120Hz and 3D.. just a bunch of BS?

[cmdrdredd]

I can do about 80fps in BF3 with the game maxed out if I turn off the frame rate cap. Probably the most demanding and relevant game out there right now. A third card or two next gen cards would take that up to 120 or close to it I would think.

Really demanding games are few and far between these days. In most games I get well over 120FPS. If gaming continues to not make ground breaking revolutionary jumps in visuals and correlating hardware demands - which seems likely with consoles not making much of a hardware leap in their up coming replacements - I think it's realistic.

Right now for the most part 2x 7970s or 2x 680s is overkill for 1080P with the goal of maxing out available games, but one of either is not quite enough. I think whenever we get the GTX780 & Radeon 8970 we are going to see a single card that smokes every game out there at 1080P. The hardware is really getting ahead of the software these days. Things like higher resolutions and higher refresh rates are about all that is pushing forward the need for the latest and greatest hardware sadly.

You do have the occational game like Metro 2033 that is really bad in the fps department. I don't see why from a visual standpoint though.

 

[rolodomo]

I had that same monitor and the Asus VG278, put them side by side and ran Unreal Tournament III,,, the Acer had horrible lag. Side by side. Big difference. I got a second opinion from another person just to make sure I wasn't seeing things, even though it was pretty obvious.. the other person confirmed what I was seeing.

Take it back and get the Asus VG278.. they are both around the same money anyways 😉

The Asus is an amazing 120Hz gaming monitor.

You're recommending a newer Asus light boost monitor over an older Acer model, hardly worth spilling ink over.

Still, there's no input lag problems on my older Acer 27" although certainly the second-gen Asus or newer Acer (ET.HH4HE.B04) could be better. Before I purchased the Acer, I specifically checked for input lag test reviews. 3DVision Blog reported the monitor had typical input lag for 3D monitors of that era, which was my experience as well.

The monitor exhibits some input lag, the values measured vary from 0 to 16 ms with an average of about 8 ms, something which is quite good considering that most of the 3D-capable 120Hz monitors do have some input lag anyway.

http://3dvision-blog.com/4455-review-of-the-27-acer-hn274h-3d-vision-ready-lcd-monitor/

 

[SirPauly]

3d stereo may not be for everyone.

What depth are you using?

Do you add any convergence from the advanced settings?

 

[Mastercommander]

Skyrim jitteriness - play in fullscreen window mode

I couldn't tolerate it by the second dungeon

 

[xvizx]

OP like you I do not care for 3d, but getting a 120hz monitor (samsung s23A700D) was one of the best upgrades I've made. In my case, the stutter in games with vsync on would give me a headache after about 30 min, likewise with it disabled if tearing was bad it would have a similar effect. Being able to play without vsync and with very minimal tearing (if any) made gaming much more enjoyable.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

OP like you I do not care for 3d, but getting a 120hz monitor (samsung s23A700D) was one of the best upgrades I've made. In my case, the stutter in games with vsync on would give me a headache after about 30 min, likewise with it disabled if tearing was bad it would have a similar effect. Being able to play without vsync and with very minimal tearing (if any) made gaming much more enjoyable.

Love my s23A700D so much. If it wasn't a glossy screen it would be perfect, but I can tolerate the gloss for how amazing it is for FPS games.

 

[ibex333]

OP like you I do not care for 3d, but getting a 120hz monitor (samsung s23A700D) was one of the best upgrades I've made. In my case, the stutter in games with vsync on would give me a headache after about 30 min, likewise with it disabled if tearing was bad it would have a similar effect. Being able to play without vsync and with very minimal tearing (if any) made gaming much more enjoyable.

Hmm.. I'm going to try turning off v-sync. Maybe that will make a difference. Thanks.

