12-13 year old girls given contraceptive implants

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: DVK916
Girls who request this, at such a young age should have thier tube tied instead. It would be better if they weren't allowed to breed period.

I have a better suggestion. People who think they have the moral high ground to judge the sexual habits of others and decide who should or shouldn't be able to reproduce (yes, I mean you) should be sterilized... to preserve the genetic pool. Our species doesn't need you - please vacate your spot and help preserve the resources that the rest of us can use to achieve something.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari
It's utterly insane how anybody could consider it OK that 12 year old girls are getting these long term procedures without parental consent. I wonder who will be held responsible for any aftereffects of this procedure.

No, what is really insane is that you think you have the ability to judge other's sexual habits. Who made you saint?

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
you would prefer the 12 year old girls get abortions instead?

No, I would prefer parental consent like everything else not related to sexuality requires.

It won't be long until your a grandfather.

You assume he can find someone to become a father with first, don't you? We have already proven he doesn't have children in previous threads...

Future Shock

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: zendari
It's utterly insane how anybody could consider it OK that 12 year old girls are getting these long term procedures without parental consent. I wonder who will be held responsible for any aftereffects of this procedure.

No, what is really insane is that you think you have the ability to judge other's sexual habits. Who made you saint?

Do you know what parental consent is or are you as a Physician = GOD?

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: EatSpam
The alternative to kids buying cigarettes or going to R rated movies? The kids don't get cigarrettes and R rated movies. Big deal.

A sexually active kid doesn't get birth control. Pregnancy occurs. And don't try telling someone "no sex"... that doesn't work - the church has been trying to do that for years.

It would work if it was done properly and there wasn't liberal Hollywooders encouraging our kids to engage in this behavior.

When the HELL in history has it every been done "properly"???

I remember reading about Colonial dating rituals in the US, with no media, rampant Church participation and worship. They talked about how young men travelled a great distance to court women because the population was so thin in places, and how they had no place to sleep BUT in the same bed as their ladyfriend. BUT since sex before marriage wasn't allowed, a device called a centerboard divided the bed in half lenghwise to prevent physical contact...

Except the article went on to say that, of course, it was usually circumvented, and pre-maritual sex was common on these visitations - in COLONIAL days.


So what were the adults doing wrong, which liberal media was drowning them out, which Church fathers were obviously inept?

Answer: none of the above: young people just want to have sex, and they will.

All we can do is try to protect THEM and protect society.

Future Shock

 

[BlancoNino]

We can't keep people from killing eachother either. It's just going to happen so we might as well just do what we can to soften the blow instead of trying to stop it.

 

[dahunan]

I don't want to tell them they "can't" because it will only make them do it more.. but sex at such a young age 13-14-15 is a waste of their lives.. they just waste valuable time in their developmental stages on the emotional struggles involved with such deep issues.

Not to mention that an orgasm is probably one of the heaviest drugs there is on earth...these children do not know how to manage everything that comes with the rush of hormones at such an early age

But. .I guess we could go back to Roman times where you weren't a man until some important guy put it in your booty...

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We can't keep people from killing eachother either. It's just going to happen so we might as well just do what we can to soften the blow instead of trying to stop it.

Again the parallel really isn't there. Sexual behavior is a natural progression of human behavior and hormonal changes. Killing a human being is a depraved act, that when done for no reason other than to kill for personal reasons borders on some level of mental disability. I think your parents would have taught you better. The thing that may exist in both scenarios is the flawed human nature that all people possess. Personal responsibility, in all cases is the final deciding factor.

 

[dahunan]

Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

The steroids in beef are also causing hormonal changes in children too

When is too young to just start banging away

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

Yes and no. It depends. If you look at the number of years past puberty before the first sexual act, then on average it is normal. If you think about sex in terms of accepted norms of western society, then it is a couple of years too young. Either way, you can't let them ruin their lives, and then claim that they deserved it. It's inhuman. The name of the game is "harm reduction".... not "harm elimination".
q]Originally posted by: dahunan
When is too young to just start banging away[/quote]
I think that question is best answered for the kid by their respective parent. For some, 12 is old enough, for some any time before marriage is punishable by death. Making a blanket standard will get us nowhere.

