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[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: halik
Hell I've seen a mustang beat an R1 and civic beat an M3 and it doesn't tell me that mustangs are better than R1s or the same for the honda/bmw.

Yes, but they've all been so ridiculously modded that they're completely different cars, so they would serve no practical purpose.

I would love to see a vid of a stock GST/GSX vs a 3000GT (non-SLow), a stock 3000GT vs a stock Supra, etc.

I would learn a lot more about he cars that way.

the 3000gt wouldn't stand up against the supra, the vr4 might.

Do you realize what you just said? The 3000GT came in two flavors, the VR-4 and the SLow.

You say, stock 3000gt not 3000gt vr4. or the non-slow. a stock 3000gt would crumble against the supra, my friend's 87 supra proved that to me.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
I think the only the fwd talons and the awd talons have in common the body style. Those awd turbos are sweet cars. and I do mean all of the awd turbo cars

And the engine. And the brakes. And the suspension.

wrong, the engine is different. you can't just slap the turbo on the engine and be done with it. there is quite a few changes to that engine, although the size may stay the same, the compression ratio and pistons and a bunch of other things are changed. the suspension is modified so tht the car can take the extra power from the turbo and the brakes are changed to stop the car better

You do realize that the GSX and the GST both had the 4G63, right?

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: SampSon
The music in the video is awful.

which is worse, the music, or sound of their exhausts?

Humor me... What do you think of the sound?

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
I think the only the fwd talons and the awd talons have in common the body style. Those awd turbos are sweet cars. and I do mean all of the awd turbo cars

And the engine. And the brakes. And the suspension.

wrong, the engine is different. you can't just slap the turbo on the engine and be done with it. there is quite a few changes to that engine, although the size may stay the same, the compression ratio and pistons and a bunch of other things are changed. the suspension is modified so tht the car can take the extra power from the turbo and the brakes are changed to stop the car better

You do realize that the GSX and the GST both had the 4G63, right?

*shakes head* the engine code might stay the same, but they changed some of the internal workings, they have to. that turbo would have probably blown the pistons right out of the engine.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
You say, stock 3000gt not 3000gt vr4. or the non-slow. a stock 3000gt would crumble against the supra, my friend's 87 supra proved that to me.

No, I said stock 3000GT (non SLow). That would leave the VR-4. And by stock I mean relatively unmodified.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: SampSon
The music in the video is awful.

which is worse, the music, or sound of their exhausts?

Humor me... What do you think of the sound?

annoying, but not as annoying as what honda exhausts sound like. yeah, even my car has a fairly annoying exhaust sound. thats one of the reasons i upgraded the sound system. but personally, my fav exhaust is the rumble that dodge put on their v8 exhausts... cream your jeans noise.

 

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: SampSon
The music in the video is awful.

which is worse, the music, or sound of their exhausts?

Humor me... What do you think of the sound?

I owned a 97 GTi, chipped, cammed, intake, exhaust, and a few other things.
The sound of the vr6 is nice when done right.

That being said, my GTi would have blown the doors off that jetta like it was standing still.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
*shakes head* the engine code might stay the same, but they changed some of the internal workings, they have to. that turbo would have probably blown the pistons right out of the engine.

Then how do you explain this:

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_...elid=896&trimid=-1&src=VIP&tab=2&sub=0

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
You say, stock 3000gt not 3000gt vr4. or the non-slow. a stock 3000gt would crumble against the supra, my friend's 87 supra proved that to me.

No, I said stock 3000GT (non SLow). That would leave the VR-4. And by stock I mean relatively unmodified.

for the comapre against the gsx yes. but you didnt say that against the supra. but i let it slide. the vr4 and the tt supra are fairly close in comparison, my guess would that it would come down to how crazy the driver is.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
*shakes head* the engine code might stay the same, but they changed some of the internal workings, they have to. that turbo would have probably blown the pistons right out of the engine.

Then how do you explain this:

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Spec_...elid=896&trimid=-1&src=VIP&tab=2&sub=0

ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: SampSon
The music in the video is awful.

which is worse, the music, or sound of their exhausts?

Humor me... What do you think of the sound?

I owned a 97 GTi, chipped, cammed, intake, exhaust, and a few other things.
The sound of the vr6 is nice when done right.

That being said, my GTi would have blown the doors off that jetta like it was standing still.

HAHAHA

So after heavily modifying your GTi, you can beat stock GLIs. What happens if the GLI is chipped and has an exhaust?

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: SampSon
The music in the video is awful.

which is worse, the music, or sound of their exhausts?

Humor me... What do you think of the sound?

I owned a 97 GTi, chipped, cammed, intake, exhaust, and a few other things.
The sound of the vr6 is nice when done right.

That being said, my GTi would have blown the doors off that jetta like it was standing still.

HAHAHA

So after heavily modifying your GTi, you can beat stock GLIs. What happens if the GLI is chipped and has an exhaust?

Weight is a factor in that race

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

I said GST and GSX. GST = TSi, and GSX = TSi AWD.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

I said GST and GSX. GST = TSi, and GSX = TSi AWD.

ah, then yes the engine is the same, maybe brakes too. but that suspension would have been changed to accomodate for the awd system

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
I think the only the fwd talons and the awd talons have in common the body style. Those awd turbos are sweet cars. and I do mean all of the awd turbo cars

And the engine. And the brakes. And the suspension.

wrong, the engine is different. you can't just slap the turbo on the engine and be done with it. there is quite a few changes to that engine, although the size may stay the same, the compression ratio and pistons and a bunch of other things are changed. the suspension is modified so tht the car can take the extra power from the turbo and the brakes are changed to stop the car better

actually FWD and AWD turbo cars have very close specs - same engine 4g63, turbo etc. AWD has LSDs front and back (FWD optional), both have the same brakes.

Now the two base models have different engine (420A - similar to whats in neons), no LSD, different tranny, and drums in the back

 

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: SampSon
The music in the video is awful.

which is worse, the music, or sound of their exhausts?

Humor me... What do you think of the sound?

I owned a 97 GTi, chipped, cammed, intake, exhaust, and a few other things.
The sound of the vr6 is nice when done right.

That being said, my GTi would have blown the doors off that jetta like it was standing still.

HAHAHA

So after heavily modifying your GTi, you can beat stock GLIs. What happens if the GLI is chipped and has an exhaust?

I'm assuming that GLI is stock. Even so, it's fairly heavy. It's at least 300lbs heavier.

Even with a chip and exhaust I believe my old GTi would still beat it.
I almost went for one of the new 1.8t's in the VW line, but decided to go with a subaru.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: amcdonald
It doesn't matter, all those cars in the video are toyotas anyway.

newsflash, read the first post. there is 3 hondas, a hyundai, and a ford. not sure who owns the spec-v

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

I said GST and GSX. GST = TSi, and GSX = TSi AWD.

ah, then yes the engine is the same, maybe brakes too. but that suspension would have been changed to accomodate for the awd system

Slightly, but the car is pretty much the same. For him to make fun of FWD compacts is pretty hypocritical (to me) since his car is based on one. And the model that's below his GSX is also FWD.

And as "fast" as his car was back in the day, my slow car is only .3s slower today. Without the help of a turbo. And brand new, with full warranty. I just hate it when people are condescending.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
I think the only the fwd talons and the awd talons have in common the body style. Those awd turbos are sweet cars. and I do mean all of the awd turbo cars

And the engine. And the brakes. And the suspension.

wrong, the engine is different. you can't just slap the turbo on the engine and be done with it. there is quite a few changes to that engine, although the size may stay the same, the compression ratio and pistons and a bunch of other things are changed. the suspension is modified so tht the car can take the extra power from the turbo and the brakes are changed to stop the car better

Now the two base models have different engine (420A - similar to whats in neons), no LSD, different tranny, and drums in the back

this has been established, read above. the suspension, not the drivetrain, is changed between the fwd and awd.
actually FWD and AWD turbo cars have very close specs - same engine 4g63, turbo etc. AWD has LSDs front and back (FWD optional), both have the same brakes.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

I love how that poor SOB in the Si thinks he has half a chance.

- M4H

 

[juice22]

lol that was so gay

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

I said GST and GSX. GST = TSi, and GSX = TSi AWD.

ah, then yes the engine is the same, maybe brakes too. but that suspension would have been changed to accomodate for the awd system

Slightly, but the car is pretty much the same. For him to make fun of FWD compacts is pretty hypocritical (to me) since his car is based on one. And the model that's below his GSX is also FWD.

And as "fast" as his car was back in the day, my slow car is only .3s slower today. Without the help of a turbo. And brand new, with full warranty. I just hate it when people are condescending.

what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Even with a chip and exhaust I believe my old GTi would still beat it.
I almost went for one of the new 1.8t's in the VW line, but decided to go with a subaru.

I think that it's closer to 400lbs heavier, but when chipped, the 1.8t pushes over 250hp. It's also a 6-speed, and it has the advantage of being under boost at speed.

 

[scorpmatt]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: SampSon
Even with a chip and exhaust I believe my old GTi would still beat it.
I almost went for one of the new 1.8t's in the VW line, but decided to go with a subaru.

I think that it's closer to 400lbs heavier, but when chipped, the 1.8t pushes over 250hp. It's also a 6-speed, and it has the advantage of being under boost at speed.

power to weight ratio. buy a light ass car and get the most powerful engine that will fit in it w/out ruining the ratio

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: scorpmatt
ESi 2.0L 140hp I4

TSi turbo (non-awd) 2.0L 210hp I4

TSi AWD 2.0L 210hp I4

I4 is inline 4, 2.0 is the liters. nowhere on that page does it give the engine code.

Edit: also note that the torque increased but at a lower rpm

I said GST and GSX. GST = TSi, and GSX = TSi AWD.

ah, then yes the engine is the same, maybe brakes too. but that suspension would have been changed to accomodate for the awd system

Slightly, but the car is pretty much the same. For him to make fun of FWD compacts is pretty hypocritical (to me) since his car is based on one. And the model that's below his GSX is also FWD.

And as "fast" as his car was back in the day, my slow car is only .3s slower today. Without the help of a turbo. And brand new, with full warranty. I just hate it when people are condescending.

what kind of car do you have? to me, there is something about n/a engines that you can't get from forced induction. and, personally, a fwd car isn't the greatest thing to be used for racing, the take offs are not as good as rwd or awd and they aren't as well balanced. but hey, i drive a fwd, so what can i say right?

usually high output NA engine (s2k, RSX-s etc.) have really high compression as is, so it's hard to add forced induction reliably (unless you wanna drive on race gas 24-7).