12 year olds stabbing other kids because of interwebs

[Subyman]

What makes you say that?

Plenty of adults have been known to murder in the names of mythological creatures.

I heard a child psychologist discuss this case. He said they most likely had issues bonding with their parents and family. The two children of the same background ended up finding each other and reinforcing each others ridiculous fantasies unchecked by parental supervision and ultimately those fascinations culminated in this terrible tragedy. It is a tragedy for both the victim and the unfortunate life circumstances that led to the actions of the two offenders. At only 12 years old there is a chance for these two children to get help and be productive citizens instead of becoming monetary pits for the next 60 years in jail.

Adults have fully formed prefrontal cortexes, these children do not, which is why we have juvenile courts and facilities.

 

[dphantom]

They have no remorse because a child brain is still a developing brain and the connection between right wrong black white are morphing into shades of grey.
A child doesn't deal with things the same as an adult because they aren't mature enough to fully understand consequences.
Its why they don't vote, drive, join the military, hold jobs, be responsible for their own education etc etc. They re still learning and developing and its physiological. To write somebody off at 12 is just wrong. Not saying they will ever be decent citizens however their lives are much surer to be a constant drain if you ensconce them with adult laws and conventions

I knew beyond any question at age 12 that killing a person was completely, utterly wrong.

Certainly children are still developing. there is still no excuse for their actions.

 

[momeNt]

Hmm... Slenderman changed since I have heard of him. According to the youtube movie, he abducted children, and killed adults I believe. Not sure what is with the whole killing them to become a devotee.

 

[desy]

I didn't say it was an excuse, its a reason, and you can't use your anecdotal evidence of one person or 100 or 1000 to represent all children.
Now you can throw the baby out with the bathwater and guarantee you will have a damaged adult or you can try and salvage, if possible, the developing person there.

 

[dphantom]

I didn't say it was an excuse, its a reason, and you can't use your anecdotal evidence of one person or 100 or 1000 to represent all children.
Now you can throw the baby out with the bathwater and guarantee you will have a damaged adult or you can try and salvage, if possible, the developing person there.

I did not say that either, get them the help they did not get from their parents but they are still fully accountable for their actions.

 

[alzan]

You can't. That is the problem. Unless they are tried as adults, they will be released when they come of age, regardless of the severity of their crime. There are quite a few documented cases where minors commit acts like murder, it is clear they have no remorse and are likely to do it again, and are released when tried as a minor.


Charging them as adults doesn't mean they are sent to adult prison at 12 if convicted.

I know. My knee-jerk reaction to the crime clouded my response. I'm sure the DA would like them in adult court as should be; these "children" need to be held accountable and kept away from society.

 

[desy]

Yes accountable as children and the laws and penalties that apply to children.
They have a different set of laws and punishments because they are children. the legislators saw to it that children are treated differently in the eyes of law because they are children. I have children, myself and the other regularly comment they are too dumb to ever leave home.
And chronological age doesn't mean emotional maturity either, as kids lead and lag each other all over the developmental map, a 12 yr old may be working as a 10 yr old or a 14 yr old

 

[Jaskalas]

Hmm.. arguments for the children.

Okay then, throw the parents in jail instead. They are clearly no use to their murderous children.

 

[piasabird]

I don't think the Internet makes people kill. Has more to do with morals and parenting and sometimes mental health. Criminals kill because they are criminals. They just choose to do evil things. It is that simple.

 

[desy]

Yes, goes back to Columbine.
They said their parents were by and large indifferent to their lives, which is psychologically damaging. I wondered back then why did they even have kids if they are just accessories to their lives and aren't committed to raising them. I had unavailable parents, they cared were involved in our lives but a shift worker and traveling construction had them around less '70's'. I decided when I had kids, they'd come first then the jobs and it takes effort.
However they are also individuals, raised essentially the same different personalities.

Makes you wonder to what degree you can make a bad parent culpable or even a good parent when it certainly is the kid.