I didn't have sex till I was quite a bit older than 12, but I know people who started much earlier than I, and they are no different intellectually or socially.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

The steroids in beef are also causing hormonal changes in children too

When is too young to just start banging away

Let me say it again, Personal responsibility, in all cases is the final deciding factor.

Beyond the parents responsibility to educate their children, they will have to acknowledge the fact the children are ultimately the ones telling their boyfriend or girlfriend "Not now", and feeling good about it. If children are having sex at a young age, I would probably look towards the parental involvement, and see what kind of atmosphere the parents are providing so the child thinks that sort of behavior is acceptable.

People are still not understanding how much power a parent has to influence their childrens behavior.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

The steroids in beef are also causing hormonal changes in children too

When is too young to just start banging away

Let me say it again, Personal responsibility, in all cases is the final deciding factor.

Beyond the parents responsibility to educate their children, they will have to acknowledge the fact the children are ultimately the ones telling their boyfriend or girlfriend "Not now", and feeling good about it. If children are having sex at a young age, I would probably look towards the parental involvement, and see what kind of atmosphere the parents are providing so the child thinks that sort of behavior is acceptable.

People are still not understanding how much power a parent has to influence their childrens behavior.

and if schools give out contraceptives to 12 years olds aren't they also telling 12 year old children that it is ok to have sex at that age...

There comes a point where they are actually promoting it.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

The steroids in beef are also causing hormonal changes in children too

When is too young to just start banging away

Let me say it again, Personal responsibility, in all cases is the final deciding factor.

Beyond the parents responsibility to educate their children, they will have to acknowledge the fact the children are ultimately the ones telling their boyfriend or girlfriend "Not now", and feeling good about it. If children are having sex at a young age, I would probably look towards the parental involvement, and see what kind of atmosphere the parents are providing so the child thinks that sort of behavior is acceptable.

People are still not understanding how much power a parent has to influence their childrens behavior.

and if schools give out contraceptives to 12 years olds aren't they also telling 12 year old children that it is ok to have sex at that age...

There comes a point where they are actually promoting it.

That's the problem - you seem to be convinced that giving people options other than what you want them to do, encourages them to go in an alternate direction. You think that information somehow corrupts (hence all the abstinence-only uber-failures of sex ed programs).

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

The steroids in beef are also causing hormonal changes in children too

When is too young to just start banging away

Let me say it again, Personal responsibility, in all cases is the final deciding factor.

Beyond the parents responsibility to educate their children, they will have to acknowledge the fact the children are ultimately the ones telling their boyfriend or girlfriend "Not now", and feeling good about it. If children are having sex at a young age, I would probably look towards the parental involvement, and see what kind of atmosphere the parents are providing so the child thinks that sort of behavior is acceptable.

People are still not understanding how much power a parent has to influence their childrens behavior.

and if schools give out contraceptives to 12 years olds aren't they also telling 12 year old children that it is ok to have sex at that age...

There comes a point where they are actually promoting it.

That's the problem - you seem to be convinced that giving people options other than what you want them to do, encourages them to go in an alternate direction. You think that information somehow corrupts (hence all the abstinence-only uber-failures of sex ed programs).

No.. the problem is that you seem convinced that 12 year old children should be allowed to choose anal or missionary

Give the options to the parents.. not the children

 

[Zebo]

Birth control ruined it for us. Now these women can actually have choices and don't have to comply with the first guy to come along and plant a seed. They got us by balls so much even Dr. Phil is allowed to make a profit on guys second guessing thier natual instincts, usually ay a womens behest. I say ban it all 13 or 33 much prefer them having no choices.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: dahunan
No.. the problem is that you seem convinced that 12 year old children should be allowed to choose anal or missionary

Give the options to the parents.. not the children

Aside from the latter being quite funny, you're still not getting it. The parents of the girls who do it without parental consent cannot prohibit their children from having sex. Unless you're willing to go for public stonings, like in Saudi Arabia, you're not going to solve the problem by prohibition.

It's the parents' responsibility to ensure that their children adhere to the morality standards they choose. If the parents fail in that regard, then don't you think it's better to minimize harm to the children?

