i was going to get a celerymine 566 + slotket and a nice cooler setup, but i wanted to see what you people had to say. does this sound like a good buy? im planning to oc to 850 or maby higher
160 us $$$, what cpu to upgrade to
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I've been very happy with my C566 & IWILL Slocket II. Cost me a total of $210, but I bought mine the very first day azzo had them. I got a good one, does 952 @ 1.65V using a Golden Orb. Now, though, I'm contemplating selling mine. I want a P3 700e CB0. 
Viper GTS
Viper GTS
Try and get a pre-tested Celery II 566 that can do 850 w/out breakin' a sweat.
*Try and get in touch w/Compuwiz1 to hook you up with the goods.
Any of the brand name slotkets are alright: Asus, MSI, Abit...
Golden Orb is a pretty decent HS/fan for the price (around $15 US). It's by no means a GlobalWin or an Alpha but they do look cool.
*Try and get in touch w/Compuwiz1 to hook you up with the goods.
Any of the brand name slotkets are alright: Asus, MSI, Abit...
Golden Orb is a pretty decent HS/fan for the price (around $15 US). It's by no means a GlobalWin or an Alpha but they do look cool.
Don't do that !!
I really mean it !!
A truly smart buyer today will not spend that much on a Celeron, in my opinion. The performance is not that good in comparison to that of a P3 Coppermine that costs just a little bit more. At one time the Cele was a smart move, but those days are gone because now Intel's Coppermines, especially those from the cB0 stepping, overclock so well and their prices have come down.
You need to look at benchmark performance of a system - not the overclocked speed, which can be an illusion. This is why serious people come to AnandTech - it's to read the benchmarks - they can see the clock speed on the CPU box or on their PC if that's all they cared about. The Cele's have a crippled L2 cache compared to the Coppermines and a slower system bus, and this kills their performance on benchmarks.
If you only have $100 for a CPU then get a Cele II 533A or 566, overclock it and be happy. You'll have a nice system. But even if you can bump a 566/66 to 850/100 you will still have a system that is only equivalent to an non-overclocked P3 Coppermine 600E or Duron 600, roughly speaking, when benchmarked. This is why I say the clock speed is an illusion - and this is why reviewers like AnandTech have been disappointed in the Cele II.
If you can spend maybe $200 on your CPU, then you should move up to a P3 Coppermine from the cB0 stepping in FC-PGA format @ 600E or 650 MHz (or the fastest that fits your budget). Then overclock that as fast as you can. With this you will blow away the fastest overclocked Cele's by a wide margin. There are many reports in these forums of people having great success in o'clocking these P3's. Remember that you may have to flash your mobo BIOS to update it to match the faster P3 CPU's now available. Check:
http://www.soyo.com.tw/product/6ba+iii.htm
I'm not trying to knock Cele's - I'm just suggesting that to spend the amount you mentioned is putting you just short of getting a much better performing system with a P3.
And, by the way, 'Compuwiz1' seems knowledgeable and may be found at:
compuwiz@owt.com
or
http://www.compuwiz-tech.com
or
http://forums.anandtech.com/tombstone.cfm?ProfileID=770&catid=45&threadid=198298
Compuwiz1 will probably agree with this and set you up with a great P3 system too.
P.S.
I notice that 'Viper GTS' got the message.
I really mean it !!
A truly smart buyer today will not spend that much on a Celeron, in my opinion. The performance is not that good in comparison to that of a P3 Coppermine that costs just a little bit more. At one time the Cele was a smart move, but those days are gone because now Intel's Coppermines, especially those from the cB0 stepping, overclock so well and their prices have come down.
You need to look at benchmark performance of a system - not the overclocked speed, which can be an illusion. This is why serious people come to AnandTech - it's to read the benchmarks - they can see the clock speed on the CPU box or on their PC if that's all they cared about. The Cele's have a crippled L2 cache compared to the Coppermines and a slower system bus, and this kills their performance on benchmarks.
If you only have $100 for a CPU then get a Cele II 533A or 566, overclock it and be happy. You'll have a nice system. But even if you can bump a 566/66 to 850/100 you will still have a system that is only equivalent to an non-overclocked P3 Coppermine 600E or Duron 600, roughly speaking, when benchmarked. This is why I say the clock speed is an illusion - and this is why reviewers like AnandTech have been disappointed in the Cele II.
If you can spend maybe $200 on your CPU, then you should move up to a P3 Coppermine from the cB0 stepping in FC-PGA format @ 600E or 650 MHz (or the fastest that fits your budget). Then overclock that as fast as you can. With this you will blow away the fastest overclocked Cele's by a wide margin. There are many reports in these forums of people having great success in o'clocking these P3's. Remember that you may have to flash your mobo BIOS to update it to match the faster P3 CPU's now available. Check:
http://www.soyo.com.tw/product/6ba+iii.htm
I'm not trying to knock Cele's - I'm just suggesting that to spend the amount you mentioned is putting you just short of getting a much better performing system with a P3.
