13% of Republicans think Obama is the anti-Christ

[cubby1223]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...3-of-rep_n_289896.html

So saith the poll. It must be fact. Republicans are all nut-jobs.

They're discussing this here on the radio this morning, more of a discussion on the absurdity of these polls. With all of them that go on, do ya think people just make knee-jerk responses to these things to be funny rather than what they actually believe?

This polling company is sure getting a lot of attention today, results will run wild on MSNBC & Fox News tonight. This is all just for the shock value and getting your name out there. I'd get prepared for more crazy things from these polling companies who want to top one another.

I think the end of the article sums it up best:

Ben Smith at Politico is skeptical of the latter finding, suggesting that respondents are expressing dislike rather than mystical paranoia: "If you ran a similar poll asking about Eli Manning, some share of Jets fans would press one for Satan."

 

[n yusef]

You gotta admit; this poll is pretty embarrassing.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: n yusef
You gotta admit; this poll is pretty embarrassing.

What's embarrassing is people who extrapole this into something it isn't.

"The extremism in New Jersey isn't limited to the right though. 19% of voters in the state, including 32% of Democrats, think that George W. Bush had prior knowledge of 9/11."

Stupidity abounds without regard for political ideology.

 

[newnameman]

:roll: And in the same poll 6% of Democrats also believe Obama is the anti-Christ. Not to mention the 32% of Democrats who think Bush had advanced knowledge of 9/11. So based on those results the far-left is even nuttier than the far-right.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: newnameman
:roll: And in the same poll 6% of Democrats also believe Obama is the anti-Christ. Not to mention the 32% of Democrats who think Bush had advanced knowledge of 9/11. So based on those results the far-left is even nuttier than the far-right.

so we know a portion of people in goverment are fucking batshit insane then?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: newnameman
:roll: And in the same poll 6% of Democrats also believe Obama is the anti-Christ. Not to mention the 32% of Democrats who think Bush had advanced knowledge of 9/11. So based on those results the far-left is even nuttier than the far-right.

Bush actually did have some knowledge of 9/11 beforehand thanks to the August 2001 PDB that he received while he was clearing brush out in Crawford Texas. And that idea is a lot less loony than thinking Obama is the antichrist or that Obama isn't a citizen (33% of republicans btw)

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

 

[PottedMeat]

Sheeeit. I was still working on the assumption that Howard Stern is the Anti-Christ. I need to get with the times, man.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: newnameman
:roll: And in the same poll 6% of Democrats also believe Obama is the anti-Christ. Not to mention the 32% of Democrats who think Bush had advanced knowledge of 9/11. So based on those results the far-left is even nuttier than the far-right.

Bush actually did have some knowledge of 9/11 beforehand thanks to the August 2001 PDB that he received while he was clearing brush out in Crawford Texas. And that idea is a lot less loony than thinking Obama is the antichrist or that Obama isn't a citizen (33% of republicans btw)

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

No, Bush did not have some prior knowledge of "9/11." As anyone can see from the actual PDB, there was no specific intel on OBL striking on that particular date. In fact, the threats of a terrorist attack by OBL had been around for far longer than Bush had been in office so nobody had any idea if there was really going to be an attack or if the threats were nothing more than rhetoric.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html

But the 9/11 nutters will twist and distort any facts to claim Bush had prior knowledge of it.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: newnameman
:roll: And in the same poll 6% of Democrats also believe Obama is the anti-Christ. Not to mention the 32% of Democrats who think Bush had advanced knowledge of 9/11. So based on those results the far-left is even nuttier than the far-right.

Bush actually did have some knowledge of 9/11 beforehand thanks to the August 2001 PDB that he received while he was clearing brush out in Crawford Texas. And that idea is a lot less loony than thinking Obama is the antichrist or that Obama isn't a citizen (33% of republicans btw)

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

No, Bush did not have some prior knowledge of "9/11." As anyone can see from the actual PDB, there was no specific intel on OBL striking on that particular date. In fact, the threats of a terrorist attack by OBL had been around for far longer than Bush had been in office so nobody had any idea if there was really going to be an attack or if the threats were nothing more than rhetoric.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html

But the 9/11 nutters will twist and distort any facts to claim Bush had prior knowledge of it.

Which is why i said he had SOME knowledge. The PDB mentions a large attack on the US (NYC and Washington DC was mentioned), the WTC was mentioned, hijacked planes were mentioned, etc. etc.

While Bush didn't have the time and day of the attack, he was given a warning beforehand.

