17 Year old Girl Sentenced to Death

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Amused
If human rights and freedom are won over oppression, who the fsck cares if there is an ulterior motive?

The world is not, never has been, and never will be altruistic. Get used to that. The sooner you accept that the less you'll waste your time on idealism and wishful thinking.

And if you cannot see the common sense in stabilizing the ME your idealism has won over your ability to think clearly.

So lying to go to war is okay?

No one lied, as shown in my response to your silly post. Simple fact: Saddam repeatedly, and callously broke resolution 1441. This gave us the legal right to remove him from power as per the cease fire agreement after the '91 gulf war.

They definitely pulled the wool over the eyes of many nations, this administration. How many other nations are "callously breaking" resolution 1441, btw? Maybe we should go take them over too.

 

[rh71]

I have nothing nice to say... I'm just going to turn a blind eye to this one... but only after I made this statement.

 

[mundane]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: krmarks
I really don't care what reason they gave the public as to why we went to war.
Fact is we needed to be there

Nor do I care that oil is there or not.

Great, then what is keeping us out of Sudan?

As much as I cringe to agree with your POV (absolutely no offense intended towards you), you've hit the issue. Sure, it's great to get rid of a despot yadda yadda Human Rights yadda yadda Freedom Fries, but if there's no 'benefit' from it, the situation will largely go ignored. The situation in parts of Africa is attrocious, but the World community does very little because
*Little cultural / ethinic ties
*Not crucial to national security
*No economic benefits
*Regional stability isn't important.
I was in favor of the current excursion in Iraq, but I don't kid myself about our (US, Western) motivations in involvement in the ME. Self interest largely governs policy - always has, always will. If we can accomplish one of the above elements and soothe our conscience by working to improve conditions, why not?

BTW, I searched for more sources to the story (see my above post). I was only able to find two non-blog articles on the story. Most results were blogs, linking back to IranFocus.

 

[Syringer]

Can we lock this thread yet? P&N is thata way.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Amused
If human rights and freedom are won over oppression, who the fsck cares if there is an ulterior motive?

The world is not, never has been, and never will be altruistic. Get used to that. The sooner you accept that the less you'll waste your time on idealism and wishful thinking.

And if you cannot see the common sense in stabilizing the ME your idealism has won over your ability to think clearly.

So lying to go to war is okay?

No one lied, as shown in my response to your silly post. Simple fact: Saddam repeatedly, and callously broke resolution 1441. This gave us the legal right to remove him from power as per the cease fire agreement after the '91 gulf war.

They definitely pulled the wool over the eyes of many nations, this administration. How many other nations are "callously breaking" resolution 1441, btw? Maybe we should go take them over too.

Well, since resolution 1441 only applied to Iraq....None.

 

[RallyMaster]

Those bastards. Darn the crazy leader they've got.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Amused
If human rights and freedom are won over oppression, who the fsck cares if there is an ulterior motive?

The world is not, never has been, and never will be altruistic. Get used to that. The sooner you accept that the less you'll waste your time on idealism and wishful thinking.

And if you cannot see the common sense in stabilizing the ME your idealism has won over your ability to think clearly.

So lying to go to war is okay?

No one lied, as shown in my response to your silly post. Simple fact: Saddam repeatedly, and callously broke resolution 1441. This gave us the legal right to remove him from power as per the cease fire agreement after the '91 gulf war.

They definitely pulled the wool over the eyes of many nations, this administration. How many other nations are "callously breaking" resolution 1441, btw? Maybe we should go take them over too.

Well, since resolution 1441 only applied to Iraq....None.

LOL, yep. At least know what the fsck you're talking about before jumping into a conversation and accusing people of deception. The fact that you don;t even know what UN resolution 1441 was shows that you have no business discussing this issue much less drawing conclusions.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Linflas
Shhh!!! The whole big lie thing is central to their world view.

It's refreshing to see you and Amused find our administration to be a beacon of truth.

When did I make that claim? Do you think going to ridiculous extremes will prove your point?

Claim: The Bush admin lied about WMDs.

Fact: Simply impossible, since every other intelligence agency in the world came to the same conclusion the Bush admin did, and the Clinton admin did before him. Also impossible since independent investigations by both the Brits and the Russians found that no deception was evident.