 

[hans030390]

3)A very large amount of people claim that 120Hz makes everything look better. General computer use, 2d and 3d games, etc. Many of these people further claim that the 120Hz has other amazing effects such as improving their performance in games because everything looks just so much better. They go as far as to say that 120Hz is better for the eyes!!! This is simply not true. I have a 25.5" 1920x1200 Asus 60Hz monitor on the wall a few inches away from the Acer and it looks just as good, and interestingly enough, JUST AS BIG. It is my personal opinion, but I believe its a crime to make 1080p monitors any smaller than 27 inches, and anyone who buys a smaller 1080p monitor is wasting their money.

Do a side-by-side comparison of a 60Hz monitor and a 120Hz monitor. All you need to do is drag a window around on the desktop. You should see a very noticeable, immediate difference. The 120Hz monitor will have extremely smooth movement compared to the 60Hz monitor. For games that you can run above 60FPS, the effect is just as noticeable (and awesome)! League of Legends, for example, will fully utilize the 120Hz on my rig. Everything just runs so smoothly, and it is glorious. As strange as it sounds, it almost makes it appear as though I'm actually looking into this fantasy setting instead of looking at a game on a monitor. While it hasn't dramatically improved my playing abilities, it does make certain things...easier?

If you can't see a difference, you either have something set up correctly (either hardware or software/driver settings), or you have broken eyeballs.

BTW, I play with V-sync and triple buffering forced through D3Doverrider along with any V-sync/TB settings I can find in the driver control panel or within games themselves. I absolutely can't stand tearing, and any small amount of it completely defeats the purpose of having a 120Hz monitor to my eyes. Tearing can occur at any framerate, which is why I keep V-sync and triple buffering forced.

 

[xvizx]

Love my s23A700D so much. If it wasn't a glossy screen it would be perfect, but I can tolerate the gloss for how amazing it is for FPS games.

The s23 is great and until affordable 24" 120hz ips displays are available I don't think I'll upgrade again.

Hmm.. I'm going to try turning off v-sync. Maybe that will make a difference. Thanks.

I'm not sure if nvidia is the same but I had to manually change my refresh rate to 120hz in ccc. Just mentioning this cause I thought it would do it automatically and spent my first 15min of playing skyrim thinking I wasted my money cause I saw no difference compared to my 60hz monitor.

 

[Annisman*]

Ah, I should have mentioned this right away, right click on your desktop, go to screen resolution > Advanced > Monitor > Screen refresh rate.

Make sure it is at 120hz. I actually ran 3D (don't ask me techically how) at 60hz, and found out shortly after that my monitor was in fact not running at 120hz. If I remember correctly, I was using some gimped DVI cable that didn't support the full 120.

 

[Etrusk]

You should listen to me, I am a generally sane person who doesn't take inanimate electronics what power your computing device too seriously!!

120Hz monitor DOES make a noticeable difference both for 2D and gaming, but for the latter only if you have the hardware to push the framerate towards that limit. That is, if you are going to be running BF3 on Ultra at ~50fps, that's missing the point of a 120Hz monitor.

Once you start hitting 80+ fps, the crispness and smoothness of panning around makes you really appreciate the $$$ spent.

As for 3D vision, I have a kit coming within the next 2 days. Will report back.

 

[toyota]

it should make panning around smoother at ANY framerate.

 

[Etrusk]

it should make panning around smoother at ANY framerate.

I think it does, but at lower framerates it is more subjective, hence the amount of YES IT DOES NO IT DOSENT arguments. Higher you go the more night and day it becomes, so your avg. expected FPS is, in my opinion, the biggest factor when considering laying down the $$$.

 

[Pottuvoi]

120Hz monitor DOES make a noticeable difference both for 2D and gaming, but for the latter only if you have the hardware to push the framerate towards that limit. That is, if you are going to be running BF3 on Ultra at ~50fps, that's missing the point of a 120Hz monitor.

It's quite visible on low fps as well as 120hz will display 40fps natively instead of dropping to 30fps when using vsync.
Tearing is also less visible as it is displayed half of the time when compared to 60hz. (~8 ms vs 16.6ms)

Would love to see 240hz monitors due to these differences.
It would also allow native 240, 120, 80, 60, 48, 40, 34, 30, ~26, 24 .. fps modes which give smoother vsync for games and ability to display all future movie fps on a monitor. (24, 48 and 60)

 

[gorcorps]

I got rid of my 120Hz monitor in favor of a nicer IPS display. The 3d wasn't that great and I could tell no benefit from the 120Hz.