Also, good job on Bush for completely ignoring richard clarke:

At the first Deputies Committee meeting on Terrorism held in April 2001, Clark strongly suggested that the U.S. put pressure on both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda by arming the Northern Alliance and other groups in Afghanistan. Simultaneously, that they target bin Laden and his leadership by reinitiating flights of the MQ-1 Predators. To which Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz responded, "Well, I just don't understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden." Clark replied that he was talking about bin Laden and his network because it posed "an immediate and serious threat to the United States." According to Clark, Wolfowitz turned to him and said, "You give bin Laden too much credit. He could not do all these things like the 1993 attack on New York, not without a state sponsor. Just because FBI and CIA have failed to find the linkages does not mean they don't exist." [9]

At a July 5, 2001 White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

On August 6, 2001, Clarke finally delivered a Daily Briefing Memo to President Bush entitled "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States", five weeks before the attacks. It featured information about ongoing Al-Qaeda activities within the United States, signs of a terror support network, indications of hijacking preparations and plans for domestic attacks using explosives.[1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R..._about_Al-Qaeda_threat

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: newnameman
:roll: And in the same poll 6% of Democrats also believe Obama is the anti-Christ. Not to mention the 32% of Democrats who think Bush had advanced knowledge of 9/11. So based on those results the far-left is even nuttier than the far-right.

Bush actually did have some knowledge of 9/11 beforehand thanks to the August 2001 PDB that he received while he was clearing brush out in Crawford Texas. And that idea is a lot less loony than thinking Obama is the antichrist or that Obama isn't a citizen (33% of republicans btw)

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/

No, Bush did not have some prior knowledge of "9/11." As anyone can see from the actual PDB, there was no specific intel on OBL striking on that particular date. In fact, the threats of a terrorist attack by OBL had been around for far longer than Bush had been in office so nobody had any idea if there was really going to be an attack or if the threats were nothing more than rhetoric.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html

But the 9/11 nutters will twist and distort any facts to claim Bush had prior knowledge of it.

But that level of forewarning could lead someone to reasonably state when asked that Bush had some prior knowledge of 9/11 based solely on that PDB without being a crazy person, and answer that poll accordingly. That's why that question is a poor metric for comparison in reference to the 'anti-christ' one. One question is clearly for loonies, the other one is not so clear.

Bush having prior knowledge of 9/11 implies that he allowed the attacks to happen, which is pretty ridiculous. If you asked if Bush knew about 9/11 and let it happen, I think those results would give us a far better basis for comparison as to relative willingness to believe stupid things. As the question currently stands though, 'prior knowledge' could mean a whole hell of a lot of different things, only some of which are nuts. Bad comparison.

 

[Moonbeam]

I find the news that 13% of Republicans think to be very good news but I am certain it's a lie.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Which is why i said he had SOME knowledge. The PDB mentions a large attack on the US (NYC and Washington DC was mentioned), the WTC was mentioned, hijacked planes were mentioned, etc. etc.

While Bush didn't have the time and day of the attack, he was given a warning beforehand.

Nothing in the memo puts anything together resembling what happened on 9/11. Sure, the WTC was mentioned, in reference to a previous attack, not as a target. NYC was mentioned that AQ was allegedly surveilling "federal buildings." The hijacking claims were consiered a "sensational threat" meaning it was considered a bit over-the top.

Anyone who actually claims that Bush had some previous knowledge of 9/11 based on that PDB is being a nutter because the memo contained nothing that was solid and specific. As the memo also states, it's not as if the Bush admin was doing nothing about those reports:

"The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full field investigations throughout the US that it consideers Bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our Embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group of Bin Laden supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives."

Also, good job on Bush for completely ignoring richard clarke:

At the first Deputies Committee meeting on Terrorism held in April 2001, Clark strongly suggested that the U.S. put pressure on both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda by arming the Northern Alliance and other groups in Afghanistan. Simultaneously, that they target bin Laden and his leadership by reinitiating flights of the MQ-1 Predators. To which Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz responded, "Well, I just don't understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man bin Laden." Clark replied that he was talking about bin Laden and his network because it posed "an immediate and serious threat to the United States." According to Clark, Wolfowitz turned to him and said, "You give bin Laden too much credit. He could not do all these things like the 1993 attack on New York, not without a state sponsor. Just because FBI and CIA have failed to find the linkages does not mean they don't exist." [9]

At a July 5, 2001 White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

On August 6, 2001, Clarke finally delivered a Daily Briefing Memo to President Bush entitled "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States", five weeks before the attacks. It featured information about ongoing Al-Qaeda activities within the United States, signs of a terror support network, indications of hijacking preparations and plans for domestic attacks using explosives.[1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R..._about_Al-Qaeda_threat

As far as Donald Kerrick goes, Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold prepared a plan to incorporate military, economic, diplomatic, and political activities to pressure the Taliban to expel Bin Laden. Kerrick was briefed on this plan but never acted on it. Guess when he was briefed? It was December of 2000, before Bush even came into office. There were plenty of plans regarding Bin Laden that Clinton never acted on either, despite being urged that we were going to be attacked again by Bin Laden. So what? That doesn't imply that Clinton had prior knowledge either. There was plenty of blame to go around for inaction regarding OBL and to pin the blame solely on Bush is intellectually dishonest and a partisan bastardization of history.

