12/7/41, a date which will live in infamy

[CanOWorms]

No your views are extremely uncommon and fringe.

I would say that Eurocentrism is fringe. Most people in the world don't practice it.

Non-profits are fine. A lot of them are based in Europe. Amnesty International was founded in and headquartered in your favorite, the UK.

Do you think that they're racist if they target European policies?

 

[CanOWorms]

Mmmmmmmm.K.

I think we can pretty much decide for ourselves which bird pops out of the clock

Yours? You seem to be denying the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.

 

[Infohawk]

I would say that Eurocentrism is fringe. Most people in the world don't practice it.



Do you think that they're racist if they target European policies?

Eurocentrism is pretty uncommon. But that's not what makes you unusual is it? It's your Europhobia. Are you part of any organizations that share your view that Churchill is worse than Hitler or that the UK should be bombed in response to recent BP-related events?

Is who racist if they target European policies? Amnesty International? They are not racist. They don't focus 99% of their attention on Europe. Right now on their homepage they are pretty evenly spread across the map in their critiques.

 

[CanOWorms]

Eurocentrism is pretty uncommon. But that's not what makes you unusual is it? It's your Europhobia. Are you part of any organizations that share your view that Churchill is worse than Hitler or that the UK should be bombed in response to recent BP-related events?

Most of the people on this forum are Eurocentric. Opposing Eurocentrism is not Europhobia.

I'm not aware of many organizations dedicated to stances like that on any topic. That seems like a bizarre thing to create an association for. However, there are many scholars that support me. Churchill is deeply unpopular in many parts of the world for his atrocities just as Hitler is unpopular here because of his atrocities. We don't popularly focus on Churchill's atrocities, but that doesn't erase them from history. But other cultures do emphasize Churchill's atrocities and our worship of him is going to look quite horrific as the new powers emerge.

Is who racist if they target European policies? Amnesty International? They are not racist. They don't focus 99% of their attention on Europe. Right now on their homepage they are pretty evenly spread across the map in their critiques.

Human rights organizations targeting European policies. For example, there are many focused on the plight of the Roma in Europe. Are those organizations racist? Do you consider the Roma to be European?

 

[Infohawk]

Human rights organizations targeting European policies. For example, there are many focused on the plight of the Roma in Europe. Are those organizations racist? Do you consider the Roma to be European?

No those organizations are not racist. A lot of organizations are single-issue organizations.

Depends on that their citizenship if we're talking about citizenship. Culturally it does not seem like they are well integrated into European culture.

 

[CanOWorms]

No those organizations are not racist. A lot of organizations are single-issue organizations.

Depends on that their citizenship if we're talking about citizenship. Culturally it does not seem like they are well integrated into European culture.

What is European culture? Who gets to pick and choose what is European culture? Is the culture of the Roma not European culture?

 

[Infohawk]

What is European culture? Who gets to pick and choose what is European culture? Is the culture of the Roma not European culture?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Europe

I don't think anyone gets to choose what the culture is. But that doesn't mean it's not possible to identify what it is. I guess you can classify the Roma culture to be a minority subculture of Europe.

 

[CanOWorms]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Europe

I don't think anyone gets to choose what the culture is. But that doesn't mean it's not possible to identify what it is. I guess you can classify the Roma culture to be a minority subculture of Europe.

By classifying it as a minority subculture of Europe, are you putting it on par with the cultures of the Basques, Catalans, Scottish, etc.?

 

[Infohawk]

By classifying it as a minority subculture of Europe, are you putting it on par with the cultures of the Basques, Catalans, Scottish, etc.?

What do you mean by "on par?" Basques, Catalans, and Scots are very well integrated and have been around Europe for thousands of years. The Romani have a more recent presence in Europe and are very poorly integrated. Where is this going? If a Romani is a citizen they are citizens...

 

[CanOWorms]

What do you mean by "on par?" Basques, Catalans, and Scots are very well integrated and have been around Europe for thousands of years. The Romani have a more recent presence in Europe and are very poorly integrated. Where is this going? If a Romani is a citizen they are citizens...

