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DealMonkey
Lifer
I think he's testing our knowledge and understanding of Roe v Wade. The original text of the decision legalizes abortions during the first two trimesters while leaving it up to the individual states to regulate (or not) the 3rd trimester and what may or may not happen. Some even consider Roe v Wade legalized "abortion on demand" and there's been some squabbling over the meaning of the decision ever since . . .
DealMonkey
Lifer
Well, if it was indeed a test, the OP should have made it more clear. Instead, it seems like he's asking for everyone's opinion rather than an understanding of the law. Of course people's opinion is going to differ from the actual law -- depending on which state you live in of course. 🙂
If this thread were a quiz rather than the usual opinion poll, I would guess that #3 ("I don't support all of roe v. wade and think a woman has a right to abortion in the 3rd trimester for whatever reason") would be the most technically correct, since if you support Roe v Wade in its entirety, it gives power to the states to decide on the third trimester. So if you believe the right to abortion exists even in the 3rd trimester, you'd have to disagree with Roe v Wade.
DealMonkey
Lifer
Yes, I believe you are correct that #2 sounds correct in relation to the Roe v Wade decision. So it seems there could me multiple correct answers. Who knows? I wish the OP would just clear this up, the suspense is killing me! 😉
One amusing poll would be to see how many are against abortion, for homosexual adoption and who have or are willing to adopt themselves.
If you are going to take away abortion you need to find those kids some homes, if you aren't willing to let homosexuals adopt and won't adopt yourself, who are going to take care of them?
If you are going to take away abortion you need to find those kids some homes, if you aren't willing to let homosexuals adopt and won't adopt yourself, who are going to take care of them?
Womens "right to choose" ends at consensual sex.
I dont support any abortion but a women who is raped granted didnt choose it. Sometimes your actions have consequences. Abortions are just another way people can shift personal responsibility. With the new law congress just past women have more rights then men. Women can choose to murder but if you kill a pregnant women you get a double murder. It is simple abortions give women the ability to legally commit murder.
I dont support any abortion but a women who is raped granted didnt choose it. Sometimes your actions have consequences. Abortions are just another way people can shift personal responsibility. With the new law congress just past women have more rights then men. Women can choose to murder but if you kill a pregnant women you get a double murder. It is simple abortions give women the ability to legally commit murder.
Be glad you never have to make the choice. It is easy to judge about things you can not even imagine, isn't it?
From Everlast's what it's like:
Mary got pregnant from a kid named Tom that said he was in love
He said, "Don't worry about a thing, baby doll
I'm the man you've been dreaming of."
But 3 months later he say he won't date her or return her calls
And she swear, "God damn, if I find that man I'm cuttin' off his balls."
And then she heads for the clinic and
she gets some static walking through the door
They call her a killer, and they call her a sinner
and they call her a whore
God forbid you ever had to walk a mile in her shoes
'cause then you really might know what it's like to have to choose
PingSpike
Lifer
One thing that really gets me regarding abortions, that I believe I have mentioned before, is that men have no legal say in the matter. If I want to save my unborn child but the woman doesn't want it, its gone. But if I wanted it aborted (I wouldn't against my personal believes, but for sake of argument) and she wants to keep it, I get to pay child support for 18 years. Its like men get all the responsibility but none of the privilege.
Its the same with a guy Klixxer. you get a girl pregnant and she has the baby say hello child support. Adoption is an answer. BUt that pretty little song doesnt change the fact she CONSENTED. Mary could have married the guy first that would have given he security. She choose to have sex, i support the womens right to choose see?
I don't see much reason to differentiate between the first and second trimester and the third. Either you believe there should never be abortions or you believe they are a necessary evil. To me the position that abortions are legal until the fetus starts looking like a person is trying to have it both ways.
I am divorced with three kids so i do think i know a little about how it works with child support.
That wasn't the point, the point was that you will never have to make the choice, you simply will never get into that situation.
It's easy to fall in love, get engaged, get pregnant, get left and the hopes and dreams about a happy family ends there, for the man this is an economical setback, for the woman it means a lot more, it means carrying the costs up until she deliveres the baby, in many cases without having a job, and good chance finding a job as a pregnant woman, without medical insurance and without any means to support herself.
