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[HDTVMan]

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/8887
After reading that article on how the ATI Radeon 1000 series contain Physics code while comparing it to the nvidia card as being lackluster in this area makes me wonder.

Could the chip in the xbox 360 contain physics code? If so and the performance numbers are corrent then there is no way nvidia can get to the drawing board to allow for physics to be implemented in the PS3 before launch. I know the multi core cpu of the PS3 can possibly help with physics however I dont believe its inherently designed with physics enhancements initially. Meaning it would have to compute it the same way a regular cpu would.

With the Nintendo Revolution having an ATI chip it makes me wonder how power the Revolution might just be. Have they announced the CPU yet? Man if they go with an AMD for the cpu then I would believe Nintendo got it right this time around.

 

[Pabster]

AMD and Nintendo? Unlikely.

 

[CPlusPlusGeek]

Revo sucks compared to ps3 and 360, like 2x 2ghz cores

 

[HDTVMan]

Originally posted by: CPlusPlusGeek
Revo sucks compared to ps3 and 360, like 2x 2ghz cores

Funny if I compare Madden on the current XBOX, PS2, and Gamecube it looks the same. I have a feeling only a handfull of games will remotely look different.

 

[CPlusPlusGeek]

Originally posted by: HDTVMan

Originally posted by: CPlusPlusGeek
Revo sucks compared to ps3 and 360, like 2x 2ghz cores

Funny if I compare Madden on the current XBOX, PS2, and Gamecube it looks the same. I have a feeling only a handfull of games will remotely look different.

Gamecube was much more powerful than PS2

 

[Hacp]

Its the games... If the revolution comes up with 5-10 big hits in the next 2 years, it will outsell both consoles, or at least make more money than them .

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: CPlusPlusGeek
Revo sucks compared to ps3 and 360, like 2x 2ghz cores

My understanding is that the 2 x 2ghz cores on Revolution will more resemble a standard CPU than these wannabe 3.2 ghz cores on PS3/X360 that can't even do Out of Order processing. I think that two better but slower clocked cores far outdo 3 crappy but technically fast cores. Ghz means nothing.

And as for the whole physics on the GPU, I'd much rather see a GPU doing it's job than trying to do physics and slowing down the visuals...plus tack on the sheer abundance of extra cores in PS3 and offloading a minor physics hit to the GPU seems silly.

 

[SickBeast]

Everything I have read has pointed towards the Xbox 360 being a PS3 killer. The GPU is said to be more powerful (and now has physics processing), the CPU is more developer-friendly, it's coming out a year earlier, and the screenshots look pretty much equal at this point IMO.

 

[CPlusPlusGeek]

Originally posted by: ZobarStyl

Originally posted by: CPlusPlusGeek
Revo sucks compared to ps3 and 360, like 2x 2ghz cores

My understanding is that the 2 x 2ghz cores on Revolution will more resemble a standard CPU than these wannabe 3.2 ghz cores on PS3/X360 that can't even do Out of Order processing. I think that two better but slower clocked cores far outdo 3 crappy but technically fast cores. Ghz means nothing.

Yes but the revo cores are PowerPC as well I beleive

 

[Hacp]

No the revolution is the same Processor as the xbox. 2.5GHZ, probably to get better yeilds. Also, as for the Xbox 360 being a PSP killer, as I said its all abou the GAMES.

Currently, in my school, the PSP is outnumbered by the DS around 5 to 1. This is in a High School, the target market of the PSP. Why? No good games.

 

[HDTVMan]

Originally posted by: CPlusPlusGeek

Originally posted by: HDTVMan

Originally posted by: CPlusPlusGeek
Revo sucks compared to ps3 and 360, like 2x 2ghz cores

Funny if I compare Madden on the current XBOX, PS2, and Gamecube it looks the same. I have a feeling only a handfull of games will remotely look different.

Gamecube was much more powerful than PS2

Yes I agree and the xbox even more and yet the game all looked the same.

I believe most games will be great on next gen across all platforms. But the next revolution will not be your graphics power but your PHYSICS power. That is the next frontier in gaming and if the ATI has some built in then thats a start. The real question is will developers utilize it. On the PC side I am sure there will be some game extensions that help but when you console platform has those abilities then developers will use it.

The advantage then goes to the xbox 360.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I don't believe Nintendo has released the specs for the Revolution yet, so you can't compare it to either the PS3 or X360 at this point. In fact, I don't think you can compare the PS3 to the X360 as it hasn't been finalized yet either.

