gr8snakee, you're right, I'm interested in what models the ps2 are because of their modchip abillities. the scph-30001/35001 models are version4 which can be modded with the neo4 or messiah chip which doesn't require swapping, even though the modchips works for versions 1,2,3 models as well, early might have more problems then a more recent model. I'm holding back for now because there's a possibility for me to get a new ps2 for $200 within this vacation period, even if the new one is version 5(scph-30001R, the "R" is the only sign I know that tehy are version 5, but rarely, sometimes even if it says 30001R, it might still contain a version 4 inside if you're lucky), I'm willing to get a version 5 even if the neo4 or messiah modchips don't work because I would have saved over a $100 when tax and shipping is included. hopefully I can come back and post: "yes o yes I got a ps2 for $200" if not, i'll just play old games on my computer and be depressed for the new years.