12 Year Old Boy Maul to Death by Pit Bulls

[feelingshorter]

its not always how you raise them...its obvious that its in genetics. Animals, and including us, have certain behaviors when we are born. Needless to say pitbulls have always been like that. They were also created by us by breeding. Pitbulls, are not natural dogs and their skulls are so big that the female has to be helped at birth. I dont like putbulls and i would rather get a golden retriever any day. My parents grew up with like 9 dogs and cats and they say golden retriever is probably the smartest dog they ever came about.

 

[OutHouse]

Denver just reinstated a pitt bull ban.

 

[Mo0o]

I think some dogs just have more aggressive tendencies than others, pitbulls being one of them.

 

[UNCjigga]

Same city where those two canary island dogs ate that woman to death?

CONFIRMED!

Wow, liberals in the city will probably enact an anti-dangerous dog ordinance now.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
I think some dogs just have more aggressive tendencies than others, pitbulls being one of them.

I agree, there's certainly a genetic factor in it. But I don't at all think that, outside of a minority of specimens no bigger than with any other breed, it's a factor in attacks.

 

[Peetoeng]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just waiting for the pitbull apologists to come streaming in.

Dogs are not totally a product of how they're treated. Every dog has instinct, and it varies from dog to dog. Every dog also has certain physical attributes, which also vary.

You can't "teach" a golden retriever to apply 2,000 lbs/sq. in. of force with their jaw...something a pitbull can do.

I'm sure other breeds are capable of attacking humans too. The reason you don't hear about other breeds is because their attacks are typically non-fatal. But when a pit-bull applies a ton per square inch of force clamping down on your neck, or snapping the bones in your legs, you're dead meat.

Communities need to get the whip crackin' and start banning these dogs from their neighborhoods and cities.

Totally agreed. It's sad seeing people saying 'it's all human's fault, the dog is innocent'.

But it's the truth: humans concocted the breed; they choose to get it as a house pet.

Ban the breed.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Just waiting for the pitbull apologists to come streaming in.

Dogs are not totally a product of how they're treated. Every dog has instinct, and it varies from dog to dog. Every dog also has certain physical attributes, which also vary.

You can't "teach" a golden retriever to apply 2,000 lbs/sq. in. of force with their jaw...something a pitbull can do.

I'm sure other breeds are capable of attacking humans too. The reason you don't hear about other breeds is because their attacks are typically non-fatal. But when a pit-bull applies a ton per square inch of force clamping down on your neck, or snapping the bones in your legs, you're dead meat.

Communities need to get the whip crackin' and start banning these dogs from their neighborhoods and cities.

Totally agreed. It's sad seeing people saying 'it's all human's fault, the dog is innocent'.

But it is the humans fault. It is totally how you raise them. Sure, certain dogs might have tendencies to be more aggressive than others, but each and every dog can be trained to be a good dog. It's the dumbass owners who try to make their dog "tough" is where you get into trouble. They need to start banning people, not dogs.

I've never ever in my entire life met a mean pit bull. And I go to dog shows, so I've met over 100 of them. Including ones who are trained to be attack dogs. Even the attack dogs were really really nice. And I've taken care of a half rottweiler/half pitt bull. Probably the nicest dog I've ever met, and this includes Golden Retrievers (well, I guess you can't really get nicer than most Golden Retrievers so it would be on par with them).

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
I think some dogs just have more aggressive tendencies than others, pitbulls being one of them.

Pit Bulls don't have more aggressive tendencies. Not at all. In fact, they were bred to go after animals and NOT people (when they fought in the ring, if they bit a bystander or the judge they were put down so this weeded out the gene that was aggressive towards people).

So if you own a pit bull you need to watch out more when interacting with animals, not other people.

The difference with pit bulls is the kind of owners they attract. People who think they need to make their dog into a killer dog. And the other difference is the damage they can do with their jaws. But the fact of the matter is that they aren't even close to being the morst aggressive dog.

 

[walla]

Originally posted by: datalink7
...but each and every dog can be trained to be a good dog.

Genetics

"As soon as we hear that aggression may be genetic, we feel that little shiver of fear that tells us there is no hope for our dog. In fact much of the dog movement leans towards the claim that "there are no bad dogs, only bad owners", or the other extreme which is pushing for breed legislation. Either extreme is misguided, and does not help the solve the problem of dog aggression.

