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[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

I said GST and GSX. GST = TSi, and GSX = TSi AWD.

ah, then yes the engine is the same, maybe brakes too. but that suspension would have been changed to accomodate for the awd system

Slightly, but the car is pretty much the same. For him to make fun of FWD compacts is pretty hypocritical (to me) since his car is based on one. And the model that's below his GSX is also FWD.

And as "fast" as his car was back in the day, my slow car is only .3s slower today. Without the help of a turbo. And brand new, with full warranty. I just hate it when people are condescending.

what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

usually high output NA engine (s2k, RSX-s etc.) have really high compression as is, so it's hard to add forced induction reliably (unless you wanna drive on race gas 24-7).

not really, you have to lower the compression. but then whatever your adding needs to increase your overall power higher than what the NA engine already could do.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

Check my sig... what my car sounds like

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

I said GST and GSX. GST = TSi, and GSX = TSi AWD.

ah, then yes the engine is the same, maybe brakes too. but that suspension would have been changed to accomodate for the awd system

Slightly, but the car is pretty much the same. For him to make fun of FWD compacts is pretty hypocritical (to me) since his car is based on one. And the model that's below his GSX is also FWD.

And as "fast" as his car was back in the day, my slow car is only .3s slower today. Without the help of a turbo. And brand new, with full warranty. I just hate it when people are condescending.

what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

usually high output NA engine (s2k, RSX-s etc.) have really high compression as is, so it's hard to add forced induction reliably (unless you wanna drive on race gas 24-7).

not really, you have to lower the compression. but then whatever your adding needs to increase your overall power higher than what the NA engine already could do.

yeah lowering compression means you need either diffent rods, pistons or heads. None of those are easy or cheap to get or install. So you're looking at a lot of money to add power over stock.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

Check my sig... what my car sounds like

ah, so that was your car. the only time i'll be condecending to people that race is when they use a 4 door sedan to try and race. the added weight is point less! its like trying to race a pcikup truck witn nothing covering the bed, drag sucks

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

I said GST and GSX. GST = TSi, and GSX = TSi AWD.

ah, then yes the engine is the same, maybe brakes too. but that suspension would have been changed to accomodate for the awd system

Slightly, but the car is pretty much the same. For him to make fun of FWD compacts is pretty hypocritical (to me) since his car is based on one. And the model that's below his GSX is also FWD.

And as "fast" as his car was back in the day, my slow car is only .3s slower today. Without the help of a turbo. And brand new, with full warranty. I just hate it when people are condescending.

what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

usually high output NA engine (s2k, RSX-s etc.) have really high compression as is, so it's hard to add forced induction reliably (unless you wanna drive on race gas 24-7).

not really, you have to lower the compression. but then whatever your adding needs to increase your overall power higher than what the NA engine already could do.

yeah lowering compression means you need either diffent rods, pistons or heads. None of those are easy or cheap to get or install. So you're looking at a lot of money to add power over stock.

yes, but if you are wanting more power, thats the way to do it. otherwise, buy the engine with forced induction (if it was made that way). or live with your na car and try and figure out how you can increase its power w/out FI

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

Check my sig... what my car sounds like

ah, so that was your car. the only time i'll be condecending to people that race is when they use a 4 door sedan to try and race. the added weight is point less! its like trying to race a pcikup truck witn nothing covering the bed, drag sucks

That's my car, but that wasn't my car in the video. My car's fairly light, only 2800lbs. And even though the engine's advertised as 162hp/162lb-ft, it dynoes the same as the 175hp Sentra SpecV.

This Lancer feels so much more lively than 162 horsepower suggests, largely because it's blessed with one of the most torque-rich and flexible four-cylinder engines ever.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

Check my sig... what my car sounds like

ah, so that was your car. the only time i'll be condecending to people that race is when they use a 4 door sedan to try and race. the added weight is point less! its like trying to race a pcikup truck witn nothing covering the bed, drag sucks

That's my car, but that wasn't my car in the video. My car's fairly light, only 2800lbs. And even though the engine's advertised as 162hp/162lb-ft, it dynoes the same as the 175hp Sentra SpecV.

This Lancer feels so much more lively than 162 horsepower suggests, largely because it's blessed with one of the most torque-rich and flexible four-cylinder engines ever.

my car's curb weight is 2100 cause it has the 3spd auto, the 5spd weighs 2000 or so

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

Check my sig... what my car sounds like

ah, so that was your car. the only time i'll be condecending to people that race is when they use a 4 door sedan to try and race. the added weight is point less! its like trying to race a pcikup truck witn nothing covering the bed, drag sucks

That's my car, but that wasn't my car in the video. My car's fairly light, only 2800lbs. And even though the engine's advertised as 162hp/162lb-ft, it dynoes the same as the 175hp Sentra SpecV.

This Lancer feels so much more lively than 162 horsepower suggests, largely because it's blessed with one of the most torque-rich and flexible four-cylinder engines ever.

my car's curb weight is 2100 cause it has the 3spd auto, the 5spd weighs 2000 or so

Good luck trying to find a car that light nowadays...

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

Check my sig... what my car sounds like

ah, so that was your car. the only time i'll be condecending to people that race is when they use a 4 door sedan to try and race. the added weight is point less! its like trying to race a pcikup truck witn nothing covering the bed, drag sucks

That's my car, but that wasn't my car in the video. My car's fairly light, only 2800lbs. And even though the engine's advertised as 162hp/162lb-ft, it dynoes the same as the 175hp Sentra SpecV.

This Lancer feels so much more lively than 162 horsepower suggests, largely because it's blessed with one of the most torque-rich and flexible four-cylinder engines ever.

my car's curb weight is 2100 cause it has the 3spd auto, the 5spd weighs 2000 or so

Good luck trying to find a car that light nowadays...

lotus?

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
lotus?

You mean a rare, imported, limited editon, bare bones *cough*track*cough* car that can sit anyone over 6' tall?

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmattlotus?

You mean a rare, imported, limited editon, track car?

you said car. you didnt specify that it had to be easy to find. or cheap

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmattlotus?

You mean a rare, imported, limited editon, track car?

you said car. you didnt specify that it had to be easy to find. or cheap

Or comfortable. Or practical.

 

[EGGO]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
99.999999999% of people who buy cars will NEVER take it to a track. EVER. But they do care how quick their cars are, and this video shows how quick the cars are relative to each other while relatively stock.

I'm that little germ in that statistic that is a handling whore.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmattlotus?

You mean a rare, imported, limited editon, track car?

you said car. you didnt specify that it had to be easy to find. or cheap

Or comfortable. Or practical.

honestly, i've heard that some of the lotus's are fairly comfortable. now honda did make a light car than mine, heard it was called the civic

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: EGGO

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
99.999999999% of people who buy cars will NEVER take it to a track. EVER. But they do care how quick their cars are, and this video shows how quick the cars are relative to each other while relatively stock.

I'm that little germ in that statistic that is a handling whore.

to me, handling is top thing i want in a car. if it has alot of power but can only go straight, its no fun.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
honestly, i've heard that some of the lotus's are fairly comfortable. now honda did make a light car than mine, heard it was called the civic

Key word being did. The quickest Civic they make now weighs 2800lbs. Which makes it as heavy (and with less torque to work with) as my more practical 4-door.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
honestly, i've heard that some of the lotus's are fairly comfortable. now honda did make a light car than mine, heard it was called the civic

Key word being did. The quickest Civic they make now weighs 2800lbs.

the crx si is still fairly quick, and there is an integra engine to put in it to make it faster and not add much weight

 

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: SampSon
Even with a chip and exhaust I believe my old GTi would still beat it.
I almost went for one of the new 1.8t's in the VW line, but decided to go with a subaru.

I think that it's closer to 400lbs heavier, but when chipped, the 1.8t pushes over 250hp. It's also a 6-speed, and it has the advantage of being under boost at speed.

Chipped GLIs don't make 250 at the wheels. The best I've seen on vw forums is around 225-230 at the wheels, with quite a bit of torque.

These are also cars that are pretty decked out, running high boost (21psi or so) on stock internals, turbo, and usually ecu.

If I still had my GTi I would go against a modded gli anyday of the week.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
honestly, i've heard that some of the lotus's are fairly comfortable. now honda did make a light car than mine, heard it was called the civic

Key word being did. The quickest Civic they make now weighs 2800lbs.

the crx si is still fairly quick, and there is an integra engine to put in it to make it faster and not add much weight

Yeah, but those cars are all old, you can't buy them anymore, they have no warranty, doing engine swaps isn't free, and I'm not entirely sure if they'll even pass the smog check. They're beat up, they have no creature comforts, and they'll get annihilated by the cars on the road today.

You should watch the Final Gear episode when the '90s Civic gets T-boned by a Montero. OUCH.

EDIT: What do you mean by fairly quick? I don't think they're anywhere near 7s in the 0-60mph.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
honestly, i've heard that some of the lotus's are fairly comfortable. now honda did make a light car than mine, heard it was called the civic

Key word being did. The quickest Civic they make now weighs 2800lbs.

the crx si is still fairly quick, and there is an integra engine to put in it to make it faster and not add much weight

Yeah, but those cars are all old, you can't buy them anymore, they have no warranty, doing engine swaps isn't free, and I'm not entirely sure if they'll even pass the smog check. They're beat up, they have no creature comforts, and they'll get annihilated by the cars on the road today.

You should watch the Final Gear episode when the '90s Civic gets T-boned by a Montero. OUCH.

honestly, i try and do all the mechanic work myself. If something comes up that I can't do with the tools I have (example, tranny went in my car, I could not replace it myself), then i find a trustworthy shop. If you are willing to spend time and money, your car can be what you want it to be. also, cars were not designed to be crash worthy, at most speeds. goto Wrecked Exotics and see for yourself

edit: you can still buy those cars, its all in who you know.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuyEDIT: What do you mean by fairly quick? I don't think they're anywhere near 7s in the 0-60mph.

the guys that do that are not having themselves tapped. or posting in forums, you gotta see them at the track or keep up with them on the freeway.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuyEDIT: What do you mean by fairly quick? I don't think they're anywhere near 7s in the 0-60mph.

the guys that do that are not having themselves tapped. or posting in forums, you gotta see them at the track or keep up with them on the freeway.

You said that it's still fairly quick. I'm not familiar with what they do stock, that's why I'm asking. I doubt that they're anywhere near 7s in the 0-60mph.

 

[scorpmatt]

the last crx si was 8.7 0-60 and 16.5 1/4 mile. thats peppy to me. mine does some around 10-13 seconds, making the engine go to redline in 2nd gear. to only have one more gear....

 

[TuffGuy]

That's pretty slow stock... it's all relative though. =)

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
That's pretty slow stock... it's all relative though. =)

not for an economy car. the crx hf got somewhere around 50mpg. same body style as the crx si, just less power.