To call Bush a liar in this case is simplistic nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence to support such claims.

What would truly be refreshing is for you to actually think for yourself instead of mindlessly bleating party line bullsh!t.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Amused
If human rights and freedom are won over oppression, who the fsck cares if there is an ulterior motive?

The world is not, never has been, and never will be altruistic. Get used to that. The sooner you accept that the less you'll waste your time on idealism and wishful thinking.

And if you cannot see the common sense in stabilizing the ME your idealism has won over your ability to think clearly.

So lying to go to war is okay?

No one lied, as shown in my response to your silly post. Simple fact: Saddam repeatedly, and callously broke resolution 1441. This gave us the legal right to remove him from power as per the cease fire agreement after the '91 gulf war.

They definitely pulled the wool over the eyes of many nations, this administration. How many other nations are "callously breaking" resolution 1441, btw? Maybe we should go take them over too.

Well, since resolution 1441 only applied to Iraq....None.

LOL, yep. At least know what the fsck you're talking about before jumping into a conversation and accusing people of deception. The fact that you don;t even know what UN resolution 1441 was shows that you have no business discussing this issue much less drawing conclusions.

That's pretty funny that you think I didn't know what it was, my point went over your shallow intellect. That's aside from the fact that our lying administration could give 2 shts about what the UN says and would have went to war anyhow. My question to you: How's the tunnel vision in there?

You say "noone lied". That's the funniest quote I've ever read, and it brightens my day to read such naivete again and again from sheep such as yourself.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Linflas
Shhh!!! The whole big lie thing is central to their world view.

It's refreshing to see you and Amused find our administration to be a beacon of truth.

When did I make that claim? Do you think going to ridiculous extremes will prove your point?

Claim: The Bush admin lied about WMDs.

Fact: Simply impossible, since every other intelligence agency in the world came to the same conclusion the Bush admin did, and the Clinton admin did before him. Also impossible since independent investigations by both the Brits and the Russians found that no deception was evident.

To call Bush a liar in this case is simplistic nonsense. There is absolutely no evidence to support such claims.

What would truly be refreshing is for you to actually think for yourself instead of mindlessly bleating party line bullsh!t.

It's easy to influence other nations when they're on their knees because you're a superpower. Case in point: Brits and Russians. Of course they're going to back us, are you that naive? Naive seems to be the word of the day around here. Baa, baa.

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well they already hung some gay teens.

anyways..the outrage in the muslim world about this stuff... deafening eh?

oh teh cartoons..oh noes..the cartoons. just makes u want to b*tch smack these people

To them, killing people isnt such a big deal. Lives are cheap in the view of many in the world.

To them, offending their god(s) with cartoons is as bad as you think them killing these teens are.

No big deal to me. Its bad, yea, but its their way of life.

I'd just have to say that both of you are equally wrong in what you do. So very wrong. They do their religious things, Americans do theirs (or their majority atleast).

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Amused
If human rights and freedom are won over oppression, who the fsck cares if there is an ulterior motive?

The world is not, never has been, and never will be altruistic. Get used to that. The sooner you accept that the less you'll waste your time on idealism and wishful thinking.

And if you cannot see the common sense in stabilizing the ME your idealism has won over your ability to think clearly.

So lying to go to war is okay?

No one lied, as shown in my response to your silly post. Simple fact: Saddam repeatedly, and callously broke resolution 1441. This gave us the legal right to remove him from power as per the cease fire agreement after the '91 gulf war.

They definitely pulled the wool over the eyes of many nations, this administration. How many other nations are "callously breaking" resolution 1441, btw? Maybe we should go take them over too.

Well, since resolution 1441 only applied to Iraq....None.

LOL, yep. At least know what the fsck you're talking about before jumping into a conversation and accusing people of deception. The fact that you don;t even know what UN resolution 1441 was shows that you have no business discussing this issue much less drawing conclusions.

That's pretty funny that you think I didn't know what it was, my point went over your shallow intellect. That's aside from the fact that our lying administration could give 2 shts about what the UN says and would have went to war anyhow. My question to you: How's the tunnel vision in there?

You say "noone lied". That's the funniest quote I've ever read, and it brightens my day to read such naivete again and again from sheep such as yourself.

