140k US tropps in Iraq and our military is straining?
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Wow, another thread talking about what a massive cockup Iraq was/is.
Do you also start threads announcing your discovery of a mysterious force that causes all unsupported objects to fall toward the center of the earth?
Do you also start threads announcing your discovery of a mysterious force that causes all unsupported objects to fall toward the center of the earth?
HamburgerBoy
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ScrapSilicon
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If we have effective leadership, then maybe. But when our leadership fails to listen to military advisors and makes up their own minds regarding things, then no. Basically, inefficiency and incompetence combined with deception has led to what we have today - Iraq in chaos and America's reputation weakening.
Still, I bet it's hell for the troops out there everyday. One second you're driving, the next second a bomb could go off?! And a lot of other stuff. That really sucks for our soldiers, no matter what you have to say about the Iraq War.
IAteYourMother
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IAteYourMother
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blah blah...
Iran? North Korea?
Both have always been more dangerous to the world than Iraq has ever been (following 1991).
Yet we went into Iraq.
Why did we go to Iraq when Iran is known to have chemical weapons and North Korea was known to have been days away from getting a nuclear bomb?
Iran? North Korea?
Both have always been more dangerous to the world than Iraq has ever been (following 1991).
Yet we went into Iraq.
Why did we go to Iraq when Iran is known to have chemical weapons and North Korea was known to have been days away from getting a nuclear bomb?
Vietnam?
It's a pretty stupid policy to attack countries that will cost you dearly, you know. Too bad we seem to do that, too.
First you're on the sh*tlist, then you get attacked. That's how it works. Iraq is at Phase 2, Iran and NK are at Phase 1.
Occupation is hard...
Occupation is harder when the people you are occupying do not want you there.
Iraqis.. the majority.. wanted the U.S there.
Occupation is harder when the people you are occupying do not want you there.
Iraqis.. the majority.. wanted the U.S there.
Pentagon has abandoned that. That's a Cold War doctrine that is outdated. We didnt even have that doctrine in WW2. We used a win-hold-win strategy in WW2 which is today's strategy. You go all out on one front while you hold your position/skirmish on the second front, which was what we did.. fight Germany and then hold off Japan and then once you're done in Europe, go back to Japan.
the goal is to win the war.
it isn't as easy as you think.
--- example ---
report:
underground catacombs as large as cities, used for burial, very sacred. an enigma the enemy has mastered in the underground tunnel manuevering-capabilities. the tunnels' entrances are exposed to open ground, very easy to get into, very hard to get out of, plunging miles and miles inwards and outwards in very many direction beneath the surface with very little or no sunlight.
terrorists harbor in these kind of underground hide outs. they plan operations and carry out night raids by crawling and sneeking in and out of these tunnels, very hard to monitor at night, as there are thousands of these all over the desert.
troops that try to enter the areas to extract or eliminate the enemy within? very hard, rockets shoot out, sniper fire, gunfire, all sorts of stuff. how do you get in? shoot back? shoot at what? soldiers that attempt to run in will get lost, and most likely killed.
bomb the tunnels? not that easy. it's sacred to the people. how do you transform a catacomb into a bomb shelter? tanks? seeker missiles? these catacombs become as large as entire cities.
example 2:
terrorists are dressing up in women's clothing. Marines must police the streets, there are not enough special forces in the world to help accomplish this duty, they have more important missions to do. the "highly trained" marines are not as well trained in special ops forces, thus mistakes are bound to arise.
another vietnam, trained to kill, but not trained to police. lack of training, and don't mention equipment.
Rumsfeld: "You got to war with what you have." -I hate how he said this. Billions of dollars spent on a war, but lacking in various support aids? ==yeah we're gonna win the war, but at a cost.
if you look back at Desert Storm? hundreds of thousands of pounds of supplies was shipped to Iraq. where has it gone all these years...? you answer that guys, and tell me if you feel that the military is really getting the support it needs without political restraints as far as what the White House is trying to accomplish in both image and self-satisfaction.
it isn't as easy as you think.
--- example ---
report:
underground catacombs as large as cities, used for burial, very sacred. an enigma the enemy has mastered in the underground tunnel manuevering-capabilities. the tunnels' entrances are exposed to open ground, very easy to get into, very hard to get out of, plunging miles and miles inwards and outwards in very many direction beneath the surface with very little or no sunlight.
terrorists harbor in these kind of underground hide outs. they plan operations and carry out night raids by crawling and sneeking in and out of these tunnels, very hard to monitor at night, as there are thousands of these all over the desert.
troops that try to enter the areas to extract or eliminate the enemy within? very hard, rockets shoot out, sniper fire, gunfire, all sorts of stuff. how do you get in? shoot back? shoot at what? soldiers that attempt to run in will get lost, and most likely killed.
bomb the tunnels? not that easy. it's sacred to the people. how do you transform a catacomb into a bomb shelter? tanks? seeker missiles? these catacombs become as large as entire cities.
example 2:
terrorists are dressing up in women's clothing. Marines must police the streets, there are not enough special forces in the world to help accomplish this duty, they have more important missions to do. the "highly trained" marines are not as well trained in special ops forces, thus mistakes are bound to arise.
another vietnam, trained to kill, but not trained to police. lack of training, and don't mention equipment.
Rumsfeld: "You got to war with what you have." -I hate how he said this. Billions of dollars spent on a war, but lacking in various support aids? ==yeah we're gonna win the war, but at a cost.
if you look back at Desert Storm? hundreds of thousands of pounds of supplies was shipped to Iraq. where has it gone all these years...? you answer that guys, and tell me if you feel that the military is really getting the support it needs without political restraints as far as what the White House is trying to accomplish in both image and self-satisfaction.
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