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16 troops commit suicide it Iraq

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Sixteen US troops from the a unit of the Airborne Division have committed suicide inside a military base in Iraq, security sources say. Iraqi security sources have revealed that 21 US troops had committed suicide inside a former Iraqi air force base 27 days ago, Fars News Agency reported on Monday. According to the sources, the 21 troops were treated in a hospital but only five soldiers have survived and they are in a critical condition. Security officials said they used potent narcotics to kill themselves. The troops' motivations for suicide are not known but according to Iraqi sources the servicemen belonged to a unit of the US Airborne Division that was behind the massacre of several Iraqi families-- mostly women and children-- in northern Baghdad, said Ali al-Baghdadi an Iraqi security official. The suicides took place in the soldiers' dormitory after the dinner time. "The bodies of the US troops became misshapen such a way that they looked like 5000-year mummies," said a witness. According to Iraqi officials' estimates, some 600 US troops, including senior officers, have committed suicide in Iraq since the invasion of the country in 2003. Half of the suicide attempts have been successful.
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Source: PressTV

Few words. This is sad and horrific.
 
Very, very sad.

Concern mounts over rising troop suicides
Feb, 2008

Every day, five U.S. soldiers try to kill themselves. Before the Iraq war began, that figure was less than one suicide attempt a day.

The dramatic increase is revealed in new U.S. Army figures, which show 2,100 soldiers tried to commit suicide in 2007.

"Suicide attempts are rising and have risen over the last five years," said Col. Elspeth Cameron-Ritchie, an Army psychiatrist.

Concern over the rate of suicide attempts prompted Sen. Jim Webb, D-Virginia, to introduce legislation Thursday to improve the military's suicide-prevention programs.

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its on digg and a bunch of other sites I've never heard of, but this sounds like the kind of thing that the US media might ignore if they could.. Still, you'd expect the BBC or Al Jazzera(sp?) to be all over it

edit: the story itself sounds unbelievable.. What "potent narcotics" causes a body to decay 5000 years in one night?
 
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
its on digg and a bunch of other sites I've never heard of, but this sounds like the kind of thing that the US media might ignore if they could.. Still, you'd expect the BBC or Al Jazzera(sp?) to be all over it
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That's the sort of confirmation I am looking for. Once BBC carries it, Financial Times, etc... then it has credibility. It would be impossible for a mass suicide to be covered up for very long. So, I suspend any rush to conclusion until I see a credible source.

And no, the US media would not ignore this.
 
There is no way the deaths of 16 people from the same division would not make news.

That would be 16 people from the same military base and thus military town.
Once the notices started going to the families someone would notice something fishy and start asking questions.

Even if the military tried to claim they were killed in action it would raise serious questions.
The death toll for the entire month of August was 23, there is no way that 16 could have been within one division and one unit with out someone noticing.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: dphantom
I am not finding any corroboration anywhere else.
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I found the same story posted on an Iranian news site...
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but PressTV IS an Iranian news site..

I say again, What "potent narcotics" causes a body to decay 5000 years in one night, but also only manages to kill 16 out of 21?


This is bullshit.


edit: This thread is now about why Iranian news sites are making up this kind of shit.
 
Humans are social apes that survive by protecting their own kind. Killing each other makes apes mentally ill. We do everything in the form of flag waving and phony patriotism and harsh brain dead military training to train out our loving ape ways, but nothing can change basic human nature. Soldiers will always kill themselves if they fail to deny their true human nature.

We were taught to hate ourselves as children and one place where we can get back to those feelings is in war. In war there is intensity of feeling to match the liveliness we once had. We were made to hate ourselves by the accusation of guilt and when we kill we feel that guilt.

The clever ape sends somebody else to kill because he wants something. This will end when those giving the orders to kill are shot on the spot.
 
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
its on digg and a bunch of other sites I've never heard of, but this sounds like the kind of thing that the US media might ignore if they could.. Still, you'd expect the BBC or Al Jazzera(sp?) to be all over it

edit: the story itself sounds unbelievable.. What "potent narcotics" causes a body to decay 5000 years in one night?
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al Jazeera is covering it. but they are citing the Press TV link in the OP as their source.
 
Originally posted by: Perry404
Sixteen US troops from the a unit of the Airborne Division have committed suicide inside a military base in Iraq, security sources say. Iraqi security sources have revealed that 21 US troops had committed suicide inside a former Iraqi air force base 27 days ago, Fars News Agency reported on Monday. According to the sources, the 21 troops were treated in a hospital but only five soldiers have survived and they are in a critical condition. Security officials said they used potent narcotics to kill themselves. The troops' motivations for suicide are not known but according to Iraqi sources the servicemen belonged to a unit of the US Airborne Division that was behind the massacre of several Iraqi families-- mostly women and children-- in northern Baghdad, said Ali al-Baghdadi an Iraqi security official. The suicides took place in the soldiers' dormitory after the dinner time. "The bodies of the US troops became misshapen such a way that they looked like 5000-year mummies," said a witness. According to Iraqi officials' estimates, some 600 US troops, including senior officers, have committed suicide in Iraq since the invasion of the country in 2003. Half of the suicide attempts have been successful.
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Source: PressTV

Few words. This is sad and horrific that I would cite an Iranian news source without some kind of independent verification from a new source NOT currently an enemy.
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Fixed that for you.
 