Twice you call me naive, and a sheep... yet you provide no valid evidence of deception. Only name calling and baseless accusations.

The fact of the matter is the entire world community, based on independent intelligence, came to the same conclusion we did. The prior administration also came to the same conclusion based on intelligence gathered over the previous 12 years.

Is every major intelligence agency in the world a liar too? Is Clinton a liar too?

UN resolution 1441 was crafted to give the allies a legal way of enforcing the cease fire agreement. That it was crafted in the UN is moot. It was crafted by the allies and the UN used as a legal entity from which to issue such an agreement. Again, you know nothing about this except the partisan revisionist BS you've been fed. The problem is, some of us can not only think for ourselves, we also can remember very recent history and won't fall for the BS from those who think they can rewrite history so soon after it happening.

 

[Dimmu]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Well said man, well said!

 

[RGN]

I have no respect for a people that find this respectable. Basic human morality says this is wrong. I hope the people involved die a slow painful death and rot in hell for eternity.

 

[Finality]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Finality

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Aimster
This has nothing to do with Islam and last I checked nobody likes the govt. of Iran so there won't be any protest on the street.
Foxnews would be all over this. They always have something on the cover of their site about Iran.

Nothing to do with Islam??? Last time I checked the official name of the country is "Islamic Republic of Iran" and they claim to be governed by Islamic law. Theirs may be a minority view of Islam but they do claim they govern by it's laws and customs.

They can claim whatever they want, but it doesn't mean they are what they claim.

Sentencing a girl to death for stabbing a man can be linked to Islam how? In this case it was supposedly self-defense according to that site. If this is the case then Islamic Law would protect her.

That's like saying an attack on Iran would be an attack on the religion of Islam because their country is labeled "Islamic Republic".

A bunch of corrupt old bag mullahs run Iran.

Vs a corrup bunch of mullahs that run Saudi Arabia, or was it a corrupt bunch of mullahs that ran Afghanistan? Please tell me at what point you stop making excuses, just give me a numer of dead civilians and I'll get back to you then.

The muslim world is full of honor killings you know it your muslim stop denying it. Afghan is filled with cases of it and rape cases is Saudi rarely get heard.

By muslim law it takes two womens testimony to equal that of a man and women are rarely believed anyway.

jpeyton I take it your another one of our resident mulsims defending the cause right?

You don't know what it is you are talkin about.

Honor killings is cultural.

Iran does not have honor killings.

If you want to go look it up go look it up. Show me 5 honor killings that have happened in Iran.

& you are calling me a Muslim and then suggesting I an denying it?
How about you go sit in the corner and never leave that corner?

People who dont know anything about the topic in discussion should not post. They just look foolish. If you think by calling me a Muslim that it is going to insult me then you are even a bigger fool than I thought.

I just pointed out that you are a muslim and you are trying to defend your cause regardless of how misdirected you are. Most people view the Muslim relgion as a problem today and its getting worse every day. Like I stated before I used to defend the Muslim relgion (look up my old posts) because what they preached had a very good message but its becoming more obvious that it is a problematic religion. You cannot sit there and justufy anything anyone has done Palestine, Lebanon or whatever.

As for show me honor killings in the muslim religion

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer206/ruggi.htm
http://www.mwlusa.org/publications/positionpapers/hk.html

What muslims practice and what they preach are two totally different things.

'Peace and love for all.... buuuuut if they are not muslim or dont conform to our view TIME FOR JIHAD!'

If you think for one moment violence justifies violence your totally misdirected. Take India with Ghandi he staged peaceful protests and got the world behind him. Running terrorist acts against the rest of the world gets your cause no where, in fact it just galvanizes people more against you. I suggest you start preaching to fellow muslims that no act of violence is justified vs 'Palestenians have a right so its OK for them to kill as many Israelis as possible, but we dont condemn violence' :roll:

FYI I was never in support for the war in Iraq but once the US was in there, it cannot pull out regardless of what happens. Iraq will turn into another Taliban run Afghanistan if the US pulls out and every US politician knows that, so do most world leaders thats why the calls to stop the Iraq situation have ceased.

 

[Finality]

Oh yeah my favorite 9/11 excuse so far is "It wasn't Bin Laden it was the Jews that did it!"