I want to know if you are putting them in a different category. Where is the cut off? The Roma have been around for hundreds of years; the earliest reference to Catalonia is in the 1300s which is similar to the first reference of the Roma. The Roma were in Europe before Mozart, the Englightenment, Newton, etc.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I want to know if you are putting them in a different category. Where is the cut off? The Roma have been around for hundreds of years; the earliest reference to Catalonia is in the 1300s which is similar to the first reference of the Roma. The Roma were in Europe before Mozart, the Englightenment, Newton, etc.

They are classified as the same of other "travelers" both in mainland Europe and in the UK, their nationality or heritage is of no importance what so ever to anyone, their behaviour is.

If you are completely unwilling to live in a society, work in a society or adhere to the laws of a society you will become an outcast, that goes for EVERYONE regardless of age, sex, nationality or ethnicity.

I know you are trying to imply this has to do with racism but it doesn't, not even a little bit.

I suppose in a brain that can concoct a defense for Churchill being worse then Hitler there is no sanity left though.

Your poor parents must be so ashamed of you.

 

[CanOWorms]

They are classified as the same of other "travelers" both in mainland Europe and in the UK, their nationality or heritage is of no importance what so ever to anyone, their behaviour is.

If you are completely unwilling to live in a society, work in a society or adhere to the laws of a society you will become an outcast, that goes for EVERYONE regardless of age, sex, nationality or ethnicity.

I know you are trying to imply this has to do with racism but it doesn't, not even a little bit.

We're talking about culture.

I suppose in a brain that can concoct a defense for Churchill being worse then Hitler there is no sanity left though.

Your poor parents must be so ashamed of you.

Churchill was a monster and anyone trying to wash away his atrocities is akin to a Holocaust denier.

 

[Exterous]

This thread is not even close to what I expected. The stupidity in this thread far surpasses what I would have thought possible - even for P&N

 

[Lemon law]

This thread is not even close to what I expected. The stupidity in this thread far surpasses what I would have thought possible - even for P&N

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Don't be so hard on this thread Exterous, it somewhat started well, but in typical P&N style it slowly degenerated into the absurd.

One thing we can't deny, 12/7/1941 was a pivotal event in world history. And our OP was correct in starting the thread.

 

[Infohawk]

I want to know if you are putting them in a different category. Where is the cut off? The Roma have been around for hundreds of years; the earliest reference to Catalonia is in the 1300s which is similar to the first reference of the Roma. The Roma were in Europe before Mozart, the Englightenment, Newton, etc.

Category related to what?

 

[CanOWorms]

Category related to what?

The other ones I listed.

 

[Infohawk]

The other ones I listed.

I've lost track of what we're talking about. Romani are citizens of whatever country they have citizenship with. Romani are a minority culture in Europe. What else do you want to know specifically?

 

[CanOWorms]

I've lost track of what we're talking about. Romani are citizens of whatever country they have citizenship with. Romani are a minority culture in Europe. What else do you want to know specifically?

Do you prefer Catalans to be a minority culture of Europe? Scots, etc.

 

[Infohawk]

Do you prefer Catalans to be a minority culture of Europe? Scots, etc.

Really never thought about it.

 

[Exterous]

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Don't be so hard on this thread Exterous, it somewhat started well, but in typical P&N style it slowly degenerated into the absurd.

It had degenerated by the first reply. Ah wel....

 

[evident]

all i have to say is, it's great that 60 years later after pearl harbor and the atomic bombings that Japan and the US are great allies.

i've been to both places back to back this year and it's really depressing to know and see what kind of destruction happened at those places.

 

[Linflas]

all i have to say is, it's great that 60 years later after pearl harbor and the atomic bombings that Japan and the US are great allies.

i've been to both places back to back this year and it's really depressing to know and see what kind of destruction happened at those places.

I have always been amazed at that as well. It really is a tribute to the way we dealt with our former foes post WW II.