I don't think that even with a bunch of great games that the Revolution will necessarily outsell either of the other two. The Gamecube has plenty of great games, but it hasn't exactly helped Nintendo all that much. Nintendo isn't as trendy and popular as Halo or Playstation, and if anything, it seems to me that the controller design has had the opposite affect Nintendo was aiming for. Most casual gamers I know are saying its retarded.

Nintendo and IBM are partnering for the CPU.

I don't think the GPUs in the X360 or PS3 are powerful enough to do good physics and good graphics at the same time, so it wouldn't make sense for them to even use the GPU for physics, but hey if they've figured out someway to do it then great. I don't care what chip does what, just so long as it gets done.

 

[5150Joker]

Who cares consoles suck.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
I don't believe Nintendo has released the specs for the Revolution yet, so you can't compare it to either the PS3 or X360 at this point. In fact, I don't think you can compare the PS3 to the X360 as it hasn't been finalized yet either.

I don't think that even with a bunch of great games that the Revolution will necessarily outsell either of the other two. The Gamecube has plenty of great games, but it hasn't exactly helped Nintendo all that much. Nintendo isn't as trendy and popular as Halo or Playstation, and if anything, it seems to me that the controller design has had the opposite affect Nintendo was aiming for. Most casual gamers I know are saying its retarded.

Nintendo and IBM are partnering for the CPU.

I don't think the GPUs in the X360 or PS3 are powerful enough to do good physics and good graphics at the same time, so it wouldn't make sense for them to even use the GPU for physics, but hey if they've figured out someway to do it then great. I don't care what chip does what, just so long as it gets done.

Nintendo did release the specs. Do a search function in the software/programing forums.

 

[HDTVMan]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
I don't believe Nintendo has released the specs for the Revolution yet, so you can't compare it to either the PS3 or X360 at this point. In fact, I don't think you can compare the PS3 to the X360 as it hasn't been finalized yet either.

I don't think that even with a bunch of great games that the Revolution will necessarily outsell either of the other two. The Gamecube has plenty of great games, but it hasn't exactly helped Nintendo all that much. Nintendo isn't as trendy and popular as Halo or Playstation, and if anything, it seems to me that the controller design has had the opposite affect Nintendo was aiming for. Most casual gamers I know are saying its retarded.

Nintendo and IBM are partnering for the CPU.

I don't think the GPUs in the X360 or PS3 are powerful enough to do good physics and good graphics at the same time, so it wouldn't make sense for them to even use the GPU for physics, but hey if they've figured out someway to do it then great. I don't care what chip does what, just so long as it gets done.

The recent 1000 series from ATI has some Physics built into it and if its built into the xbox 360 GPU then developers will use it.

Having physics processing is significant. Like I stated that is the next revolution in gaming. You have to see what a Physics processor can do compared to the top end CPU with Graphics card. Its Night and day. Just like when we all got our first Voodoo card. It can make that much difference today. When the PhysX cards come out in about a month you will get to see how significant this is.

I highly recommend downloading the video's of PhysX and see how amazing this will make gaming. Then you will realize if the xbox 360 has some of this built in then some games are really going to push the envelope of what we consider to be amazing today.

 

[James3shin]

MGS4 >>> anything shown on the 360 thus far

 

[DeathReborn]

Well the facts are that Nintendo are making a system the size of 3 DVD Cases. Consider the limited space, then add in the cooling required for a single 2.5GHz PowerPC 970FX CPU (for example) and a Radeon X1800 Deriviative GPU along with chipset & drive. I think i'll be cooking fry-ups on it with ease. Back the CPU down to 2GHz and it's more manageable, back the GPU down to 500MHz Core, 1GHz Memory and it becomes a more realistic prospect.

It is entirely possible it could be a Dual Core PowerPC 970FX 2GHz CPU and they do have the option of releasing an updated version in a year or 2 with a dedicated PPU Chip inside. Within 3 years the GPU will be both outdated and showing it's age and removing the PPU load would help.

Again the PS3 & Xbox 360 could make a revision with a dedicated PPU chip (PS3's Cell CPU should help with things like Physics) and as to which console will rule the roost... without the games to back it up it's a non-contest.

My guess at Specs for CPU/GPU would be:

Dual Core 2GHz PowerPC 970FX CPU
ATI Radeon X1800 (probably comparable to X1800XL) with access to 256MB DDR3.

There is this: http://www.gametab.com/news/376148/ but I personally don't take much stock in it.

Originally posted by: Hacp
No the revolution is the same Processor as the xbox. 2.5GHZ, probably to get better yeilds. Also, as for the Xbox 360 being a PSP killer, as I said its all abou the GAMES.