 

[rickn]

unless parents plan on chaining their kids to their bedroom til they turn 18, they can only accomplish so much. if a kids wants to have sex, they're gonna have sex no matter what their parents tell them. a good parent can only attempt to mold their child. if they still want to have sex, a parent should go get them birth control..or like I said, chain them to their bedroom til they turn 18, because any attempt will be futile. I'd rather have a 12yr old child having safe sex than unsafe sex. what else are you gonna do, beat the hell out of them cuz they want to have sex?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

The steroids in beef are also causing hormonal changes in children too

When is too young to just start banging away

Nothings changed. In the 1970's when i was a kid we "played house" or "played Doctor" if you know what I mean.. In the 1870's 12 and 13 was marring age to get around Victorian societal constrants and thus have sex.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Birth control ruined it for us. Now these women can actually have choices and don't have to comply with the first guy to come along and plant a seed. They got us by balls so much even Dr. Phil is allowed to make a profit on guys second guessing thier natual instincts, usually ay a womens behest. I say ban it all 13 or 33 much prefer them having no choices.

don't be a sarcastic asshole... your brain and thoughts are actually appreciated around here

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: rickn
unless parents plan on chaining their kids to their bedroom til they turn 18, they can only accomplish so much. if a kids wants to have sex, they're gonna have sex no matter what their parents tell them. a good parent can only attempt to mold their child. if they still want to have sex, a parent should go get them birth control..or like I said, chain them to their bedroom til they turn 18, because any attempt will be futile. I'd rather have a 12yr old child having safe sex than unsafe sex. what else are you gonna do, beat the hell out of them cuz they want to have sex?

Honestly it's getting beaten to death, but here are the cliffs.

Cliffs:

Parents: Need to influence their children to make responsible decisions.

Children: Need to exercise personal responsibility, and weigh out the impact having sex will have on their lives. Hopefully they will make a choice that they deem is the most responsible.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

The steroids in beef are also causing hormonal changes in children too

When is too young to just start banging away

Nothings changed. In the 70's when i was a kid we "played house" if you know what I mean.. In the 1870's 12 and 13 was marring age to get around Victorian societal constrants and thus have sex.

looks like I spoke too soon.. I appreciate historical perspective brought into the discussion... thank you

 

[MicroChrome]

Big deal...

They should be putting condom machines back in the school bathrooms!

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: rickn
unless parents plan on chaining their kids to their bedroom til they turn 18, they can only accomplish so much. if a kids wants to have sex, they're gonna have sex no matter what their parents tell them. a good parent can only attempt to mold their child. if they still want to have sex, a parent should go get them birth control..or like I said, chain them to their bedroom til they turn 18, because any attempt will be futile. I'd rather have a 12yr old child having safe sex than unsafe sex. what else are you gonna do, beat the hell out of them cuz they want to have sex?

Honestly it's getting beaten to death, but here are the cliffs.

Cliffs:

Parents: Need to influence their children to make responsible decisions.

Children: Need to exercise personal responsibility, and weigh out the impact having sex will have on their lives. Hopefully they will make a choice that they deem is the most responsible.

it's hard to get most adults to do that, let alone try and get horny teenagers to.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
We can't keep people from killing eachother either. It's just going to happen so we might as well just do what we can to soften the blow instead of trying to stop it.

This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

 

[boran]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Do you realize that children at the age of 12 are fvcking each other nowadays.. Is that natural

The steroids in beef are also causing hormonal changes in children too

When is too young to just start banging away

It's just a cultural thing imho. in many older cultures girls were married to men whenever they were fertile (had their period) so that could be as young as 10 sometimes. and yes we're not in the middle ages I know. just saying it's not exactly unnatural. and in general we're talking about 13yo's having sex with 15 to 17 yo's (making the 17yo's illegal in belgium where the age of concent is 16 and anyone over that barrier doing anything with anyone under that barrier is seen as statuary rape (spelling ?) )

my point is ppls who want to have sex are going to have sex. I dont feel too comfy myself with the tought of 13yo's having sex either but what can you do against it ? chastity belts ? lock em up ? not really imho. so all you can do is make sure that when they have sex that they actually have tought it thru, made a concious decision and are prepared (which in general means, have condoms, and know that they're supposed to use em)

and then another point. age is just a number. seriously, I knew girls that were 13 (older now, was while back) having a more mature vision on live than some girls of over 20 that I know now.

the thing is that puberty is happening sooner. just look how some of those girls go clothed and such. they are no kids anymore and you can keep thinking that but they aint. you can scream bloody murder all over the place. aint going to change much.

so in short. lock em up or inform em as good as you can. those are the choices.