 

[SirPauly]

It is quite amusing the different views from individuals and how things are so subjective.

 

[BFG10K]

I don’t think 3D is that great but 120Hz makes a very visible difference. It’s not enough to downgrade to a 1080p TN panel though, so a 30” 2560x1600 IPS is still the best gaming display overall.

 

[SirPauly]

For me, the benefits of 120hz from 60hz is compelling for two factors: 120hz 2d gaming and Stereo3d gaming.

If one likes 3d in movies at the cinema; one may find 3d stereo in games compelling. The key may be is to find the right balance of depth and convergence for each individual. Glad to see movement and innovation in trying to rid the world of 2d restrictions. Playing 3d accelerated games on a 2d plane of existence doesn't make a lot of sense for the future to me - and hopefully may see holograms.

 

[psolord]

Excuse my semi-OT question, but since you guys are into things, have you heard of any down to earth* Full HDTVs that will be coming with native 120Hz signal input and be compatible with 3Dvision/2 or other stereoscopic 3D implementation?

What's holding these guys anyway?

* I know about those Mitsubishis that Nvidia supports, but they are too big and nowhere to be found in my country anyway.

 

[SirPauly]

It may be the HDMI standard.

 

[Borealis7]

a native 120Hz TV won't help you until the signal from your Cable/Sat comes in at 120 FPS.
but these TV do a good job interpolating a frame between two frames to compensate for the refresh rate.

 

[Mem]

For me, the benefits of 120hz from 60hz is compelling for two factors: 120hz 2d gaming and Stereo3d gaming.

If one likes 3d in movies at the cinema; one may find 3d stereo in games compelling. The key may be is to find the right balance of depth and convergence for each individual. Glad to see movement and innovation in trying to rid the world of 2d restrictions. Playing 3d accelerated games on a 2d plane of existence doesn't make a lot of sense for the future to me - and hopefully may see holograms.

I can live without 3D and 120Hz for now,I must admit getting a bit fed up with my TN panel and will be going back to VA panel soon(seen a great review of BenQ AMVA panel with very low input lag etc) ,end of the day rather have better colours/viewing angles then 120Hz or 3D,I'm happy with my TN 60Hz in gaming however (apart from viewing angles/colours which as you know TNs are not very good at).

End of the day its a preference thing.

 

[psolord]

It may be the HDMI standard.

The AMD 7900 series already supports high speed hdmi, so it's on the HDTV manufacturer's side to support the same. Also display port is available for quite some time now. That's why I'm asking myself, why on earth haven't they brought such sets yet.

a native 120Hz TV won't help you until the signal from your Cable/Sat comes in at 120 FPS.
but these TV do a good job interpolating a frame between two frames to compensate for the refresh rate.

I thought we were talking 120Hz in respect with PC gaming in this thread. In that respect I was referring to PC generated 120 Hz signals that could be natively input on a HDTV set.

 

[The_Golden_Man]

Is it possible those 120Hz monitor people are experiencing more fluid gameplay because of higher FPS (They will always try to get closer to the 120Hz Vsync and have powerfull hardware to do it), and not the fact that their monitor are 120Hz?

I say this, because when I play games like the witcher 2 on my 60Hz display it feels much more fluid at 80 - 110 + FPS Vsync Off VS 60FPS with Vsync ON. Not just the mouse response, but all feels much more fluid. Could this be the explanation to people claiming 120Hz displays feels so much better VS 60Hz displays?

 

[SirPauly]

The AMD 7900 series already supports high speed hdmi, so it's on the HDTV manufacturer's side to support the same. Also display port is available for quite some time now. That's why I'm asking myself, why on earth haven't they brought such sets yet.

Fast HDMI is an AMD name -- not the HDMI standard, from my understanding.