$1700 for QX6700 at Newegg - Ridiculous

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zsdersw

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What's with all this whining? NewEgg can and should charge whatever they can get for it. If no one buys it at a certain price, guess what? They'll lower the price. If the price is too high for you, DON'T BUY IT. Your desire to have the chip at a certain price doesn't make any retailer obligated to sell it to you at that price.

All business transactions are the same in at least one regard: there's an agreement between the seller and the buyer; for the seller to sell it to the person for a certain price, and for the buyer to buy it from the seller at a certain price. If something about the deal isn't right, for either the seller or buyer, the deal should never happen.
 

TankGuys

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This same thing comes up *every* time a new "hot" product launches.

It's the Newegg formula, which by all evidence, works quite well. They price normal items at/near/below cost. This is why when asked, most people will say Newegg has the best prices out there. So, they build this great rep for having low prices.

However, selling stuff so cheap doesn't pay the bills. They are a business, and like any other business, they have to make a profit somehow. So, they make INSANE margin on these hot, hard to get items. And you know what? People will pay for them. Why? Two reasons:

1 - Sometimes they can't buy them anywhere else

2 - Because many people just assume Newegg has the best prices, so they don't even bother to shop around, and thus have no idea that they are significantly over paying.


In either case, Newegg more than likely makes most of its money on items like this. To everyone upset by the "gouging" remember - were it not for these methods, you wouldn't be getting the otherwise low prices on the other items they sell, they've got to make a profit somehow ;)


 

nycdude

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Originally posted by: JAG87
whos gonna put a stock heatsink on a QX6700 anyways...

and 1yr warranty is plenty. before the 3yr warranty is over (2010) intel will have 32nm sixteen-core CPUs with 32MB of L2 cache. If you still have that QX6700 by that time, youre an idiot because it will be worth 1/10th of what you paid for it.

jesus people, learn to not get shafted by the market.

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myocardia

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Originally posted by: TankGuys
In either case, Newegg more than likely makes most of its money on items like this. To everyone upset by the "gouging" remember - were it not for these methods, you wouldn't be getting the otherwise low prices on the other items they sell, they've got to make a profit somehow;)
Newegg's making money from every product they sell. They're like Wal Mart; when you buy in large enough quantities, you don't even have to pay wholesale.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: Idontcare
I beleive I asked for link to retail not OEM...as that is the product with the price in question. Everyone knows tigerdirect has OEM in stock, but that is not the question nor the OP's topic.

So the $600 premium is worth the Intel HSF and extended warranty that will likely be voided from OC'ing anyway?

What does your post have to do with the one you quoted?
 

TankGuys

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Originally posted by: myocardia
Originally posted by: TankGuys
In either case, Newegg more than likely makes most of its money on items like this. To everyone upset by the "gouging" remember - were it not for these methods, you wouldn't be getting the otherwise low prices on the other items they sell, they've got to make a profit somehow;)
Newegg's making money from every product they sell. They're like Wal Mart; when you buy in large enough quantities, you don't even have to pay wholesale.

Actually, you'd be surprised. According to a couple of my contacts, they do indeed sell a lot at/below cost. Again - they can afford to lose a buck or two on 300 sales, when they make $600+ selling a single QX6700 ;)

Clearly the strategy works well, or else they woudln't be as big as they are.

 

BadThad

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HAHAHA....sweet, in stock both places and tankguys has it for $1099. Newegg = pwnt!

Well, if you think back to the launch of the C2D CPU's, everyone was "gouging" with high prices. Exactly why I've been waiting, let the market settle down a few weeks then the real prices start showing up.
 

BigVeg

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$1099 is a good deal as I was only able to get it for $1050 with Tax inlcuded yesterday through Premier.



 

SparkyJJO

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If you don't like the price, don't buy it. And enough do so, price will drop. Not that hard a concept. And I'm willing to bet that most of you here who are complaining about it would sell it for as high a price as you could if you were selling them ;)
 

zsdersw

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Quite right. I've had people complain to me when I'm selling something of value on eBay that they can get the same thing cheaper somewhere else. In every case, I told them that they should do that, then. In almost every case, they've bought it from me anyway.. for the price I was asking.
 

Idontcare

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Originally posted by: BadThad

HAHAHA....sweet, in stock both places and tankguys has it for $1099. Newegg = pwnt!

Well, if you think back to the launch of the C2D CPU's, everyone was "gouging" with high prices. Exactly why I've been waiting, let the market settle down a few weeks then the real prices start showing up.

You guys are dolling out "ownage" on newegg over an OEM part at Tank Guys while Newegg is selling Retail.

