12/7/41, a date which will live in infamy

[Schadenfroh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VqQAf74fsE

America remembers the day we were forced into the most horrific war humanity has ever seen.

Hats off to our greatest generation for preserving our country in its darkest hour. We emerged a superpower.

 

[Anarchist420]

I should add this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/574

Also, Harry Truman was probably the biggest war criminal of the 20th Century. The Japanese were willing to conditionally surrender. And the conditions under which they were willing to surrender would've made us better off. We wouldn't be wasting our money by having bases there if we had accepted their surrender offers.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I should add this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/574

Also, Harry Truman was probably the biggest war criminal of the 20th Century. The Japanese were willing to conditionally surrender. And the conditions under which they were willing to surrender would've made us better off. We wouldn't be wasting our money by having bases there if we had accepted their surrender offers.

Now that the forum idiot has posted.

/Salute to those men and women that remain.

 

[Amused]

I should add this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/574

Also, Harry Truman was probably the biggest war criminal of the 20th Century. The Japanese were willing to conditionally surrender. And the conditions under which they were willing to surrender would've made us better off. We wouldn't be wasting our money by having bases there if we had accepted their surrender offers.

Gotta love history revisionism and idiotic conspiracy theories!

Sad that this is the first post, though.

 

[Linflas]

Gotta love history revisionism and idiotic conspiracy theories!

Sad that this is the first post, though.

It certainly is especially given that a lot of us would likely not be here to post in a Pearl Harbor thread but for the fact that Harry Truman made the tough choice he had to make.

 

[Pardus]

Attack on Pearl Harbor:

188 U.S. aircraft were destroyed, 2,402 personnel were killed and 1,282 were wounded.

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki:

90,000–166,000 killed in Hiroshima 60,000–80,000 killed in Nagasaki

Sad day.

 

[Lemon law]

No doubt about it, Japan suckered punched us on 12/7/1941, and had not our air craft carriers left Pearl Harbor for other missions a few days before, the Japanese would have been far harder to defeat.

But the thing not to be missed is that the USA had far wiser leaders back then, and once will beat the crap out of Japan, we let them up gently, and now they are US allies.

What good does it do to win a war if we lose the peace? Something we seem to lost sight of since. But as somewhat self taught student of that period of history, the USA got two huge lucky breaks, one at the battle of Midway and the other at Layte Gulf.
Had Admiral Kirita exploited his advantage, the push for Japan could have taken another year. Had one simple catapult not temporarily malfunctioned, the Japanese may have found the USA air craft carriers first at the battle of Midway.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Attack on Pearl Harbor:

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki:


Sad day.

Nanjing , China
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

80,000 Chinese women and children raped by Imperial Japanese Soldiers
200,000 - 300,000 Chinese civilians and disarmed soldiers murdered by Imperial Japanese Soldiers

 

[Amused]

Attack on Pearl Harbor:

Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki:


Sad day.

Estimated dead from a mainland Japan invasion:

2-3 million Japanese

.5-1 million American soldiers.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I should add this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/574

Also, Harry Truman was probably the biggest war criminal of the 20th Century. The Japanese were willing to conditionally surrender. And the conditions under which they were willing to surrender would've made us better off. We wouldn't be wasting our money by having bases there if we had accepted their surrender offers.

Anad needs to bannish you to a ATOT forum internment camp.....

 

[boomerang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VqQAf74fsE

America remembers the day we were forced into the most horrific war humanity has ever seen.

Hats off to our greatest generation for preserving our country in its darkest hour. We emerged a superpower.

Thanks for the post. It's nice to see that others remember too. My father served in that war and relived it every night in his dreams.

 

[OCGuy]

The Greatest Generation.

Dont feed the troll guys.

 

[boomerang]

The Greatest Generation.

Dont feed the troll guys.

History buff eh?

 

[Infohawk]

I heard that the reason WW2 was fought was that so people would have the right to leak classified information. On TV they're always talking about how the greatest generation didn't keep any secrets from anyone but won the war through by beating every japanese and german soldier to death with their bare hands, no secret technology or troop movements involveds.

 

[Thump553]

I just finished reading an excellent memoir of the Pacific war by a Marine private, E. B. Sledge With The Old Breed. Highly recommended-but almost unreadable in parts when he describes the hell they went through. I especially direct anarachist420 to that book to see if he will still spout his idiotic drivel after reading it.

 

[rickon66]

A salute and thanks to all Allied Veterans on Pearl Harbor Day!! The scum who post constant anti-American comments should thank them too. After WW2 the USA as the sole nuclear power, was in a position where they could have completely dominated the world if they wanted. Instead, the USA rebuilt both Germany and Japan.

 

[CanOWorms]

We should have only focused on the Pacific and ignored Hitler's declaration of war.

 

[Schadenfroh]

We should have only focused on the Pacific and ignored Hitler's declaration of war.

I somewhat agree....
"Japan attacked us and has begun taking over our territories in the Pacific, let us go occupy North Africa and Europe!"

 

[Anarchist420]

I just finished reading an excellent memoir of the Pacific war by a Marine private, E. B. Sledge With The Old Breed. Highly recommended-but almost unreadable in parts when he describes the hell they went through. I especially direct anarachist420 to that book to see if he will still spout his idiotic drivel after reading it.

What did I say that was idiotic in this thread?

 

[ayabe]

I heard that the reason WW2 was fought was that so people would have the right to leak classified information. On TV they're always talking about how the greatest generation didn't keep any secrets from anyone but won the war through by beating every japanese and german soldier to death with their bare hands, no secret technology or troop movements involveds.

I thought it was to protect the rights of ill-informed whiners like you.

 

[Thump553]

What did I say that was idiotic in this thread?

Post #2

 

[OBLAMA2009]

I should add this:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/574

Also, Harry Truman was probably the biggest war criminal of the 20th Century. The Japanese were willing to conditionally surrender. And the conditions under which they were willing to surrender would've made us better off. We wouldn't be wasting our money by having bases there if we had accepted their surrender offers.

im not sure which was more barbaric, roosevelt allowing pearl harbor, the japanese doing it, or truman dropping two atomic bombs on civilians. im inclined to say that last, it way outdid even 9/11

 

[yllus]

Boston.com has a great Big Picture set that people here might be interesting in seeing.

The Big Picture: Pearl Harbor, 69 years ago today

 

[Infohawk]

We should have only focused on the Pacific and ignored Hitler's declaration of war.

Because having Europe and Russia controlled by the Nazis or Stalinists would have been in the interests of the USA.

 

[OCGuy]

im not sure which was more barbaric, roosevelt allowing pearl harbor, the japanese doing it, or truman dropping two atomic bombs on civilians. im inclined to say that last, it way outdid even 9/11

Please tell me you didn't major in any sort of historical field...