 

[jonks]

If some pollster called me 2 years ago and asked if I thought bush was the anti-christ I'd have said yes just for the hell of it. How can such a poll be serious? How do you discount the responders who don't really believe it but said it because it's fun?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: newnameman
:roll: And in the same poll 6% of Democrats also believe Obama is the anti-Christ. Not to mention the 32% of Democrats who think Bush had advanced knowledge of 9/11. So based on those results the far-left is even nuttier than the far-right.

He sorta did. Not a Date or Target List or exact type of action, but there were clear warnings/memos given beforehand that something was up.

So when asked that question, some are going to dismiss that knowledge, Others will answer the question using that knowledge.

nmd, beaten to it...repeatedly

 

[MikeMike]

the third anti-christ is MABUS...

flip the first 3 letters you get bam us

add an o and an a

Obama US

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

*snip*

From the PDB:

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Ladin implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."

After US missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a [--] service.

An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an [--] service at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative's access to the US to mount a terrorist strike.

Although Bin Ladin has not succeeded, his attacks against the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Ladin associates surveilled our Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.

Al-Qa'ida members--including some who are US citizens--have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks.

This report was given ONE MONTH after this exchange by Ricahrd Clark, what do you think the point of the 'bin laden determined to attack in the US' memo was?

At a July 5, 2001 White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

There was enough evidence for Richard Clarke that he was running around screaming about it but all Bush and his acolytes did was shut him out. You cannot deny that SOMEONE in the whitehouse was a) aware of the situation and b) tried to get something done about it and c) was blatantly ignored from the Potus on down.

Sorry, but the bastardization of history only came from you, Richard Clarke sounded the alarms but nobody in the whitehouse cared.

 

[ayabe]

I think it's more scary that that many people even believe in such a silly thing as the "anti-christ".

Go to RaptureReady for your latest anti-christ updates!!!

But there are probably just as many flat-earthers who even go so far as to draw diagrams showing that seasons aren't caused by earth tilting on its axis, because if that were the case, the ocean water would be spilling over the shores.

Seriously.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

*snip*

From the PDB:

Erm, you don't need to excerpt it. I already linked directly to a copy of the PDB previously.

This report was given ONE MONTH after this exchange by Ricahrd Clark, what do you think the point of the 'bin laden determined to attack in the US' memo was?

At a July 5, 2001 White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

There was enough evidence for Richard Clarke that he was running around screaming about it but all Bush and his acolytes did was shut him out. You cannot deny that SOMEONE in the whitehouse was a) aware of the situation and b) tried to get something done about it and c) was blatantly ignored from the Potus on down.

Sorry, but the bastardization of history only came from you, Richard Clarke sounded the alarms but nobody in the whitehouse cared.

Nobody cared? Who do you think specifically requested the PDB on Al Qaeda after Clarke made his statement? It was Bush that requested it. Stop acting as if Bush did nothing and nobody in the WH cared. That's pure fantasy and partisan horseshit.

btw, Kerrick was never invited to ANY of the meetings under the Bush admin because, as a Clinton staffer, he was being phased out along with Clarke. So the claim that "As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings." is more misleading bullshit. Seems like Wikipedia unknowingly allowed another 9/11 nutter to infiltrate their article editing process. No surpise as the nutters have done their best to spam their insanity all throughout the internet.

 

[OCGuy]

So he is anti-Jewish carpenter?


So he is anti-semetic? I knew it!

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

*snip*

From the PDB:

Erm, you don't need to excerpt it. I already linked directly to a copy of the PDB previously.

This report was given ONE MONTH after this exchange by Ricahrd Clark, what do you think the point of the 'bin laden determined to attack in the US' memo was?

At a July 5, 2001 White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

There was enough evidence for Richard Clarke that he was running around screaming about it but all Bush and his acolytes did was shut him out. You cannot deny that SOMEONE in the whitehouse was a) aware of the situation and b) tried to get something done about it and c) was blatantly ignored from the Potus on down.

Sorry, but the bastardization of history only came from you, Richard Clarke sounded the alarms but nobody in the whitehouse cared.

Nobody cared? Who do you think specifically requested the PDB on Al Qaeda after Clarke made his statement? It was Bush that requested it. Stop acting as if Bush did nothing and nobody in the WH cared. That's pure fantasy and partisan horseshit.

btw, Kerrick was never invited to ANY of the meetings under the Bush admin because, as a Clinton staffer, he was being phased out along with Clarke. So the claim that "As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings." is more misleading bullshit. Seems like Wikipedia unknowingly allowed another 9/11 nutter to infiltrate their article editing process. No surpise as the nutters have done their best to spam their insanity all throughout the internet.

