150 Jet Plane Order From United

[piasabird]

http://www.domainb.com/aero/ae...g/20090604_airbus.html

The guys on the Finance Stock Shows are saying this order went through. That is a lot of money to be spent by Boeing ordering parts and supplies.

One thing that was pointed out is the Airliners are ordering planes with more seats in the same amount of space.


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Corrected the Title.
Airbus and Boeing are to compete for this order

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Common Courtesy

 

[Genx87]

Any idea on what mix of planes they ordered or are planning on ordering? I assume the 111 wide body planes they are looking to replace are aging 767s? Does United fly any A300s?

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Any idea on what mix of planes they ordered or are planning on ordering? I assume the 111 wide body planes they are looking to replace are aging 767s? Does United fly any A300s?

Aging 767's? Those things have another 20 years of service in them. More likely getting rid of the much older 747's.

Airlines have gotten leaner and meaner so at least this shows they are not hemmoraging money as bad as they used to be.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Any idea on what mix of planes they ordered or are planning on ordering? I assume the 111 wide body planes they are looking to replace are aging 767s? Does United fly any A300s?

Link

Current fleet
A319
A320
B737
B747
B757
B767
B777
CRJ200
CRJ700
DASH8
EMB170
ERJ145
SAAB340

 

[JSt0rm]

I dont think this deal is signed. Boeing and airbus are going to be fighting it out. NPR reported that it could get nasty with airbus in one room and boeing in another with offers getting passed back and forth.

 

[KB]

Is this why Aalcoa is my best performing stock this week, since Boeing is going to need lots of aluminum? Glad to see someone is spending.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: piasabird
What Bad Economy?

This one.

Aircraft giant Boeing has said orders in May were down by more than 70% from a year earlier after airlines cancelled or delayed plans for new planes.

The company said it had received just 20 orders during the month compared with 67 last May.

Boeing's profits in the first three months of 2009 were down 50% from the same period a year earlier to $610m (£379m).

The Chicago-based firm was forced to make production cuts after airlines reined back on plane purchases.

Earlier this year, Boeing said it would cut 6% of its workforce or 10,000 jobs.

 

[techs]

These kinds of orders are placed years in advance. And they are usually just options to buy.
And the article states:

"Industry experts said that with a large order UAL may well be seeking to replicate the achievement of US Airways, which placed a huge order at very cheap rates in the 1990's. The idea is to get manufacturers to bid aggressively at the bottom of a recession."

Nice try Rush. Hey, I can get you oxycontin cheap.

 

[alchemize]

Actually it makes great sense. United (surprisingly) is making a good business move by "buying low". Wages will be cheaper, materials will be cheaper.

 

[GoPackGo]

If I were United I would stick with Boeing...

It looks like the Airbus for Air France "fell apart"

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Genx87
Any idea on what mix of planes they ordered or are planning on ordering? I assume the 111 wide body planes they are looking to replace are aging 767s? Does United fly any A300s?

Link

Current fleet
A319
A320
B737
B747
B757
B767
B777
CRJ200
CRJ700
DASH8
EMB170
ERJ145
SAAB340

Thanks. With such a diverse fleet, it is hard to imagine why maintenance costs are so high! :Q

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: Genx87
Any idea on what mix of planes they ordered or are planning on ordering? I assume the 111 wide body planes they are looking to replace are aging 767s? Does United fly any A300s?

Link

Thanks. With such a diverse fleet, it is hard to imagine why maintenance costs are so high! :Q

That list covers the United Regional airlines as well as the UAL medium and long haul planes.

The short haul regionals should seem to require at least 3 capacity sizes.

I can see 2 capacities (mid & large) for the haul and 3 for the medium.

 

[K1052]

They probably figure they can't lose. They buy at bargain basement prices then years later take delivery to replace older/less fuel efficiency aircraft or they unload the options/planes to another carrier(s) for a decent chunk of profit if/when the economy recovers.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: K1052
They probably figure they can't lose. They buy at bargain basement prices then years later take delivery to replace older/less fuel efficiency aircraft or they unload the options/planes to another carrier(s) for a decent chunk of profit if/when the economy recovers.

And Boeing or Airbus get to plan out their production way in advance, so they don't end up with the assembly lines being idle.

The only drawback is that the US lost both Douglas and Lockheed in the civilian large transport market. Allowing the Europeans to unfairly support Airbus moving into the market.
By all rights virtually ALL large commercial airliners should be made in the US.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: K1052
They probably figure they can't lose. They buy at bargain basement prices then years later take delivery to replace older/less fuel efficiency aircraft or they unload the options/planes to another carrier(s) for a decent chunk of profit if/when the economy recovers.

And Boeing or Airbus get to plan out their production way in advance, so they don't end up with the assembly lines being idle.

The only drawback is that the US lost both Douglas and Lockheed in the civilian large transport market. Allowing the Europeans to unfairly support Airbus moving into the market.
By all rights virtually ALL large commercial airliners should be made in the US.