 

[halik]

I knew beyond any question at age 12 that killing a person was completely, utterly wrong.

Certainly children are still developing. there is still no excuse for their actions.

This and even being exposed to violent movies and what not (eastern Europe, minimal censorship) I had no issue discerning real stuff from not real stuff.

Clearly kids with mental issues.

 

[Triumph]

can someone explain what this Slenderman and Copy Pasta is all about?

 

[MongGrel]

This thread was obviously going to happen.

 

[irishScott]

This and even being exposed to violent movies and what not (eastern Europe, minimal censorship) I had no issue discerning real stuff from not real stuff.

Clearly kids with mental issues.

This. I saw Saving Private Ryan with my dad when I was 13, was the most violent movie I'd seen to date. It shocked the shit out of me (which was why he showed it to me). I might buy the "underdeveloped" argument if these had just been ghetto kids with a very messed up sense of right and wrong, but it takes a certain level of insanity to stab your best friend 19 times and leave them for dead on a sidewalk, in the name of a fictional character on the internet.

Police say when they spoke with Weier, she told them she got the idea from a website called “CreepyPasta.”

According to WITI, it is on this website that Weier told police she learned about “Slenderman” — the leader of CreepyPasta. Just below Slenderman is the killer. Just below the killer is the proxy. In order to be a proxy, Weier explained, you have to kill someone — to show your dedication to Slenderman.

These kids basically indoctrinated themselves with child soldier levels of brainwashing. They need more than a trip to a guidance counselor, although I'd prefer lifetime incarceration in a mental facility to prison.

 

[Stewox]

It's parents fault anyways, they should have prevented their child from being brainwashed probably for many more months by the website content.


It's ofcourse obvious with all the other topics and generally the mass public has weak parenting skills and basically degenerate to a zombie level - they don't teach self defense, they don't teach constitution, they don't teach self-sufficiency and survival, basically just buy them a new iphone and that's it, of course there's going to be such cases, that's what the corporations love, keep consuming, keep fighting with yourselfs, while we take over.

 

[Stewox]

Yes accountable as children and the laws and penalties that apply to children.
They have a different set of laws and punishments because they are children. the legislators saw to it that children are treated differently in the eyes of law because they are children. I have children, myself and the other regularly comment they are too dumb to ever leave home.
And chronological age doesn't mean emotional maturity either, as kids lead and lag each other all over the developmental map, a 12 yr old may be working as a 10 yr old or a 14 yr old

Exactly - which also means it can be the other way around, if the child gets proper information he can do a better job than some of the 40+ olds around this forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Oyo8ENwIkc

Children are more vulnerable to brainwashing and psychological abuse, so this incident nothing surprising.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Exactly - which also means it can be the other way around, if the child gets proper information he can do a better job than some of the 40+ olds around this forum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Oyo8ENwIkc

Children are more vulnerable to brainwashing and psychological abuse, so this incident nothing surprising.

I wonder what the proper word for a combination troll and ghoul might be. Maybe trhoul?

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I take it these girls never saw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_CgPsGY5Mw

I blame the parents for not educating their children properly. This commercial could have saved a life, almost.

 

[SlickSnake]

These girls are batshit crazy. And mental health care in this country mostly consists of hallucinogenic drug cocktails that just make the insane more psychotic over time. So the only real recourse is to lock them up for life in a mental health facility, or put them down for the good of society,

Spoiler

just like Carol had to do to Lizzie after she killed her sister Mika to make her a zombie on The Walking Dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dCn7d_jDjg

Loren Coleman always has some good insights into some of the horrific and inexplicable crimes that seem to keep happening around the globe, including their paranormal influences and the after effects of copy cat killers and their unusual and unnerving relations to possibly cursed places and names, too.

http://copycateffect.blogspot.mx/2014/06/slenderman.html

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The twilight language explores hidden meanings and synchromystic connections via onomatology (study of names) and toponymy (study of place names). This blog further investigates "name games" and "number coincidences" found in news and history. By Loren Coleman

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