13 people shot in New Orleans Saturday night

[fskimospy]

What a fine attempt to simplify. Good for simple minds I suppose.

Would you rather live in a town of 5 million people with 1000 murders per year or a town of 5,000 with 2 murders per year? Town #2 has double the murder rate, but the problem would not seem insurmountable. Catch the killer (or both of them) and you have a damn fine town. Think you can make a dent in Chicago or improve things in any significant way? Chicago will be a shithole until a nuke hits it, but a smaller town with a higher rate might be fixable and might be a better place to live long term.

This is a really problematic comparison for a bunch of reasons. First of all we are presumably talking about the average murder rate over a number of years. The idea that you can have a town with an average murder rate of 40/100,000 and simply catch the two people doing the murders, thus eliminating the problem, is not how the real world works. It's not like towns tend to have local serial killers who kill a few people a year, murders are usually domestic violence, a dispute over drugs, something like that. It will be new people every year, even if you catch the old. So no, I wouldn't feel better about living in a town with a murder rate of 40/100,000 year in and year out, despite people's assurances that someday we'd clean this problem up.

Second, when you cut things down to occurrence rates that small things like this are a big problem when it comes to statistical analysis. When you have only 2 occurrences in a year it becomes very difficult to accurately model risk. Occurrences that low with discrete variables like murder (you can't have half a murder) even small, solitary events vastly alter a town's murder rate. Maybe a shitty doctor is on call at the ER that night and screws up a relatively minor gunshot wound and so the town's murder rate doubles. It's not a useful comparison.

Also, Chicago is an awesome city. One of my favorites.

 

[zinfamous]

Or, back in reality, it has everything to do with criminals deciding to commit crimes.

people aren't born criminals, you ignorant mop bucket.

 

[shortylickens]

Chicago is still WAYYYYYY ahead. I'm not sure how it breaks down to violence per capita though, maybe we need some sort of playoff system to determine a winner.

Per capita Chicago is MUCH lower than most cities in America.
KC, Detroit, and Norleans all have it beat.

 

[Roflmouth]

people aren't born criminals, you ignorant mop bucket.

Correct. They become criminals when they decide to commit crimes.

 

[WelshBloke]

Correct. They become criminals when they decide to commit crimes.

Wow.

I kinda thought that you were trolling rather than a real idiot. I'm sort of changing my mind now.

 

[chucky2]

What a fine attempt to simplify. Good for simple minds I suppose.

Would you rather live in a town of 5 million people with 1000 murders per year or a town of 5,000 with 2 murders per year? Town #2 has double the murder rate, but the problem would not seem insurmountable. Catch the killer (or both of them) and you have a damn fine town. Think you can make a dent in Chicago or improve things in any significant way? Chicago will be a shithole until a nuke hits it, but a smaller town with a higher rate might be fixable and might be a better place to live long term.

"Chicago" is a large area man, especially if one is going to branch out and include Crook County (sometimes known as Cook County). Most of these shootings (I don't count a proper use of a firearm as an 'omg shooting!') are in bad areas. As Daly tried (and I'd say succeeded, at the expense of where he sent them) to clean up the city, the problem people that make up these problem areas dispersed in many cases, and now we've got formerly OK (not stellar, not even really good) areas that now have crime because those people had to go somewhere (as long as it wasn't the sacrosanct sChity). In a way I'd say that the shooting in Chicago have gone down to a degree, if only because they've diluted the problem people into a much greater area and thus spread out the likelihood of violence escalation. Plus, with enough tribute/bribe money thrown at people in the form of social welfare, it keeps the natives somewhat placated. You wanna see real violence? Truly reform welfare the correct way here...there'd be F'ing riots like Rodney King LA.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Wow.

I kinda thought that you were trolling rather than a real idiot. I'm sort of changing my mind now.

He can be both.

 

[Darwin333]

Correct. They become criminals when they decide to commit crimes.

Well no shit but his point is that there are factors that can greatly increase the likelihood of people deciding to commit crimes.

 

[zinfamous]

Correct. They become criminals when they decide to commit crimes.

When I advised you to stop eating paint chips for desert, I didn't imply that it would be a good idea to switch to mercury. You really should stop ingesting neurotoxic heavy metals.