Currently, in my school, the PSP is outnumbered by the DS around 5 to 1. This is in a High School, the target market of the PSP. Why? No good games.

Can you take a Xbox 360 in our pocket? No. The DS is likely to just be a stop-gap measure to hold Sony while they try and release a handheld with similar capabilities as the PSP but more battery life. Also, the PSP has at least 1 great game right now imo, Wipeout Pure.

 

[Wreckage]

Well seeing as the PS3 can support 1080P and dual HD displays, the XboX has a lot of catching up to do.

Any GPU can do physics processing if you program it.

Good luck running 3D gaming and physics at the same time.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Im not sure if its the PS3 killer, because for a fact no one knows how good the cell processor really is. Im not sure why epic jumped abroad the PS3 ship, unless the PS3 hardware is either better suited for the urneal engine or the console is just better. Also the fact John Carmack pointed a possible "super" edition of doom3 on the PS3 but not the Xbox360, indicates that the PS3 is more powerful.

Quake4 Xbox 360 edition points out that still PCs edge out in visuals (previews about Quake4 indicate that the PC version is slightly better than the Xbox360 version).

But the problem is coding for the PS3 hardware, and plus all the numbers are theoratical.

But i do find the PS3 to be more better due to its 7 usb ports and the fact i can use keyboard and mouse

All speculation and my 2 cents

 

[HDTVMan]

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Well seeing as the PS3 can support 1080P and dual HD displays, the XboX has a lot of catching up to do.

Any GPU can do physics processing if you program it.

Good luck running 3D gaming and physics at the same time.

With a PPU its possible and its possible the XBOX 360 has some of this ability in the GPU.
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=31&threadid=1710882&enterthread=y

 

[HDTVMan]

Originally posted by: James3shin
MGS4 >>> anything shown on the 360 thus far

Sony is taking a lot of heat lately for that pre render. No one has seen it run in real time on the hardware. So its vaporware. Everyone expects sony to backtrack on the real gameplay.

 

[HDTVMan]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Im not sure if its the PS3 killer, because for a fact no one knows how good the cell processor really is. Im not sure why epic jumped abroad the PS3 ship, unless the PS3 hardware is either better suited for the urneal engine or the console is just better. Also the fact John Carmack pointed a possible "super" edition of doom3 on the PS3 but not the Xbox360, indicates that the PS3 is more powerful.

Quake4 Xbox 360 edition points out that still PCs edge out in visuals (previews about Quake4 indicate that the PC version is slightly better than the Xbox360 version).

But the problem is coding for the PS3 hardware, and plus all the numbers are theoratical.

But i do find the PS3 to be more better due to its 7 usb ports and the fact i can use keyboard and mouse

All speculation and my 2 cents

I agree on the Mouse and Keyboard area. Someone Microsoft should be smacked silly over.

Im actually digging the revolution controller. I think it will be cool.

 

[James3shin]

Originally posted by: HDTVMan

Originally posted by: James3shin
MGS4 >>> anything shown on the 360 thus far

Sony is taking a lot of heat lately for that pre render. No one has seen it run in real time on the hardware. So its vaporware. Everyone expects sony to backtrack on the real gameplay.

what are you talking about? The MGS4 trailer was real time.

 

[Sunrise089]

Fact: According to this site's own (pulled) article if Nintendo used a single off-the-shelf Athlon 64 they would easily outperform Xbox 360's tri-processors.

Fact: The Xbox was more powerfull than the Gamecube, and the GC was more powerfull than the PS-2. This did not effect sales IN THE LEAST. Multiplatform games will be designed for the least common demoninator, and single platform games will be dependent on gameplay and marketing.

Anyone who thinks a GPU will allow the Xbox 360 to defeat the PS-3 due to raw power needs to go back in time and purchase an interest in these other surefire systems by virtue of their power reletive their competitors

1) Sega CD
2) Sega Saturn
3) Nintendo Virtual Boy
4) Sega Dreamcast
5) N-Gage

Best of luck

 

[HDTVMan]

Originally posted by: James3shin

Originally posted by: HDTVMan

Originally posted by: James3shin
MGS4 >>> anything shown on the 360 thus far

Sony is taking a lot of heat lately for that pre render. No one has seen it run in real time on the hardware. So its vaporware. Everyone expects sony to backtrack on the real gameplay.

what are you talking about? The MGS4 trailer was real time.

Interesting I just saw on TV last week where they are still saying its a pre render and they have yet to show it on PS3 hardware as realtime with many more objects moving around.