And, by the way, 'Compuwiz1' seems knowledgeable and may be found at:
compuwiz@owt.com
or
http://www.compuwiz-tech.com
or
http://forums.anandtech.com/tombstone.cfm?ProfileID=770&catid=45&threadid=198298
Compuwiz1 will probably agree with this and set you up with a great P3 system too.
P.S.
I notice that 'Viper GTS' got the message.
Eug
Lifer
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Well, considering that he has a BX system with PC-100 memory, as well as a TNT2, any PIII would be a poor choice if he plans to overclock to 133. It is quite possible that neither the memory nor the video card could withstand a 133 MHz FSB. On the other hand a PIII 650E at 750+ is definitely possible with his memory. Unfortunately, a 650E with the right slocket and cooling is gonna cost around $220 + shipping.
A guaranteed 566 with good slotket and good heatsink/fan is really the only thing in his price range.
A guaranteed 566 with good slotket and good heatsink/fan is really the only thing in his price range.
You can get a duron 700 for $150. But then I suppose that you would need to spend another $150 for a decent mobo. So yeah spend a little bit more and stay out of the Celeron illusions.
I noticed there's still some Slot-1 coppermines out there for a couple bucks more than the FC-PGA's. (On the other hand, I wouldn't need a slocket adapter which I've heard some real horror stories about!)
How do they stack up being on the Slot-1? Still overclock over 100FSB? More reliable than a slocket? Every bit as good as a Flip Chip? Too hot? :Q
How do they stack up being on the Slot-1? Still overclock over 100FSB? More reliable than a slocket? Every bit as good as a Flip Chip? Too hot? :Q
Eug:
You don't have to o'clock a 600E that much to leave any o'clocked Cele behind. Most PC100 will do around 110-115.
hrmm, well i dont want to spend the extra bucks on a coppermine, and a celeron 566 overclocked to 850 is supposted to be around that of a p3 800. and it shure beats the hell outa what im running right now.
i just checked anands heatsink review and ive decided to get the golden orb since its cheap and performs well (and it looks so cool)
and the celerymine is cheaper, period.. i dont care if its performance is less than a coppermine in benchmarks, its still fast and will be alot faster than what i have now, espically when overclocked
now about getting one pre-tested.. hrmm... i know compuwiz has em but i live in canada and his prices are a bit high when u add shipping, so is there a certain number on the chip i can request when i get mine from here in canada? i looked at overclockers.com and the overwhelming number(thats on the chip) with the sucessfull overclocks was
Q0xxAx3x-xxxx
SL46T
i just checked anands heatsink review and ive decided to get the golden orb since its cheap and performs well (and it looks so cool
)and the celerymine is cheaper, period.. i dont care if its performance is less than a coppermine in benchmarks, its still fast and will be alot faster than what i have now, espically when overclocked
now about getting one pre-tested.. hrmm... i know compuwiz has em but i live in canada and his prices are a bit high when u add shipping, so is there a certain number on the chip i can request when i get mine from here in canada? i looked at overclockers.com and the overwhelming number(thats on the chip) with the sucessfull overclocks was
Q0xxAx3x-xxxx
SL46T
Kill_Phil, it may have been a while since you checked in with me. If you request it, I'll send you a current list.
Kill_Phil
The people that reccommend the PII route probably know they have good video, ram, and a motherboards that will run at 133FSB. They probably mess with their systems alot and pretty much have the latest components. The rest of us usually have a few weak links to patch. Overclocking is somewhat of a gamble. Less of a gamble for those who read these forums, upgrade often, work on computers daily and can correct any mistakes with more dollars.
I took the "easy" route; CII566 luckily running at 952 and I know I won't regret it. In a year or 2 when I upgrade again (If they ever make a meaningful advance in motherboards) -- Who can predict?
The people that reccommend the PII route probably know they have good video, ram, and a motherboards that will run at 133FSB. They probably mess with their systems alot and pretty much have the latest components. The rest of us usually have a few weak links to patch. Overclocking is somewhat of a gamble. Less of a gamble for those who read these forums, upgrade often, work on computers daily and can correct any mistakes with more dollars.
I took the "easy" route; CII566 luckily running at 952 and I know I won't regret it. In a year or 2 when I upgrade again (If they ever make a meaningful advance in motherboards) -- Who can predict?