Lockheed pulled out of the commerical market after the L1011.

Douglas was not lost - just swallowed up by Boeing in both the commerical and military market.

 

[soccerballtux]

My guess-- they expect inflation is incoming.
Like Intel making that $7B fab investment.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If I were United I would stick with Boeing...

It looks like the Airbus for Air France "fell apart"

Proof?

Considering that we haven't located a single part from the missing plane, I'd say you know absolutely nothing about what happened to the Air France jet.

 

[wwswimming]

the airlines need more fuel-efficient jets AND they get to depreciate the assets, too.

it would be interesting to see all the tax deals that might go along with this deal.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: KB
Is this why Aalcoa is my best performing stock this week, since Boeing is going to need lots of aluminum? Glad to see someone is spending.

Get stock in Titanium companies too, as it is used in airframes.
Our stock is rising number two.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If I were United I would stick with Boeing...

It looks like the Airbus for Air France "fell apart"

Proof?

Considering that we haven't located a single part from the missing plane, I'd say you know absolutely nothing about what happened to the Air France jet.

Do you just talk out of your ass or do you purposely try to pass your misguided view as fact?
Air France crash debris recovered as theories focus on speed

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If I were United I would stick with Boeing...

It looks like the Airbus for Air France "fell apart"

Proof?

Considering that we haven't located a single part from the missing plane, I'd say you know absolutely nothing about what happened to the Air France jet.

Do you just talk out of your ass or do you purposely try to pass your misguided view as fact?
Air France crash debris recovered as theories focus on speed

Text (might require an English to retard translation)

As the search continued, it was revealed that debris salvaged from the sea was not from the jet.

As the search continued on Friday, it was revealed that a wooden pallet and a fuel slick in the vicinity of the plane's last known position were not from the jet.

Brazilian air force official Brig Ramon Borges Cardoso contradicted earlier reports, saying "no material from the plane has been recovered".

The slick was most likely from a passing ship, he said.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: K1052
They probably figure they can't lose. They buy at bargain basement prices then years later take delivery to replace older/less fuel efficiency aircraft or they unload the options/planes to another carrier(s) for a decent chunk of profit if/when the economy recovers.

And Boeing or Airbus get to plan out their production way in advance, so they don't end up with the assembly lines being idle.

The only drawback is that the US lost both Douglas and Lockheed in the civilian large transport market. Allowing the Europeans to unfairly support Airbus moving into the market.
By all rights virtually ALL large commercial airliners should be made in the US.

Lockheed pulled out of the commerical market after the L1011.

Douglas was not lost - just swallowed up by Boeing in both the commerical and military market.

The Lockheed disaster was actually caused by a member of the transportation safety authority jumping to a conclusion as to what was the cause of the last major accident. Once he said it on tv the L-1011 was finished.
Yet, if it had been Airbus the europeans would have just given them a no risk loan to develop a new plane. And Lockheed would have still been in business.
And by letting Boeing swallow up McDonnel Douglas despite the obvious antitrust violation, MD might still be around since there were other buyers who wanted it to still make large airliners.
The US screwed itself.
And this is a perfect example of how US corporations and workers have been taking it in the *ss by unfair competition.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If I were United I would stick with Boeing...

It looks like the Airbus for Air France "fell apart"

Proof?

Considering that we haven't located a single part from the missing plane, I'd say you know absolutely nothing about what happened to the Air France jet.

Do you just talk out of your ass or do you purposely try to pass your misguided view as fact?
Air France crash debris recovered as theories focus on speed

Text (might require an English to retard translation)

As the search continued, it was revealed that debris salvaged from the sea was not from the jet.

As the search continued on Friday, it was revealed that a wooden pallet and a fuel slick in the vicinity of the plane's last known position were not from the jet.

Brazilian air force official Brig Ramon Borges Cardoso contradicted earlier reports, saying "no material from the plane has been recovered".

The slick was most likely from a passing ship, he said.

Based on the automated information Airbus received from the plane before it went down it looks like there was some airspeed reading issues. It obviously concerned them enough to issue a statement to the A330 operators about the importance of following the correct procedures for faulty airspeed indications.

If they hit the storm at too high of an airspeed that could cause a structural failure or too low they'd lose control of the aircraft.

 

[Genx87]

Radar

I wonder if their radar was working as well to fly right into that and not around it.

 

[piasabird]

What is going on is the US dollar is weak so it is easier to buy a US Built Airplane. So right now the weak dollar is actually an advantage. It would seem the opposite would be true, but economics is a difficult subject sometimes.

Socialism is a utopean dream in reality, wealth is never distributed equally and neither is health care. In theory it may sound good, but it does not work out well in socialist coutries and not in communist countries either. In reality UHC would just result in rationing healthcare and hiring the cheapest doctors for the worst possible health care.