OEM != Retail
 

Cooler

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: BadThad

HAHAHA....sweet, in stock both places and tankguys has it for $1099. Newegg = pwnt!

Well, if you think back to the launch of the C2D CPU's, everyone was "gouging" with high prices. Exactly why I've been waiting, let the market settle down a few weeks then the real prices start showing up.

You guys are dolling out "ownage" on newegg over an OEM part at Tank Guys while Newegg is selling Retail.

OEM != Retail

mwave was retail and still much cheaper then newegg.
 

Von Matrices

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I just noticed that the NewEgg price is now $1400 and it's limit 5 per customer rather than 1 per customer when it was $1700. It's amazing what competition can do.
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: atom
You seemed to gloss over the point that practically every retailer that has retail QX6700's in stock currently are selling them above MSRP. This is NOT just newegg gouging you, this is a price adjustment that every retailer is making.

The OP pointed out NewEgg because the Egg had the highest price ($1700).

If there are other places that have retail QX6700s in stock for prices that far above MSRP (or even at $1400 which is the Egg's current price) feel free to provide links.

Originally posted by: zsdersw
What's with all this whining? NewEgg can and should charge whatever they can get for it. If no one buys it at a certain price, guess what? They'll lower the price. If the price is too high for you, DON'T BUY IT. Your desire to have the chip at a certain price doesn't make any retailer obligated to sell it to you at that price.

I think the gist of this thread is that people aren't going to buy from NewEgg, at least not at those prices. In fact, many of us are saying that we really don't feel like buying much of anything from them these days.

Regardless of what pricing practices NewEgg might use, I'm finding that their deals are less and less attractive with the passage of time. If they are selling things at a loss, I can't imagine what those things might be. Their prices seem to be the same as or higher than several of their competitors. The last time I went shopping for a system, I got most of my stuff from mwave at a much better price than those available at the Egg.

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: Avalon
Originally posted by: Idontcare
I beleive I asked for link to retail not OEM...as that is the product with the price in question. Everyone knows tigerdirect has OEM in stock, but that is not the question nor the OP's topic.

So the $600 premium is worth the Intel HSF and extended warranty that will likely be voided from OC'ing anyway?

What does your post have to do with the one you quoted?

What he means is that the retail package only provides you with a stock HSF (which you would never use on a QX6700 anyway) and a warranty (which you would promptly void via overclocking with a QX6700 + aftermarket HSF + thermal paste). So paying $1700, or even $1400 for the retail chip vs $1099 for an OEM really makes no sense, especially if you get your OEM chip from a reputable vendor that can/will guarantee that the OEM chip isn't someone else's RMA.
 

zsdersw

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
I think the gist of this thread is that people aren't going to buy from NewEgg, at least not at those prices. In fact, many of us are saying that we really don't feel like buying much of anything from them these days.

Regardless of what pricing practices NewEgg might use, I'm finding that their deals are less and less attractive with the passage of time. If they are selling things at a loss, I can't imagine what those things might be. Their prices seem to be the same as or higher than several of their competitors. The last time I went shopping for a system, I got most of my stuff from mwave at a much better price than those available at the Egg.

The "gist of this thread" isn't what I was responding to, nor is it something I have a problem with. I was responding to people who somehow seem to think that NewEgg should alter its prices simply because Joe Schmoe wants to only pay a certain amount for an item.
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: zsdersw

The "gist of this thread" isn't what I was responding to, nor is it something I have a problem with. I was responding to people who somehow seem to think that NewEgg should alter its prices simply because Joe Schmoe wants to only pay a certain amount for an item.

Who thinks they should change their prices based on what Joe Schmoe wants to pay? I didn't see anyone in the thread imply or state that. We're all saying that NewEgg is pushing the supply/demand envelope too far and that they risk alienating customers, that's all. Besides, MSRP isn't "what Joe Schmoe wants to pay". It's the standard price set by the manufacturer, not the customer. It is reasonable to assume that new products will be sold at or near MSRP, supply issues or no supply issues.
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Who thinks they should change their prices based on what Joe Schmoe wants to pay? I didn't see anyone in the thread imply or state that. We're all saying that NewEgg is pushing the supply/demand envelope too far and that they risk alienating customers, that's all. Besides, MSRP isn't "what Joe Schmoe wants to pay". It's the standard price set by the manufacturer, not the customer. It is reasonable to assume that new products will be sold at or near MSRP, supply issues or no supply issues.
Agreed, that's the entire premise of an MSRP. Of course, the second letter of MSRP stands for Suggested, and some retailers/etailers seem to take that will a whole shaker of salt, instead of the recommended grain.;)
 

zsdersw

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Who thinks they should change their prices based on what Joe Schmoe wants to pay? I didn't see anyone in the thread imply or state that. We're all saying that NewEgg is pushing the supply/demand envelope too far and that they risk alienating customers, that's all. Besides, MSRP isn't "what Joe Schmoe wants to pay". It's the standard price set by the manufacturer, not the customer. It is reasonable to assume that new products will be sold at or near MSRP, supply issues or no supply issues.