The sad part is a lot of muslims I talked to believe it because they believe muslims cant commit violence....... 'Teh funny'

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Finality
As for show me honor killings in the muslim religion

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer206/ruggi.htm
http://www.mwlusa.org/publications/positionpapers/hk.html

Links to two websites...the word "Iran" appearing zero times on each page...one article almost 7 years old...zero facts/dates/figures, only speculation...

Grabbing at straws?

Sob stories are a dime a dozen. There are 30,000 in Iraq if you want to listen.

Rape, murder, crimes against humanity 100x worse than the honor killings you hear about at your local recruiter's office occur everyday. I'm just curious why you guys like latching onto Bush's favorite flavor.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Finality
Oh yeah my favorite 9/11 excuse so far is "It wasn't Bin Laden it was the Jews that did it!"

The sad part is a lot of muslims I talked to believe it because they believe muslims cant commit violence....... 'Teh funny'

No Muslim you have ever talked to has said this.

Talking to Muslims on http://www.jihadchat.com is not going to cut it

😛

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Finality

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Finality

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Aimster
This has nothing to do with Islam and last I checked nobody likes the govt. of Iran so there won't be any protest on the street.
Foxnews would be all over this. They always have something on the cover of their site about Iran.

Nothing to do with Islam??? Last time I checked the official name of the country is "Islamic Republic of Iran" and they claim to be governed by Islamic law. Theirs may be a minority view of Islam but they do claim they govern by it's laws and customs.

They can claim whatever they want, but it doesn't mean they are what they claim.

Sentencing a girl to death for stabbing a man can be linked to Islam how? In this case it was supposedly self-defense according to that site. If this is the case then Islamic Law would protect her.

That's like saying an attack on Iran would be an attack on the religion of Islam because their country is labeled "Islamic Republic".

A bunch of corrupt old bag mullahs run Iran.

Vs a corrup bunch of mullahs that run Saudi Arabia, or was it a corrupt bunch of mullahs that ran Afghanistan? Please tell me at what point you stop making excuses, just give me a numer of dead civilians and I'll get back to you then.

The muslim world is full of honor killings you know it your muslim stop denying it. Afghan is filled with cases of it and rape cases is Saudi rarely get heard.

By muslim law it takes two womens testimony to equal that of a man and women are rarely believed anyway.

jpeyton I take it your another one of our resident mulsims defending the cause right?

You don't know what it is you are talkin about.

Honor killings is cultural.

Iran does not have honor killings.

If you want to go look it up go look it up. Show me 5 honor killings that have happened in Iran.

& you are calling me a Muslim and then suggesting I an denying it?
How about you go sit in the corner and never leave that corner?

People who dont know anything about the topic in discussion should not post. They just look foolish. If you think by calling me a Muslim that it is going to insult me then you are even a bigger fool than I thought.

I just pointed out that you are a muslim and you are trying to defend your cause regardless of how misdirected you are. Most people view the Muslim relgion as a problem today and its getting worse every day. Like I stated before I used to defend the Muslim relgion (look up my old posts) because what they preached had a very good message but its becoming more obvious that it is a problematic religion. You cannot sit there and justufy anything anyone has done Palestine, Lebanon or whatever.

As for show me honor killings in the muslim religion

http://www.merip.org/mer/mer206/ruggi.htm
http://www.mwlusa.org/publications/positionpapers/hk.html

What muslims practice and what they preach are two totally different things.

'Peace and love for all.... buuuuut if they are not muslim or dont conform to our view TIME FOR JIHAD!'

If you think for one moment violence justifies violence your totally misdirected. Take India with Ghandi he staged peaceful protests and got the world behind him. Running terrorist acts against the rest of the world gets your cause no where, in fact it just galvanizes people more against you. I suggest you start preaching to fellow muslims that no act of violence is justified vs 'Palestenians have a right so its OK for them to kill as many Israelis as possible, but we dont condemn violence' :roll:

FYI I was never in support for the war in Iraq but once the US was in there, it cannot pull out regardless of what happens. Iraq will turn into another Taliban run Afghanistan if the US pulls out and every US politician knows that, so do most world leaders thats why the calls to stop the Iraq situation have ceased.

I am a Muslim?
I drank alcohol last night and I smoked weed. I'm about to take my girlfriend to a nice hotel so we can do it in a hot tub. I should be the poster boy of all Muslims, no?

