146.8GB 10000 RPM HP SCSI Hard Drive

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Script917

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My father comes home from work the other day with a couple of hard drives from a server his business dismantled and trashed. Both are the same drive and are of the series HP "invent" 146.8GB 10000 RPM hard drives Model No. BD14688278. So first thing that comes to my head is I WANT THESE!! My father doesn?t much care about performance, he?s more interested in storage space, so when I found out he wanted to use the HDs to store media I was appalled and relieved. Any way I convinced him to let me buy him a 300GB HD in exchange for the two scsi drives. I already have a single 36Gb raptor drive which I will take out of the computer. My question is this. Will I see an improvement with two of these in raid 0 than my single raptor? Is it worth the $120 for the exchange drive plus the cost of the additional scsi stuff I will need? I can?t find any info on these drives just this one ebay auction:

BD14688278 Ebay Auction

The drive is exactly as pictured on ebay with the hot swap caddie and everything.
I can?t find any stats, need some insight, what would I need to get these going? SCSI card? How much for one that does what I need it to? Is it even worth it?

Edit: I thought I should add, selling them is not an option, it was part of the negotiations with my father.

Thanks ahead of time
-Script-
 
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Vegito

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Looks like an rebadge quantum/maxtor or seagate...

Its probably slightly faster..

if you're doing raid, you'll need an raid adapter.. 50-150 bucks.. depending on how fancy. SCSI cable, terminator, 80 to 68 pin adapter. Pretty pricy after everything sets in..
 
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Originally posted by: Script917
My father comes home from work the other day with a couple of hard drives from a server his business dismantled and trashed. Both are the same drive and are of the series HP "invent" 146.8GB 10000 RPM hard drives Model No. BD14688278. So first thing that comes to my head is I WANT THESE!! My father doesn?t much care about performance, he?s more interested in storage space, so when I found out he wanted to use the HDs to store media I was appalled and relieved. Any way I convinced him to let me buy him a 300GB HD in exchange for the two scsi drives. I already have a single 36Gb raptor drive which I will take out of the computer. My question is this. Will I see an improvement with two of these in raid 0 than my single raptor? Is it worth the $120 for the exchange drive plus the cost of the additional scsi stuff I will need? I can?t find any info on these drives just this one ebay auction:

BD14688278 Ebay Auction

The drive is exactly as pictured on ebay with the hot swap caddie and everything.
I can?t find any stats, need some insight, what would I need to get these going? SCSI card? How much for one that does what I need it to? Is it even worth it?

Edit: I thought I should add, selling them is not an option, it was part of the negotiations with my father.

Thanks ahead of time
-Script-
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If your father was going to use them for storage, he would have needed to buy the card, cables and everything anyway. So wouldn't he need to get that stuff for you too in exchange for the 300GB drive? :evil:
 
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Vegito

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For raid 0/1, you will need an RAID card, if you're going to for better speed, you should stick with a u320 raid card not a u320 scsi card
 
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Vegito

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What motherboard do you have ?

There's PCI < PCI-X < PCI-Express
From good to best

 
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Script917

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My MB is a GA-K8NS Pro. I think it is regular PCI, Is that a problem? That one on ebay is regular PCI right?

I just found this one on ebay, it is $39. But it is PCI-X, will it work in my regular PCI slot just at a lower speed??

Auction
 
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NeezyDeezy

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you might be able to get a better price than that $80 controller

try different places, forum FS boards
 
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imo, i wouldn't go raid, all you will achieve is a higher str for large files but you will still be limited to what you are putting the files on - if another hdd, then its write speed of that other hdd which will be ~60MB/s if a newer 7.2k pata/sata hdd, if through the network either the 100Mb/s switch or if you are on Gb/s then again the other hdd on the receiving end. plus the seek time will be a little bit more using a raid setup, albeit small.

i would save the $$$ of a raid card, get a u160 card for ~$25 and use them as 2 independent hdds. i don't think you will notice the difference for the cost of the raid card. plus, you know what they say about striping raid.....

also look on ebay for a u320 cable w/ terminator and you will need 2 of the 80->68 converters.
 
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Script917

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I don?t really want them for transferring big files, it will be a windows drive. I was thinking two of these in raid 0 would be faster than my Raptor.
Do you think that the lone 147GB will out perform my 36GB raptor as a windows drive?
 
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bob4432

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Originally posted by: Script917
Do you think that the lone 147GB will out perform my 36GB raptor as a windows drive?
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yes, atleast be equal to it. the 36GB raptor had issues compared to the 2nd gen raptors. the seek time will be nearly the same, but also scsi will have less cpu overhead, again a small amount, but still some.

if you raided them, the only item you would gain in would be str, which you will probably gain over the 36GB raptor anyway, not sure what your 36GB does in hdtach.... plus you will have a very fast secondary hdd for the pagefile when it is needed that will be on the same card.

let me address your edit -

striping raid is excellent in an enviornment where you have a ton of bandwidth available to you, like server enviornments where all machines are running striped raid on pci-x setups with Gb/s network or if you were moving large files from a striped raid in your own computer to another striped raid on a different bus, like the pci bus to a sata bus.

take a home network for example. when i move via 100Mb/s switched network 10GB worth of files, the files that are 1GB in size will move at ~10MB/s, but if i have thousands of 100KB files, they will move much slower due to the finding of the files, the network making sure the files arrive ok, the hdd finding each file, etc.

also, take into account the security issues with striping raid, if 1 hdd dies, usually all your data is gone. these are scsi hdds so they are built like tanks, but usually when people go scsi raid, they do raid 5 in case of a drive failure which requires at least 3 hdds.

for a system hdd, imo, you would be better off with the drives seperate.
 
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Sustained transfer rate.

Anyways, you'll have to remove the drive caddy.
Or well, you don't HAVE to, but you'll most likely want to.
Then get a pair of SCA -> 68 pin adapters.

Just in case you hadn't put that into the budget yet ;)
 
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Script917

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Well, I don?t know a lot about this stuff, but I hear a lot of good things about two raptor drives in raid-0 being super fast, why not these SCSI drives? What is the difference??
 
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Originally posted by: Script917
Well, I don?t know a lot about this stuff, but I hear a lot of good things about two raptor drives in raid-0 being super fast, why not these SCSI drives? What is the difference??
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That you only increase STR, which isn't important for most people.
There's a significant placebo effect however, which could be counted as a plus in a way.
 
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bob4432

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Originally posted by: Sunner
Originally posted by: Script917
Well, I don?t know a lot about this stuff, but I hear a lot of good things about two raptor drives in raid-0 being super fast, why not these SCSI drives? What is the difference??
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That you only increase STR, which isn't important for most people.
There's a significant placebo effect however, which could be counted as a plus in a way.
Click to expand...

QFT
 
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