There are a few Joe Schmoe's in this thread who want to pay $X for the QX6700. They complained that Newegg had the price too high. That complaint is ridiculous. You complain with your wallet by not using it.. not whining about the price in an online forum.

There's no such thing as pushing the supply/demand envelope too far in the market system we have. Any seller who does will lose customers and more or less be forced to bring his/her prices down.

The "gist of the thread" is that people think Newegg's prices are too high.. and that's bullsh!t. You either pay their price, go somewhere else, or don't buy the item at all. What determines whether the price is too high is whether or not the item sells at that price. If it doesn't, then the price drops. As far as the particular item in question is concerned, it's already down. Newegg obviously believes it can sell the item at the current price.. and until or unless it drops more, it apparently can be sold and is being sold at that price.

It is reasonable to assume that new products will be sold at or near MSRP, supply issues or no supply issues.

No, it is reasonable to assume that new products will be sold for the highest amount they can be sold for. What determines that is what people are willing to pay, not MSRP.
 

DrMrLordX

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Originally posted by: Jonesboy21
Just checked that Newegg link this morning. Price was $1199 for retail, and in stock

Wow, sucks for anyone that bought it four days ago. Good job noticing that change though, last time I looked it was still $1399.

Originally posted by: zsdersw

There are a few Joe Schmoe's in this thread who want to pay $X for the QX6700. They complained that Newegg had the price too high. That complaint is ridiculous. You complain with your wallet by not using it.. not whining about the price in an online forum.

Said Joe Schmoes are free to express their opinions about online retailers (NewEgg or otherwise) no matter what we may or may not think of their opinions. Their complaints are far from ridiculous considering the fact that most of them expect to pay not $X, but $1099 which is the price suggested by Intel.

There's no such thing as pushing the supply/demand envelope too far in the market system we have. Any seller who does will lose customers and more or less be forced to bring his/her prices down.

Of course there is such a thing as pushing the supply/demand envelope too far. Any pricing policy one enacts that alienates customers is obviously inappropriate, both fiscally and arguably ethically. In any case, it's just a bad idea. Making enemies while making money is a poor strategy in the long run. As TankGuys mentioned earlier, NewEgg makes a lot of its premium sales to people who have a generally good impression of NewEgg and shop there either out of loyalty or ignorance. Consumer loyalty is very important to the Egg. It should not be taken lightly.

The "gist of the thread" is that people think Newegg's prices are too high.. and that's bullsh!t. You either pay their price, go somewhere else, or don't buy the item at all. What determines whether the price is too high is whether or not the item sells at that price. If it doesn't, then the price drops.

But their prices were too high. The customer is always right, and that cardinal rule supercedes all others. NewEgg has the right to set prices as they like, and we have the right to feel however we want to feel about them (and discuss our feelings on internet message boards). And it isn't bovine manure when we do so. In theory, we could declare to all retailers that all of their items are worth a dollar and adamantly refuse to purchase them for anything more, but doing so would run every retailer in existence (well, almost every retailer) out of business. That would be a poor decision on our part, just as it was a poor decision for NewEgg to try and twist the dagger that had been stuck in the back of anyone who wanted a QX6700 over the last four days or so.

No, it is reasonable to assume that new products will be sold for the highest amount they can be sold for. What determines that is what people are willing to pay, not MSRP.

No. This is only really true between merchants who are willing to haggle over prices for a living, or for fun. Most modern consumers consider this to be a hassle. This is why there are such things as MSRPs and price tags to ease the process of retail sales. Your average consumer does not want to go into a store (or to a website) and find the retailer trying to rip them off constantly, just as your average retailer does not want customers constantly haggling and trying to low-ball them at the cash register. The modern marketplace is not a bazaar. We expect price fluctuations from time to time and in different retail venues, but nothing of the magnitude that NewEgg had done. $1199 seems like a small gouge that is forgiveable, $1400 was eyebrow-raising, and $1700 was just over-the-top. It's all arbitrary, but when you consider that NewEgg could still make a profit selling the QX6700 at $1099, it makes sense.
 

zsdersw

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Said Joe Schmoes are free to express their opinions about online retailers (NewEgg or otherwise) no matter what we may or may not think of their opinions. Their complaints are far from ridiculous considering the fact that most of them expect to pay not $X, but $1099 which is the price suggested by Intel.

