it used to be. During the 10 day PrimeGrid challenge a number of racers moved their GPUs to that race and as a result, the Marauders moved to take a big lead in the Holiday race. I thought I should try to close that gap by renting a cloud RTX 3090 (post on the race thread) and it helped a bit but not nearly enough. I stopped renting the 3090 after the PG race was over. In the last week the Mauraders still had a big lead so I rented a couple of 3090's and that in part, helped the moonshots to win in a very close race.

@Markfw , @Icecold did NOT rent any cloud hardware and as far as I remember, I was the only one on the moonshots to do so. Just to be clear, it's not against the rules but clearly renting cloud hardware is an advantage but also an expensive approach. In the future, we can all agree to not rent cloud hardware but there's no way to enforce it.

Regardless of this, my days of competition are over. I am too old to be dealing with any issues related to "winning", so this is my last race...... ever.

 

[Assimilator1]

[edited out 1st smilie which the forum had put in the wrong place!]
Sorry to hear that Mark , but thank you for joining us in the races over the years.

Thanks for the stats biodoc

I fired up my 2nd rig last night, it's more spaceheater than a folder , but still the ~150k ppd it's doing is helping just that little bit. I didn't have time last night to slot in my RX 580.
So dare I say it? I'm edging away from The Hive, shh don't tell him!

 

[biodoc]

Day 19.5 stats:

 

[cellarnoise]

Day 19.5 stats:

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This thing over yet

The IEC and Endgame battle is close!

 

[Assimilator1]

(Re my previous post, moved smilie which the forum had put in the wrong place by moving the cursor!)

This thing over yet

The IEC and Endgame battle is close!

Ain't over?
And yea, that battle is close!

 

[biodoc]

Day 20 (Final Stats): The Marauders win! Congrats!

The final numbers look pretty good considering it was only a 20 day race.
Thanks to all of you who participated.

 

[Pokey]

Appreciate you @biodoc for organizing and doing the stats. Thanks to everyone who jumped in on the event this year.