Iran's leader has even said honor killings is not part of Islam. The leader of the "Islamic Nation". Iran has 70 million people living there. All I asked you to do was find 5 cases where honor killings have happened inside Iran.

Honor killings happen all over the world you know. Israel and even the U.S.

Stop assuming I am something just because I am pointing out the truth. If you wish to debate the truth with me at least prove me wrong.

I can show you an article of a woman killing her baby in the name of Jesus. I can show you numerous articles of it happening in the U.S. With your thinking the following can be said:

U.S Christian Women Kill Their Babies Because Jesus Told Them To Do It

 

[AccruedExpenditure]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iranfocus.com is not a reliable source of information.

They make up a lot of their information or leave parts out.

Google many of their stories. You will find many hits and they will all lead back to Iranfocus.com.

The site is run by a bunch of Iranian exiles who want the U.S to bomb the living hell out of Iran so they can go back to Iran and run the show.

This particular story is old and no other news organization or group is running a story about it. Those who are , are linking the story back to iranfocus.com. Verdict? Fake

Hersay... what is it with you...

 

[Saulbadguy]

Who cares?

 

[PrayForDeath]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Heard about that, I'm beginning to wonder if there's more to stories like this because I'm not able to see even the slightest bit of reasoning 😕

well, she's a woman, therefore is less than worthless to them.

This is true in Islam. Women are less than men. Islam teaches that women can't testify against men because women are bellow men. So a man rapes a women, and there are no witnesses other than her, nothing happens. Since she is only a woman.

Um, no. That's not true.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Heard about that, I'm beginning to wonder if there's more to stories like this because I'm not able to see even the slightest bit of reasoning 😕

well, she's a woman, therefore is less than worthless to them.

This is true in Islam. Women are less than men. Islam teaches that women can't testify against men because women are bellow men. So a man rapes a women, and there are no witnesses other than her, nothing happens. Since she is only a woman.

wow! you're the most open-minded person I know!!!

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Amused

Twice you call me naive, and a sheep... yet you provide no valid evidence of deception. Only name calling and baseless accusations.

The fact of the matter is the entire world community, based on independent intelligence, came to the same conclusion we did. The prior administration also came to the same conclusion based on intelligence gathered over the previous 12 years.

Is every major intelligence agency in the world a liar too? Is Clinton a liar too?

UN resolution 1441 was crafted to give the allies a legal way of enforcing the cease fire agreement. That it was crafted in the UN is moot. It was crafted by the allies and the UN used as a legal entity from which to issue such an agreement. Again, you know nothing about this except the partisan revisionist BS you've been fed. The problem is, some of us can not only think for ourselves, we also can remember very recent history and won't fall for the BS from those who think they can rewrite history so soon after it happening.

Only a naive sheep would believe other governments' affirmations of "WMD's" in Iraq. How convenient, all of these nations are United States suckups. Russia? Are you kidding me? Do you know what they stand to lose by not agreeing with the US? You listed 2 nations (who suckup to us), and think that translates into "every major intelligence agency in the world"? More examples please, 2 countries is not the "world". I don't think you can count Russia as reliable intelligence anyhow.

This US Administration does not view itself as part of the UN after turning their back on them, so don't use 1441 as justification to invade Iraq. IF the US would have waited for a vote from the UN before the war in Iraq, and gathered world support, then I can see your point. But that didn't happen. I sit in awe of your logic.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: PrayForDeath

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Heard about that, I'm beginning to wonder if there's more to stories like this because I'm not able to see even the slightest bit of reasoning 😕

well, she's a woman, therefore is less than worthless to them.

This is true in Islam. Women are less than men. Islam teaches that women can't testify against men because women are bellow men. So a man rapes a women, and there are no witnesses other than her, nothing happens. Since she is only a woman.

Um, no. That's not true.

Why don't you look it up then. I'm not saying its actually tied to the religion as a whole, like this person said. But it is true that in any islamic nation, a women has less rights - and I don't know a single one where a women can even testify in there court system (if you want to call it that). Women have no rights in the middle east, and all people as a whole have fewer rights. Believe what you want, I'm sure its American oppression which is responsible for it all in your twisted viewpoint.