"The truth of it is, much of aggressive behavior can be genetic, but it is usually augmented through learning. For example protective aggression is genetic in many terriers, German Shepherds, etc., but it is usually the intensity of the drive that is inherited. We can treat the learning side through behavior modification."

Untreatable Aggression

"Some aggression is not easily treated or is untreatable. If you dog's behavior is truly unpredictable, unprovoked, violent and uncontrolled then living with a dog like this will be difficult. Fortunately these dogs are rare. "

Source: http://dogdoright.com/dog-aggression-diagnosis.htm

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: walla

Originally posted by: datalink7
...but each and every dog can be trained to be a good dog.

Genetics

"As soon as we hear that aggression may be genetic, we feel that little shiver of fear that tells us there is no hope for our dog. In fact much of the dog movement leans towards the claim that "there are no bad dogs, only bad owners", or the other extreme which is pushing for breed legislation. Either extreme is misguided, and does not help the solve the problem of dog aggression.

"The truth of it is, much of aggressive behavior can be genetic, but it is usually augmented through learning. For example protective aggression is genetic in many terriers, German Shepherds, etc., but it is usually the intensity of the drive that is inherited. We can treat the learning side through behavior modification."

Untreatable Aggression

"Some aggression is not easily treated or is untreatable. If you dog's behavior is truly unpredictable, unprovoked, violent and uncontrolled then living with a dog like this will be difficult. Fortunately these dogs are rare. "

Source: http://dogdoright.com/dog-aggression-diagnosis.htm

I suppose I went a little far when I said every dog, but only barely. As they said in the link you provided, untreatable aggression is very rare. 99% of the time it is stupid owners.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Of course genetics play a part in it. Australian Cattle Dogs will start herding instinctively as pups, with no training whatsoever. Retrievers automatically start sneaking up on birds in the bush and bringing home dead animals without anyone giving them the idea. Try teaching a poodle to do that. Even my German Shepherd instinctively tries to herd the family unit as we take our daily walk. He also tries to eat anyone who comes on our porch, and don't even think about entering the house. He was acting like that since he was 3 months old. I didn't train him to do any of that; conversely, all his training has been to blunt his natural aggression and reverse the genetic impulses.

I can train my dog to be as nice and polite as can be, but at the end of the day, he's a German Shepherd, and when asked, the answer will always be "yes, he bites". If I had kids, he'd be history.

Ban the breed.

As has been pointed out here in another thread, the American Pit Bull has been crossbred so thoroughly, and has so many "cousins", that there is nowhere to draw the line at Pit or not Pit. You'd end up having to create giant killing fields across America to dispose of the millions of dogs who are a "possible pit bull mix". I favor mandatory training, registration, and licensing (for dog owners as well as the dogs) to own any dog over say 30lbs. Sure, people would be pissed off having to go through this for a Labrador who will never hurt a fly, but it beats allowing just anyone to own a potential deadly weapon without training or licensing. You have to be trained and licensed to own a handgun or drive an automobile, so why not for a dog that will kill your children?

 

[mjrpes3]

Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Same city where those two canary island dogs ate that woman to death?

CONFIRMED!

Wow, liberals in the city will probably enact an anti-dangerous dog ordinance now.

Its pretty lame to take a complex issue like this and feel the need to immediately politicize it, thus ending any real discussion that could be had on the issue. But I guess it's the nature of the beast when it comes to issues like this in America.

 

[Coquito]

My cousins pit is the kindess dog I know. She sun bathes & chews on rocks all day. She even got mauled a bit by a smaller dog because she wouldn't fight back. It's teeth are as worn & dull as the boulders in Central Park. Because of all this, my chihuahua could probably have it for lunch. Still, it's a great dog, & safe as can be.

 

[Wag]

Wow! A thread about Pit Bulls mauling someone, then people saying they're not such bad dogs after all.

What a shock!

 

[waggy]

Hmm more to the story.

Evidently the mother knew the dog was aggressive and chose to still leave her son alone with the dog.

CNN article

Now if the dog is showing aggression why the heck did she keep it around? if the one is in heat why keep them around?

sad case all around.