13 people shot in New Orleans Saturday night

[UglyCasanova]

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf...high.html#incart_2box_nola_river_orleans_news


Insane. I love NO but it's a shitehole too. It's one of the most violent (if not the most) cities in the US.

 

[WelshBloke]

I assumed that this was some sort of terrorist/mass shooting type thing but no, normal day in New Orleans!

"As of Sunday morning, more than 300 people have been killed or wounded by gunfire in New Orleans [in 2017 so far]"

Holy shit!

 

[UglyCasanova]

Yep, just a normal day. It's an awesome city - amazing food, culture, architecture, history, and people - but it has some really bad areas too.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Insane. I love NO but it's a shitehole too. It's one of the most violent (if not the most) cities in the US.

Chicago is still WAYYYYYY ahead. I'm not sure how it breaks down to violence per capita though, maybe we need some sort of playoff system to determine a winner.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Chicago is still WAYYYYYY ahead. I'm not sure how it breaks down to violence per capita though, maybe we need some sort of playoff system to determine a winner.

NO is a lot smaller that Chicago. Per capita they might be neck and neck.

 

[outriding]

 

[JSt0rm]

Let's concentrate all of the rural America and look at that statistic.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Let's concentrate all of the rural America and look at that statistic.

Have you ever said anything positive on here? I get the thread topic isn't exactly good news, but every post you make seems like you're in attack mode. Relax man

 

[jackstar7]

Bear arms. Am I right?

 

[davmat787]

Interesting that Oakland is the only western city on that list and then with only a third the rate as St. Louis. Previous comments of mine show my west coast snobbery, but even so this surprises me. Wide open spaces are indeed good for the soul.

 

[soundforbjt]

Chicago is still WAYYYYYY ahead. I'm not sure how it breaks down to violence per capita though, maybe we need some sort of playoff system to determine a winner.

Violence per capita has Chicago in 15th place.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Interesting that Oakland is the only western city on that list and then with only a third the rate as St. Louis. Previous comments of mine show my west coast snobbery, but even so this surprises me. Wide open spaces are indeed good for the soul.

Lower population density may very well play a role in this. You can shore up with increased security but only to an extent, before you end up in Megacity One.

 

[Zorba]

Interesting that Oakland is the only western city on that list and then with only a third the rate as St. Louis. Previous comments of mine show my west coast snobbery, but even so this surprises me. Wide open spaces are indeed good for the soul.

My guess is it has more to do with poverty levels in those cities that are still dealing with the historical effects of segregation, racism and block busting, now followed by gentrification.

 

[Roflmouth]

My guess is it has more to do with poverty levels in those cities that are still dealing with the historical effects of segregation, racism and block busting, now followed by gentrification.

Or, back in reality, it has everything to do with criminals deciding to commit crimes.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Violence per capita has Chicago in 15th place.

Yeah, that's the point, should it be per capita or by overall volume? In baseball do you favor the guy with the most home runs or the most home runs per plate appearance? Maybe Chicago is content to be the overall leader and is coasting along. Could they step up their game if the scoring system changed and per capita violence became the measure of who was winning?

 

[Stokely]

On the worry scale I think I'd worry more about hospital mistakes than shootings, terrorism, bees, lightning and lawnmowers. (And apologies, I brought this up in another thread, won't do it again!)

On average, 1205 Americans die each day according to a recent study. 440,000 Americans a year.

 

[Zorba]

Or, back in reality, it has everything to do with criminals deciding to commit crimes.

Back in the real reality, the things I mentioned create criminals. That is why there is likely a huge difference between cities that were historically segregated (East) and ones that weren't (West). I doubt it is because of the sunshine.

 

[Roflmouth]

Back in the real reality, the things I mentioned create criminals.

Criminals are "created" when they decide to commit crimes. Sorry

 

[Zorba]

On the worry scale I think I'd worry more about hospital mistakes than shootings, terrorism, bees, lightning and lawnmowers. (And apologies, I brought this up in another thread, won't do it again!)

On average, 1205 Americans die each day according to a recent study. 440,000 Americans a year.

Those numbers are off. It's about an order of magnitude higher than your numbers.

 

[Zorba]

Criminals are "created" when they decide to commit crimes. Sorry

You are right, it just happens one day you are a rich white guy walking down the street, and you all of sudden decide to hold up a 7-11. That is how all criminals are made, has nothing to do with socioecomics, education or family structure.

Why do you think there is such a difference between east and west cities, then?

 

[Meghan54]

You are right, it just happens one day you are a rich white guy walking down the street, and you all of sudden decide to hold up a 7-11. That is how all criminals are made, has nothing to do with socioecomics, education or family structure.

Why do you think there is such a difference between east and west cities, then?

Quit trying to reason with that sock puppet. He knows absolutely nothing except what's been fed to him by Brietbart, Infowars, and Russia. Nothing else. Debate with that festering pilonidal cyst is useless at best.

 

[JSt0rm]

Criminals are "created" when they decide to commit crimes. Sorry

This is what a simple mind looks like.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, that's the point, should it be per capita or by overall volume? In baseball do you favor the guy with the most home runs or the most home runs per plate appearance? Maybe Chicago is content to be the overall leader and is coasting along. Could they step up their game if the scoring system changed and per capita violence became the measure of who was winning?

There's not even really a question here, it should be per capita. If you think otherwise, just ask yourself if you want to live in a town of 5 million people that has 100 murders a year or a town of 500 people that has 50 murders a year. One would be among the safer cities in America and the other should have you hiding in your bathtub to avoid gunfire and/or Jason Voorhees.

As for baseball in terms of power you also vastly favor the guy with the most home runs per plate appearance (assuming a minimum number of plate appearances so that you have a valid sample, of course). In the past before advanced statistics were available people foolishly valued the guy with the most home runs as opposed to realizing the real value was how many bases of offense someone could generate per at-bat.

Conservatives frequently try to hold up Chicago as some sort of murder capital when its primary 'problem' from a statistics perspective is that it is a very large city. There are plenty of deadlier cities out there to live in but because they have so many fewer people they don't make the same headlines.

 

[Roflmouth]

You are right, it just happens one day you are a rich white guy walking down the street, and you all of sudden decide to hold up a 7-11. That is how all criminals are made, has nothing to do with socioecomics, education or family structure.

Correct, it has nothing to do with any external factors, since most people in every one of those situations don't decide to commit crimes. Only the criminals do. I'm sure they're happy you're making excuses for them though.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

There's not even really a question here, it should be per capita. If you think otherwise, just ask yourself if you want to live in a town of 5 million people that has 100 murders a year or a town of 500 people that has 50 murders a year.

What a fine attempt to simplify. Good for simple minds I suppose.

Would you rather live in a town of 5 million people with 1000 murders per year or a town of 5,000 with 2 murders per year? Town #2 has double the murder rate, but the problem would not seem insurmountable. Catch the killer (or both of them) and you have a damn fine town. Think you can make a dent in Chicago or improve things in any significant way? Chicago will be a shithole until a nuke hits it, but a smaller town with a higher rate might be fixable and might be a better place to live long term.