Of course they're free to express their opinions, but that was never the point. The point is that those opinions are ridiculous.. and I'm going to point that out, period. The customer can expect to pay whatever he/she wants, but that doesn't make it a crime for retailers to offer to sell it for more than that amount.

Of course there is such a thing as pushing the supply/demand envelope too far. Any pricing policy one enacts that alienates customers is obviously inappropriate, both fiscally and arguably ethically. In any case, it's just a bad idea. Making enemies while making money is a poor strategy in the long run. As TankGuys mentioned earlier, NewEgg makes a lot of its premium sales to people who have a generally good impression of NewEgg and shop there either out of loyalty or ignorance. Consumer loyalty is very important to the Egg. It should not be taken lightly.

When customers go away, the price drops. When customers form lines to get a certain product, the price goes up. It's a self-regulating system. Setting the price on a new item, particularly one as luxurious as the QX6700, usually involves a retailer gauging demand and determining the initial price. There are always adjustments to it as demand ebbs and flows, as supply mounts, or as competitors enter the fray. It seems to me a lot of people in this thread were getting in an uproar about what was destined to be a blip on the radar screen.. not a bogey. The people who just *had* to have a QX6700 when it was initially offered for $1700 on Newegg (and determined they would buy it from Newegg) are precisely the people who will pay the premium for being among the first to have the product in their hands. The desire to be "the first to have it" is an intangible force that retailers would be foolish not to put a dollar amount on.. and everyone else would be foolish on which to question either the customer or the retailer.

But their prices were too high. The customer is always right, and that cardinal rule supercedes all others. NewEgg has the right to set prices as they like, and we have the right to feel however we want to feel about them (and discuss our feelings on internet message boards). And it isn't bovine manure when we do so. In theory, we could declare to all retailers that all of their items are worth a dollar and adamantly refuse to purchase them for anything more, but doing so would run every retailer in existence (well, almost every retailer) out of business. That would be a poor decision on our part, just as it was a poor decision for NewEgg to try and twist the dagger that had been stuck in the back of anyone who wanted a QX6700 over the last four days or so.

Yes, it is "bovine manure". The price of admission to being a computer enthusiast is precisely situations like this. Complaining about prices in an online forum is as stupid and useless (and, yes, bullsh!t) as complaining in an online forum about taxes, prescription drug costs, and everything else we the public find is wrong with the world. Oh, woe is me! Newegg charged a premium for a niche product that's in demand for a select few! Whatever will I do? How can I go on with my life? Too dramatic for you? The "twist the dagger" remark was too dramatic. The people who wanted a QX6700 are going to come back to Newegg. A price anomaly, alone, rarely turns a customer away permanently because price is just one of many factors that online shoppers consider. Other things count, too.. such as speedy shipping, good order status and tracking information, and just the sheer selection and variety that Newegg offers. Additionally, as someone else mentioned, many of the same people who had to have the QX6700 and complained about the $1700 price Newegg was charging are the same people who sell their "old" computer stuff on eBay for as much as they can get for it, which is the same thing Newegg was doing. The bottom line: Newegg will remain on their list of places to consider when the next thing they have to have comes along.

No. This is only really true between merchants who are willing to haggle over prices for a living, or for fun. Most modern consumers consider this to be a hassle. This is why there are such things as MSRPs and price tags to ease the process of retail sales. Your average consumer does not want to go into a store (or to a website) and find the retailer trying to rip them off constantly, just as your average retailer does not want customers constantly haggling and trying to low-ball them at the cash register. The modern marketplace is not a bazaar. We expect price fluctuations from time to time and in different retail venues, but nothing of the magnitude that NewEgg had done. $1199 seems like a small gouge that is forgiveable, $1400 was eyebrow-raising, and $1700 was just over-the-top. It's all arbitrary, but when you consider that NewEgg could still make a profit selling the QX6700 at $1099, it makes sense.

As I said earlier, this was (and was from the start) a blip on the radar screen.. not a bogey. The "average customer" is not going to buy the QX6700 and the QX6700 is not a mainstream product, so all bets are off when it comes to "reasonable" expectations of price and supply/demand. Of course most marketplaces are not a bazaar anymore.. but with products like the QX6700, it remains very much a place where those who have to have an item will be forced to pay a premium for their desire.