But never mind, you are morally right, screw those women, they should bag and band the husband before ever having sex.
Your solution is nice and all, but not realistic.
DealMonkey
Lifer
Nice sig! 🙂
DealMonkey
Lifer
Yeah, I'd guess you'd know, you war slut. 😛
yes yes it is a test to what people actually know about the roe v. wade decision and subsequent abortion court cases.
note: "trimester" is used loosely, the court defined the term to be the 3rd part of the pregnancy, set off as when the fetus becomes "viable." viable is when the fetus is "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid." so, you see, as medical science advances, when the 3rd trimester starts becomes earlier and earlier.
anyway, thanks for participating in my little social science experiment! go your way rejoicefully 🙂
so, yes, the 34 people who voted for this option are indicating that they don't know what the court case said, since roe v. wade allowed the state to restrict as much as it wanted (except in health of the mother and maybe some other narrow exceptions.
this one is wrong because there is a more appropos answer
this one gets the structure of roe v. wade right. if you think a woman has an absolute right do an abortion in the 3rd trimester you don't support ALL of roe v. wade. but, it's not right because there is a more appropos answer
i suppose this could be a perfectly good answer
this is the appropos answer i was referring to. the current law on the subject is NOT roe v. wade, it is planned parenthood of southeastern pa. v. casey. it differes with roe v. wade in a few ways, which i won't go into here
note: "trimester" is used loosely, the court defined the term to be the 3rd part of the pregnancy, set off as when the fetus becomes "viable." viable is when the fetus is "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid." so, you see, as medical science advances, when the 3rd trimester starts becomes earlier and earlier.
anyway, thanks for participating in my little social science experiment! go your way rejoicefully 🙂
XZeroII
Lifer
I thought it was just a poorly worded poll. I read it like 5 times before I could finally understand it. However, it is not a test since you are basically asking people to pick between two catagories. Just because Roe vs Wade is not a law doesn't mean that is the only choice. People can fall into one of the other catagories very easily since you didn't specify specific parameters for the poll.
I picked "i don't support roe v. wade and think the state has a right to restrict abortion in the 3rd trimester" because it most closely fit my position. I was very hesitant to pick it because of how poorly worded it was and the implications, but I wanted to try to make a more accurate poll. I guess I should have just gone with my instinct 🙁
Someone choosing to abort their child doesn't affect me in any way, shape, or form. If that's what they want to do, I have no issue with it. After all, it is their body and their creation, so if they can create it, why can't they destory it?
I would rather see someone get rid of something they don't want before it is born, rather than see them mistreat or even not love a child because they didn't want it.
DealMonkey
Lifer
Well, you kinda blew it considering you asked people what they "thought" not what they believed the law to be. Most people probably answered with their personal opinion on the matter, not what Roe v Wade (or any other court decision) stipulates.
Tripleshot
Elite Member
Exactly, making his assertion totally invalid.
What is telling is that better than 60% seem to support Roe V Wade for what they percieve that to be, IE: a womans right to choose. And close to 30% don't even want to get in the fray, but just want the bickering to stop. Looks like a clear MINORITY favor dumping a womans right to choose.
Fitting tribute to those right wing morons who think their brand of morality should be foisted on all the population of the world. They must get their lessons from the Taliban, the crusaders for moral might.
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Exactly, making his assertion totally invalid.
What is telling is that better than 60% seem to support Roe V Wade for what they percieve that to be, IE: a womans right to choose. And close to 30% don't even want to get in the fray, but just want the bickering to stop. Looks like a clear MINORITY favor dumping a womans right to choose.
Fitting tribute to those right wing morons who think their brand of morality should be foisted on all the population of the world. They must get their lessons from the Taliban, the crusaders for moral might.
This is anandtech and hardly reflects national views I think. Also, comparing any religious person to the taliban is pure flame bait and no different than calling someone you disagree with a nazi.
The extreme left forcing thier views on people is no different than the extrem right forcing thier views on someone.
So, in you own words , You have become the taliban.
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