Actually a Celery 2 566 oc'd to 901 performs more like a P3 Coppermine 650 depending on the app. I'm getting these values from Firingsquad's review on an oc'd Celery 566 http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/celeron566oc/default.asp.
So if the chip's oc'd to 850, it should perform close to ~600 P3 Coppermine.
In any case that's faster than my Celery 466 oc'd to 525.
So if the chip's oc'd to 850, it should perform close to ~600 P3 Coppermine.
In any case that's faster than my Celery 466 oc'd to 525.
Nick Stone:
i have a tnt2 which runs well on a high agp bus (it works @ 83 anyway) but my ram is only pc100. one stick is micron, one is kingston, and one is azen(i think thats the name) so i cant guarentee how high they will go. and i am also on a limited budged.
and as a side note, i will get a superior pentium 3 if you all give me the funds =) otherwise i have to go with the celeron 566 =P
and even if its equivelant to a 650 p3 when @ 901, its still blazingly fast!! (/me does an evil laugh)
isint it true that games dont require that much cache tho? i mean, it shouldent really make much diff with games.
i have a tnt2 which runs well on a high agp bus (it works @ 83 anyway) but my ram is only pc100. one stick is micron, one is kingston, and one is azen(i think thats the name) so i cant guarentee how high they will go. and i am also on a limited budged.
and as a side note, i will get a superior pentium 3 if you all give me the funds =) otherwise i have to go with the celeron 566 =P
and even if its equivelant to a 650 p3 when @ 901, its still blazingly fast!! (/me does an evil laugh)
isint it true that games dont require that much cache tho? i mean, it shouldent really make much diff with games.
Most CEleron 633s hit 950 at default voltage. At least for me it was 4 for 4.
Thay are ~$155 shipped
Thay are ~$155 shipped
950, not bad. i was planning on sticking with the 100mhz bus but i dont mind boosting it up some as long as my ram can handle it. now that i think about it, i have a micron stick of 128, and im gonna put the other 2 sticks in a new machine im building from older parts. so maby with just the 128 of micron i will be able to oc to a higher bus. it is pc100 cas2, so it should be good quality stuff. any idea how high it should go tho? 120 maby?
The whole point of a 633 @ 950 is that you only need the 100 MHz FSB... It's default is 66x9.5.
Viper GTS
Viper GTS
Kill_Phil
Looking at 5 Jul BX-133 Video review, the TNT-2 will run at 133 FSB if the SBA state is disabled. (see article for explanation)
Look at the Duron review (last week here on Anandtech) You will see that with identical hardware and FSB speeds my figures (952 CII = 820PII -- if they made one) are right for comparing CII's to Athlons to Durons to PII's. The CII's do well in QIII, UT and games in general. Notice how the FPS start converging for many Video settings.
I would wait until several people confirm "good luck" with C633's before I would buy. Several people have posted generally poor success rates with CII600's. Anand couldn't get his to run at 900mhz.
You have a decent selection of ram to try. Should be no problem for up to 112 FSB.
Looking at 5 Jul BX-133 Video review, the TNT-2 will run at 133 FSB if the SBA state is disabled. (see article for explanation)
Look at the Duron review (last week here on Anandtech) You will see that with identical hardware and FSB speeds my figures (952 CII = 820PII -- if they made one) are right for comparing CII's to Athlons to Durons to PII's. The CII's do well in QIII, UT and games in general. Notice how the FPS start converging for many Video settings.
I would wait until several people confirm "good luck" with C633's before I would buy. Several people have posted generally poor success rates with CII600's. Anand couldn't get his to run at 900mhz.
You have a decent selection of ram to try. Should be no problem for up to 112 FSB.
I had bought my 4 at allstarshop 3 weeks ago. all 4 hit 950 at default. 3 of them posted at 110*9.5. I sold them and one guy said he was running at 997MHZ. Looks like the 633s are another ramp.
Man, those C633s sound awesome! :Q
But anyway, at this point you could grab a retail C566 for less than $115 shipped and skip the fancy HS/F. Hell, if it does need one, buy it later, but I doubt it will.
Use the money you save for a new IBM HD or something!
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But anyway, at this point you could grab a retail C566 for less than $115 shipped and skip the fancy HS/F. Hell, if it does need one, buy it later, but I doubt it will.
Use the money you save for a new IBM HD or something!
INTEL CELERON 566MHZ 128K L2 CACHE PGA370 PROCESSOR 3 YR WARRANTY
(mfg part# BX80526F566128) Our Price: $103.95
http://www.us.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10253839
IBM 15GB EIDE ULTRA ATA/100 LP DESKSTAR 7200RPM 75GXP
(mfg part# 07N3927) Our Price: $108.95
http://www.us.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10250040
Free ground shipping thank you to buy.com customers
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