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12.9 billion year old mystery "blob" discovered

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30353034/

WASHINGTON - A strange giant space ?blob? spotted when the universe was relatively young has got astronomers puzzled.

Using space and ground telescopes, astronomers looked back to when the universe was only 800 million years old and found something that was out of proportion and out of time. It was gaseous, big, and emitted a certain type of radiation, said study lead author Masami Ouchi, an astronomer at the Carnegie Observatories in Pasadena, Calif.

Scientists don?t even know what to call it. So they just called it a radiation-emitting ?blob.? They used that horror-film staple 34 times in their peer-reviewed study, which will be published in next month?s edition of the Astrophysical Journal. More formally, they named it Himiko, after a legendary ancient Japanese queen.

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Maybe this is finally proof that Rosie O'Donnell really is an ancient space alien?

Edit: More info - http://www.physorg.com/news159634614.html
 
Originally posted by: Kaido
So that's where Gak came from.

:laugh:



In all seriousness. That's great they have found something so old that presents a whole new puzzle, being something that no one has discovered before nor have any concrete explanations for.

Things like this make me stoked for the first years after we get Hubble's replacement up in face, the James Webb Space Telescope. We'll probably be seeing things we never thought could possibly exist, and just in general see so many things that reveal more about the universe.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Since when can they travel through time? 😱

Dude, since forever. How long have you been missing out on time travel? 😉

edit:
for an honest answer, it's not really time travel, it's simply the way we observe anything from Earth.

All light (radiation) we receive is actually "old" compared to the radiation being made at the source we are viewing.

The sun is constantly outputting light. However, from here on Earth, we are visually seeing the sun (using any instrument on or immediately near Earth, or our eyes) as it was 6 minutes ago, because it takes about 8 minutes for that light to reach Earth. So, the Sun could just go kaplooey (in reality, it can't, err... known science says that shouldn't be possible), but we wouldn't feel it, know it, or be able to identify that, until 8 minutes had passed here on Earth. Any instrument immediately next to the Sun would know it right away, but any electromagnetic waves, meaning any wireless transmission, any radiation whatsoever, would take that same amount of time to reach Earth.

In short - when we look out at the sky, using our eyes, using telescopes or even things such as the Hubble telescope, we are peering into the Universe's past, so to speak.
For all we know, a star we see in the sky that we know to be 50,000 light years away, could have went supernova 49,999 years ago. Not a single instrument would know this, until that radiation, or radiation signature, reached up. We will keep seeing that star shining ever so brightly in the night sky, until 50,000 years after it 'died'. And then we might see what actually happened at that time, such as a super bright star as we see it as a supernova.

We can visually identify things out to roughly 14 billion light years out, or at least somewhat close to that. Thus, we deduce the universe is 14 billion years old, because we cannot detect any radiation 'older' than that.
So when scientists detected that blob nearly 13 billion years old, what really happened, is they detected a blob using their instruments, but that blob was identified as being 13 billion light years away. We can basically guarantee that blob no longer exists currently, but we are currently only seeing that blob as it existed 13 billion years ago.

Does that clear that up? I hope that was clear.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Since when can they travel through time? 😱

Okay, assuming you're asking a serious question, light has a finite speed. For our purposes of looking around a room, it's instantaneous, but a light year is about six trillion miles. Therefore, if we find something that happened 12.9 billion years ago, that means it was 6 trillion times 12.9 billion MILES away. The number is too large to really think about, but basically, light took 12.9 billion years to get here, even at its incredible speed. Therefore, we are seeing today what happened 12.9 billion years ago at some insane distance away from us.

If you were being sarcastic, sorry. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Since when can they travel through time? 😱

Okay, assuming you're asking a serious question, light has a finite speed. For our purposes of looking around a room, it's instantaneous, but a light year is about six trillion miles. Therefore, if we find something that happened 12.9 billion years ago, that means it was 6 trillion times 12.9 billion MILES away. The number is too large to really think about, but basically, light took 12.9 billion years to get here, even at its incredible speed. Therefore, we are seeing today what happened 12.9 billion years ago at some insane distance away from us.

If you were being sarcastic, sorry. 🙂

I was kinda thinking that, but how do they know for sure how far something really is, when you're talking light years? Interesting they can figure all these things out though.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Since when can they travel through time? 😱

Okay, assuming you're asking a serious question, light has a finite speed. For our purposes of looking around a room, it's instantaneous, but a light year is about six trillion miles. Therefore, if we find something that happened 12.9 billion years ago, that means it was 6 trillion times 12.9 billion MILES away. The number is too large to really think about, but basically, light took 12.9 billion years to get here, even at its incredible speed. Therefore, we are seeing today what happened 12.9 billion years ago at some insane distance away from us.

If you were being sarcastic, sorry. 🙂

I was kinda thinking that, but how do they know for sure how far something really is, when you're talking light years? Interesting they can figure all these things out though.

See my edit a couple posts up.

However, explaining how they determine how far away something actually is - that is a far longer explanation. I honestly don't feel like looking it up right now to provide an easy to digest link, but I'm sure wikipedia has some good information on it.

There are a lot of techniques to determining how far away something is. It's been awhile since I had my astronomy courses and I haven't really continued reading up on the speed of light and how they measure distance, so it's kind of dropped out of my easily reached memory. With a lot of effort and quick studying I could get back to understanding it more, but... not right now. 😛
 
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