Phokus was always peddling the INSIDE JOB 9/11 posts

 

[spidey07]

And how many dems kept calling Bush and/or Cheny satan and actually believed it? Probably higher percentage.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

*snip*

From the PDB:

Erm, you don't need to excerpt it. I already linked directly to a copy of the PDB previously.

This report was given ONE MONTH after this exchange by Ricahrd Clark, what do you think the point of the 'bin laden determined to attack in the US' memo was?

At a July 5, 2001 White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

There was enough evidence for Richard Clarke that he was running around screaming about it but all Bush and his acolytes did was shut him out. You cannot deny that SOMEONE in the whitehouse was a) aware of the situation and b) tried to get something done about it and c) was blatantly ignored from the Potus on down.

Sorry, but the bastardization of history only came from you, Richard Clarke sounded the alarms but nobody in the whitehouse cared.

Nobody cared? Who do you think specifically requested the PDB on Al Qaeda after Clarke made his statement? It was Bush that requested it. Stop acting as if Bush did nothing and nobody in the WH cared. That's pure fantasy and partisan horseshit.

btw, Kerrick was never invited to ANY of the meetings under the Bush admin because, as a Clinton staffer, he was being phased out along with Clarke. So the claim that "As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings." is more misleading bullshit. Seems like Wikipedia unknowingly allowed another 9/11 nutter to infiltrate their article editing process. No surpise as the nutters have done their best to spam their insanity all throughout the internet.

Phokus was always peddling the INSIDE JOB 9/11 posts

Link to even one post where i did. You're a lying sack of shit

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

*snip*

From the PDB:

Erm, you don't need to excerpt it. I already linked directly to a copy of the PDB previously.

This report was given ONE MONTH after this exchange by Ricahrd Clark, what do you think the point of the 'bin laden determined to attack in the US' memo was?

At a July 5, 2001 White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

There was enough evidence for Richard Clarke that he was running around screaming about it but all Bush and his acolytes did was shut him out. You cannot deny that SOMEONE in the whitehouse was a) aware of the situation and b) tried to get something done about it and c) was blatantly ignored from the Potus on down.

Sorry, but the bastardization of history only came from you, Richard Clarke sounded the alarms but nobody in the whitehouse cared.

Nobody cared? Who do you think specifically requested the PDB on Al Qaeda after Clarke made his statement? It was Bush that requested it. Stop acting as if Bush did nothing and nobody in the WH cared. That's pure fantasy and partisan horseshit.

btw, Kerrick was never invited to ANY of the meetings under the Bush admin because, as a Clinton staffer, he was being phased out along with Clarke. So the claim that "As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings." is more misleading bullshit. Seems like Wikipedia unknowingly allowed another 9/11 nutter to infiltrate their article editing process. No surpise as the nutters have done their best to spam their insanity all throughout the internet.

What part of

wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

don't you understand.

Also, here's how seriously the administration took terrorism:

In his memoir, "Against All Enemies", Clarke wrote that when he first briefed Rice on Al-Qaeda, in a January 2001 meeting, "her facial expression gave me the impression she had never heard the term before." He also stated that Rice made a decision that the position of National Coordinator for Counterterrorism should be downgraded. By demoting the office, the Administration sent a signal through the national security bureaucracy about the salience they assigned to terrorism. No longer would Clarke's memos go to the President; instead they had to pass though a chain of command of National Security Advisor Rice and her deputy Stephen Hadley, who bounced every one of them back.

"Within a week of the inauguration, I wrote to Rice and Hadley asking 'urgently' for a Principals, or Cabinet-level, meeting to review the imminent Al-Qaeda threat. Rice told me that the Principals Committee, which had been the first venue for terrorism policy discussions in the Clinton administration, would not address the issue until it had been 'framed' by the Deputies."[8]

(not very)

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: spidey07
And how many dems kept calling Bush and/or Cheny satan and actually believed it? Probably higher percentage.

given dems have a much higher percentage of people who consider satan to be as real as santa (anagram!) I doubt that.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: spidey07

And how many dems kept calling Bush and/or Cheny satan and actually believed it? Probably higher percentage.

Probably??? A "higher percentage???" Prove it, or STFU!

I just called them liars, traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals and general incompetents, all of which is true. If necessary, can post lots of "macros," with names, dates, specific acts and statements, including links to statutory citations and credible authorities to support those charges.

Do I really have to post one to prove the point?

If the worst people can claim about someone is based on religious dogma, they've got nothing, and all they've proven is that they're brainless whack jobs. :roll: