I don't think so, because countries do not implement the death penalty in league; they do it independantly. "In league" is really a curious expression. Were Britain, the USA, Russia, Germany and Japan all in league in the second world war becuase they all had the death penalty?
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0roo0roo
No Lifer
it is rather telling you have to make such a stretch to come up with anything you think is even remotely comparable to the horrors in the middle east thanks to islam.
all the evidence of the horrors of islam staring you in the face and you will still deny it to the end like a true zealot. you are nothing but an apologist for a flawed and evil ideology. it is a cancer upon humanity, and the best it can hope to be is to become a benign tumor in remission.. amoung religions islam is most resistant to reason and change. it is fundamentally incompatible with modernity considering the role of the founder as the head of state and maker of war. its writings are unquestionable and direct from god, no second hand recordings to be interpreted by modern people in ways that allow for common sense. it is flawed to the core. you apologist for nonsense.
The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4626
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamicintolerance.shtml
http://jihadwatch.org/
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/index.htm
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ibn_al-rawandi/review.html
http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
http://www.faithfreedom.org
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf15.html
http://www.a-voice.org/discern/islam.htm#jews
http://www.answeringislam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=13123
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9000
http://answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol1/8d.html
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Index/A/apostasy.html
And the US military gave medals to the bomber pilots who killed innocent civilians in the early part of OIF when they had bad intel, contrary to the press secretary's assertion of 'credible and verifiable', that Saddam was in two different locations and blindly bombed the places to smithereens. So the entire US military was celebrating the 'success' of the mission.
People celebrate other's losses all the time, even when the loss is serious.
Are you going to tell me that there were no happy people hanging around any of the lynchings in the south before the civil rights amendment?
I've been in a church where the minister, in his sermon, praised people who were attacking abortion clinics and the doctors who worked there. So I know 'Christians' do this kind of thing, too. I would never set foot in that church again, by the way.
0roo0roo
No Lifer
sorry, intent does matter. bin laden intended to kill as many people as possible as his goal, that is the goal of terrorists and unhuman monsters. bombing mistakes on what we know as bad intel now is just stupid. they did the best they could to minimize death. you realize we could just nuke the entire area to get one man. we have the capability, but we don't. its because it is not justifable. but to attempt to kill the leadership of iraq and end the war as quickly as possible and thus save countless lives..that does justify taking some risk.
and no, we didn't dance in the streets when we bombed iraq. so don't even try to compare. its telling you have to desperately dig into history to try to come up with anything thta can compare.
imported_Aelius
Golden Member
LOL who is ignorant?
First you write:
"- You can't find another website to confirm this too (not even a non-credible site).
- You yourself have doubts about this!"
Then you write:
"1 - You don't give 2 shts about the girl nor Iran, all you are wishing is for this to be true instead of fiction."
You are getting this from where? That's funny you say something like that after you wrote that I admit that it could be fake. Oh that's right your own indulgent hypocritical and highly delusional state of mind. Strike 1.
Then you continue:
"2 - You know enjoy your time posting threads that have other members going "Muslims are horrible I can't believe this happened, but hey since they are Muslims so it must have happened""
I simply gave the site enough credit to post this. The same thing that you and others do when you post something questionable from what you call a credible source. You know the ones that have compromised ethics when it comes to government and other interests. Well pardon me for posting that it could be fake but the last time I checked I haven't seen virtually anyone admit in their first post that a news item they posted could be fake. No, instead they fanatically defend it as if the words came from God itself. Strike 2.
Last:
"Stop trying to hide yourself, show your true face, you are but another member trying to rely on baseless stories of barbaric actions to blast Islam of the face of the earth, you sir are a hypocrite nothing more nothnig less (scroll up a couple of posts to see my definition for Hypocrites), how can you post something this disturbing and not even you know if it is true or not ? And not even mention a thing about that in your thread title, you make it look like it happened for sure, ppl glancing by the thread's title without reading this, will be like " Oh look another barbaric Muslim act""
You are the kind of person that scares me the most. You understand what is written and you clearly indicate that you realize that it could be fake as I mentioned but then you blast the person for daring to post it. So it's ok for the far left and the far right to post ridiculous news pieces that flat out lie about someone or are outright acts of personal or professional character assassination and are habitually defended by both sides yet I dare to mention that my piece might be fake?
You have the audacity to question my motives after I indicated this? Strike 3.
Who is pathetic? The fanatic on the left or the fanatic on the right.
P.S. Despite what you may think I do care about the girl and that's one reason I posted this. Just in case its true. I know full well that the members of this forum are usually able to dig up the truth eventually between themselves. Which is another reason why I posted it.
imported_Aelius
Golden Member
I never said it would happen. I said its enough to make it happen. So I don't see where I' wrong.
EDIT: Besides it's just my opinion.
I do not beleive this story because the chances of 17 year old causing serious injury to 3 grown men are slim to none. West's obsession of making Iran or Pakistan look bad is becomming madness now.
These news/stories remind of the tales the tour operators tell to tourists about old castles in Pakistan.
These news/stories remind of the tales the tour operators tell to tourists about old castles in Pakistan.
what would happen to a black person in the U.S. that tried to protect themselves from a gang of whites anytime prior to say 1950? Who do you think would do jailtime? Go back a few years they could just lynch the guy at midnight and be home in time for corn flakes. Think what you wish, in your heart i think you truly know we are not too far from stuff like this.....like i said maybe 100 years. 100 years ago ANY white person could pick any black woman that he chose and could do what he pleased. She wouldnd dare resist. how come you really dont like looking at the history of the US? Do you think what im saying is false?
imported_Aelius
Golden Member
I don't think you are right.
First of all we don't know jack about her. Second, how fast or strong do you have to be to stab someone with a knife? Forget thrillers and horror movies. People don't neccessarily stand in one place holding a knife the wrong way and shaking like a leaf.
Some people actually belieave that they can hurt you and are more then willing to try. It's a state of mind. Especially when someone is about to rape you or hurt you. It doesn't matter what age or gender you are, so long as you are old enough to think for yourself.
I have seen this first hand in the Canadian Forces to some degree. I think others here whom have actually been in combat would be more qualified to verify this. Anyone here in the IDF, Canadian Forces or any other military that allows girls to serve as front line troops in combat that has seen this either for or against my argument?
imported_Aelius
Golden Member
ROFL
I was waiting for that remark. At least you beat one of the fanatics to it. =P
0roo0roo
No Lifer
ugh, that was the south and forces in our country prevailed against that thinking. we were a true democracy and was well on the path to fixing our faults. its in no way comparable to the brutal theorcracy that is iran. its 100 years past and the world knows better. yet you still try to explain justify their crimes. sorry you are so busy trying to be an apologist you cant see this. if you are going to be so busy saying the iranians arent so bad because we had problems in our past. perhaps that same line of thinking can be used to defend the lynchings and racist unjustice you are so fixated on. so don't be so quick to go down that road.
The Linuxator
Banned
Agreed.
Wow your sources surely look credible and unbiased and supported their arguments with pure logic example :
Why Mohammed was not a prophet:
One who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad?s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their ?right hand possessions? (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.
Hmm so Mohammad was a "thug", "pervert","robber", ok when was the last time I saw a robber who had authority over the most powerful army at that time, and he used to barley have anyhting that he owned ???? I mean if his true aspirations were power and women and what not he was offered all of that by the ppl of Mecca, in fear of his message spreading in the future they told him, we will give you all you want of money, power, women , ownership...etc if you just stop preaching the message of Islam , he told them that if they would to put the sun on one of his hands and the moon on the other he would not stop spreading his message, I mean look up this man, when was the last time you saw a man with so much power and influence and never used all of that to get himself some property ? He had no money for himself ! He had no possesions. All he had was a humble little house and that was it, he never build himself castles nor had fancy clothes he was just a man with no desires for this world, he came with a purpose and a message he accomplished his purpose and spread his message that was all his job.
"his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child."
Oh please , do you know why Mohammad is considered one of the greatest men of all time ?
If you want an example of a leader that has seen everythign there is no other than Mohammad to sho you how :
- His Dad passed away before he ever saw him.
- His mom Died when he was something like 6-7.
- He moved to live with his relatives, and all of those started dying one after the other,
- He was a completely illeterate man, didn't know how to read nor write, nor he ever read a single book before.
- He grew up started working in trade with his relatives, he became very popular because he was known to be the man who can be trusted with anything, he gained his name through being fair, honest and trustworthy.
- After all of that he became a husband , not so much after that lost his wife to death, now he is a widowed man.
- Before his wife dies he gets the message from Gabriel, that he is chosen to be the prophet of God.
- He is ordered to spread his message amongst his people (in secret at the begining).
- He and his followers were tortured beyond what you can imagine, not only tortured but boycotted no one was allowed to do trade with them, they had no one to supply them with water and food, they were dying of one by one.
- He got rejected by his own people even his own rich uncle rejected him and helped those who have hurt him.
- He moves to Madina, and then at that point is where everything took a turn, the whole city welcomed his message.
- The idol worshipers feared that his message might get even more popular than that, they start fighting him through a series of battles that he himself participated in and was so close to dying many times.
- After several battles that took a lot of time, he came out victorious. Snd declared an end to the age of ignorance.
and then he lives in Mecca till the end of his life, during which he had remarried and had children and all his boys die.
So this man refuses power and fortune for the sake of his message, he was an orphan, a father, a trader, a messenger, an honest person, a widow, a leader, a husband a fighter an example a PArent who lost his children, aperson who lost his family, a person who got rejected by his own people and treated like a shame. See the beautiful thing about Mohammad is that this man not only was able to preach his message through that hard circumstance that he had to go through, but got to apply all of that in his own life for all to see, this is a man that if he said he did.
So ya your sources seem pretty credible how can a man after lviing through all of that not feel for others ?
Hadn't he felt for orphans through his experience as an orphan ?
Didn't he feel for the week ? He was week amongst his people, he was mocked, disgraced and hurt.
He was a forgiving man, he returned to Mecca with an army capable of making every person that had hurt him when he was weak just vanish, still he ordered his troops that upon returnign to MEcca, that no one not carrying a sword aganist them will not be hurt !! Compare that to Stalin or Hitler they would just vaporize those people and not spare them for antoher second.
"Why Quran is not from God:
Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a ?Surah like it? or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty. "
So the Quran has no miracles eh ? And science doesn't prove that the Quran is from a supreme being . OK let's watch this video and see if it does or not.
"The Quran is full of errors" OK show me one ? Even non-Muslim Arabs agree that the Quran is the most linguisticly extensive and error free piece of Arabic litareture ever! I defy you guys to find me an error or a contradiction in any place in the Quran, I got to warn you though you never will.
What kind of info is this man ?
I bet you I can get you same quality stuff about any relegion, I can't count how many haters can make a website and post it and talk about why they don't like Islam, Judaisim, Christianity, Buhdisim....etc
So Islam is the evil of the whole world, and all of what western civilizations have caused of destruction and anihlation of races and nations is just something forgiven, let me tell you Islam made more of a positive influence on the world than any western civilization and gave others of other relegion more freedom to practice their relgion, look at Spain before Islam and after Islam you will get a good idea of what I mean.
Even women were given more rights than any other civilization in Europe did.
Tell me in this country when did we give African-Americans full equal rights as other people ? Yes it wasn't untill some decades ago. Slavery was abolished immediatley after Mohammad had enough power to do it, before he rised to power he used to have his followers collect money in secret and they used to go to people who own slaves and buy them then free them and let them be at peace.
I really don't see where the cruelty lies in Islam . Islam existed at times where war was how everything is dealt with , I don't think you could have had a UN meeting between Mohammad and the Roman Empire so they can discuss their options.
The Linuxator
Banned
OMG!!!!
0roo0roo
No Lifer
your delusional rambling that does nothing to prove the validity of islam, let alone your patently absurd claims of the perfection of the koran and its supposed scientific proof which is as bad as the creationists we know so well, let alone anything else does nothing but prove my point. a perfect book that contains such horrors is what you worship? you worship evil. it exists in the book no matter how apologists grasp at straws to explain away the undeniable ugliness contained within. in your book your god is evil, it is basically the mind of your god after all, unchangable, without error, and as such you most certainly worship evil. you are the pat robertson of islam. you cannot be unbiased about something that is wrong. you cannot be neutral on reason. it is absurd nonsense. you can make claims all you want, but that doesn't make them valid. faith, esp islam doesnt hold up to critical thought.
The Linuxator
Banned
I didn't say anything else, why ? Because I am off to verify the reality of all of the cllaims, and am going to verify each quote in there befroe I can say if this info can be used or not, but I see refrences in that article that are jsut too detailed to be a fabrication, still I am looking things up and see if I can get direct links for each quote from the source.
The Linuxator
Banned
0roo0roo
No Lifer
any reasonable person that claims to have proof of faith with scientific evidence is someone that should be laughed at and scorned. it is silly as creationism, or intelligent design and their claims of "scientific proof", and actually worse considernig what you are essentially an apologist for. the more you type, the more absurd you look. give me mainstream peer reviewed scientific journals proving the validity of islam as the true faith. do it.
you can't.
now go ahead and educate yourself, get your head out of that hole. bring up google, and type in koran AND contradictions.
shouldn't come up with anything, but it does😛
all you are left with is a brain washing as severe as the nazification in germany, or the rabid racism of the past. you think they could be reasoned with? no, they were like you.
you can't.
now go ahead and educate yourself, get your head out of that hole. bring up google, and type in koran AND contradictions.
shouldn't come up with anything, but it does😛
all you are left with is a brain washing as severe as the nazification in germany, or the rabid racism of the past. you think they could be reasoned with? no, they were like you.
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