Originally posted by: 351Cleveland
Originally posted by: Perry404

Source: PressTV

Few words. This is sad and horrific that I would cite an Iranian news source without some kind of independent verification from a new source NOT currently an enemy.
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Fixed that for you.
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Are you trying to imply that our country's government would never try to manipulate the news and not post something or that all other country's news services are liars unless we say so?
 
I think this is going to bring up the very valid point of the TERRIBLE mental stress that our service men go through.

One of my friend's brothers is a helicopter pilot for the air force. He is going to Iraq for the 6th time now (not all 12 month deployements) and he used to be SOOOOOO gun ho for the military and now you can tell that his mentality has changed and he is seriously questioning 'why are even there still'. He has 3 little children and I can't imagine the stress this puts on his family.

I think our government in all overlooks how deeply the mental impacts of warfare go. Ask any service guy out there that has been on multiple tours... how troop morale is affected, it certainly opened my eyes.
 
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think this is going to bring up the very valid point of the TERRIBLE mental stress that our service men go through.

One of my friend's brothers is a helicopter pilot for the air force. He is going to Iraq for the 6th time now (not all 12 month deployements) and he used to be SOOOOOO gun ho for the military and now you can tell that his mentality has changed and he is seriously questioning 'why are even there still'. He has 3 little children and I can't imagine the stress this puts on his family.

I think our government in all overlooks how deeply the mental impacts of warfare go. Ask any service guy out there that has been on multiple tours... how troop morale is affected, it certainly opened my eyes.
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How come he hasn't got out then?

We've been in Iraq for 5+ years now, most enlistments are much shorter than that and I am sure he has had the chance to leave since the war started.

BTW I am sure I can find lots of stories about guys in the military who are proud they served and are happy about how many people they have been able to help.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think this is going to bring up the very valid point of the TERRIBLE mental stress that our service men go through.

One of my friend's brothers is a helicopter pilot for the air force. He is going to Iraq for the 6th time now (not all 12 month deployements) and he used to be SOOOOOO gun ho for the military and now you can tell that his mentality has changed and he is seriously questioning 'why are even there still'. He has 3 little children and I can't imagine the stress this puts on his family.

I think our government in all overlooks how deeply the mental impacts of warfare go. Ask any service guy out there that has been on multiple tours... how troop morale is affected, it certainly opened my eyes.
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How come he hasn't got out then?

We've been in Iraq for 5+ years now, most enlistments are much shorter than that and I am sure he has had the chance to leave since the war started.

BTW I am sure I can find lots of stories about guys in the military who are proud they served and are happy about how many people they have been able to help.
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He enlisted for 10 years (total) 4 initial, 6 re-up (it ends in 2 years), thats why, but being sent over 6 times is a lot. I am sure there are TONS of stories out there with happy soldiers. The 5 that I know personally that went (1 was killed) do not share much happiness about the war.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
I think this is going to bring up the very valid point of the TERRIBLE mental stress that our service men go through.

One of my friend's brothers is a helicopter pilot for the air force. He is going to Iraq for the 6th time now (not all 12 month deployements) and he used to be SOOOOOO gun ho for the military and now you can tell that his mentality has changed and he is seriously questioning 'why are even there still'. He has 3 little children and I can't imagine the stress this puts on his family.

I think our government in all overlooks how deeply the mental impacts of warfare go. Ask any service guy out there that has been on multiple tours... how troop morale is affected, it certainly opened my eyes.
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How come he hasn't got out then?

We've been in Iraq for 5+ years now, most enlistments are much shorter than that and I am sure he has had the chance to leave since the war started.

BTW I am sure I can find lots of stories about guys in the military who are proud they served and are happy about how many people they have been able to help.
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Have you ever heard of the phrase "stop-loss"?

Stop-loss, in the United States military, is the involuntary extension of a service member's active duty service under the enlistment contract in order to retain them beyond their initial end of term of service (ETS) date. It also applies to the cessation of a permanent change of station (PCS) move for a member still in military service. Stop-loss was used immediately before and during the first Persian Gulf War. Since then, it has been used during American military deployments to Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo and during the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks and the subsequent War on Terror.
The policy has been legally challenged several times, however federal courts have consistently found that military service members contractually agree that their term of service may be involuntarily extended.
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Your ability to dismiss and/or excuse anything that the GOP, Bush admin or military does is getting to be pretty disgusting IMO.
 
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