12/12/01: New Via 4in1 drivers: Version 4.36 released
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i dont remember what my previous set was (4.31? who knows!) but I went ahead and installed 4.36 this morning since I recently installed xp and wanted *everything* to be up to date. I wasnt really have previous problems, but I figured it couldnt hurt.
havent seen any benefits to it, but haven't seen any downsides either, so I think we're safe.
havent seen any benefits to it, but haven't seen any downsides either, so I think we're safe.
Alright just ran the setup file and installed the drivers standard install.. system is rebooting. :Q :Q :Q
OK......anyone else having trouble getting these????? I'm on a new wireless connection......maybe that's it, but, I can't download these at all! Anyone else hosting them yet or want to send them to me?????
I'm on a new wireless connection......maybe that's it, but, I can't download these at all! Anyone else hosting them yet or want to send them to me?????if i may ask an ignorant question...just what are these line of 4in1 drivers supposed to do? Are they supposed to make ur system more stable? Improve performance? improve compatibility w/ Windows? Or just general driver upgrades that more or less do all of the above?
I guess bottomline question is, why feel compelled to install them?
I guess bottomline question is, why feel compelled to install them?
<< if i may ask an ignorant question...just what are these line of 4in1 drivers supposed to do? Are they supposed to make ur system more stable? Improve performance? improve compatibility w/ Windows? Or just general driver upgrades that more or less do all of the above?
I guess bottomline question is, why feel compelled to install them? >>
Read here: Linkee
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Just to make sure everybody knows the info on (Via 4.36 drivers)
from VIA ARENA
<< New 4in1 drivers, version 4.36 have just been released on the Drivers Page. This includes the new and improved IDE driver version 1.20 but what will be of more interest to most of you in this category is that it also includes a silent installation of a patch which adjusts a memory setting in BIOS on KT266A, P4M266, P4X266, P4X266A, KT133, KT133A and KT266 chipset based motherboards. The patch will detect the chipset on your motherboard and install where appropriate. I know that there are some people in this thread with a chipset not on the list I just gave, with symptoms of the loop/BSOD error.Be assured that the engineers in Taiwan are still working on this issue. Please let me know how the 4.36 drivers go for you. >>
from VIA ARENA
<< New 4in1 drivers, version 4.36 have just been released on the Drivers Page. This includes the new and improved IDE driver version 1.20 but what will be of more interest to most of you in this category is that it also includes a silent installation of a patch which adjusts a memory setting in BIOS on KT266A, P4M266, P4X266, P4X266A, KT133, KT133A and KT266 chipset based motherboards. The patch will detect the chipset on your motherboard and install where appropriate. I know that there are some people in this thread with a chipset not on the list I just gave, with symptoms of the loop/BSOD error.Be assured that the engineers in Taiwan are still working on this issue. Please let me know how the 4.36 drivers go for you. >>
So, should I uninstall the old 4-in-1 before installing the new set? Or can I just install the new set on top of the old ones?
I have the apollo 133A chipset. I just installed 4.35 with no problem. I think key benefits to older chipsets are AGP and IDE bus drivers. I don't think it matters which versions for them. 4in1's will ID your mobo.
hmmm what about people with the 761 chipset who want better performance out of that crappy VIA southbridge?:|
RE: probs with 23.11 drivers and VIA 4 in 1
So what does the silent patch do? It closes the RX55 memory register in BIOS. The RX55 register's official name and function is Memory Write Queue (MWQ) timer. The MWQ timer is actually a timing device included in the memory host controller to prevent write data being held in the memory queue too long. After the data has been in the queue too long it times out. This timed out data is then given a higher write request priority. Now that might sound nice - a bit of extra performance BUT the procedure fails when overloaded. 3D games and Win XP put too much load on the memory queuing timer procedure. The nVidia new driver exaggerates the problem even more as the driver enables nVidia cards to use even more memory than previous driver versions.
So in a nutshell it?s a memory timing problem that only happens when the RX55 register is opened. Some motherboard manufacturers have already released new BIOS that have the register closed. In other instances, this patch is needed.
One thing I have noticed is that I think some people in this thread are confusing one issue with the issue that I am referring to here. Symptoms I am talking about are the infinite loop error, dropping to desktop in 3D games or spontaneous reboot in 3D games. What I strongly suggest is that you try these trouble shooting suggestions before trying the patch:
- Load optimized defaults in your BIOS and do not modify memory settings
- set your memory settings in the BIOS less aggressively and test
- make sure you have an adequate power supply
- update your BIOS and test
- disable or enable AGP fast write and test (this has worked for some people)
The reason that I make these suggestions is that I think some people are confusing general instability because their systems are being pushed to the max, with this error. For example, if you have a 250watt power supply, 128mb RAM and have all your memory settings at max then you may be asking for trouble - the symptoms may be similar to this issue but it?s not the same. If you still get the issue after gong through these suggestions then try the 4.36 with silent patch
UPDATE: George Breese, the resident VIA Chipset guru at VIA Hardware has this to say about the patch: This patch detects the 0305, 3099, 3102, and 3112 (KT133x, KT266x, VT8662, and KLE133) *only*. On these chipsets, it will patch register 55 in the Northbridge, which will supposedly switch off a Memory Write Queue timer.
In the KT133A datasheet, register 55 is "reserved". But - yikes! - in the KT266, the documented MWQ register is register 95, not 55. Register 55 contains unrelated DDR timing adjustments and could actually be dangerous to program. For this reason, I do not recommend installing this driver on the KT266x chipsets until VIA examines this issue. For now, use WPCREDIT and set bits 5, 6, and 7 to zero in register 95 instead.
So what does the silent patch do? It closes the RX55 memory register in BIOS. The RX55 register's official name and function is Memory Write Queue (MWQ) timer. The MWQ timer is actually a timing device included in the memory host controller to prevent write data being held in the memory queue too long. After the data has been in the queue too long it times out. This timed out data is then given a higher write request priority. Now that might sound nice - a bit of extra performance BUT the procedure fails when overloaded. 3D games and Win XP put too much load on the memory queuing timer procedure. The nVidia new driver exaggerates the problem even more as the driver enables nVidia cards to use even more memory than previous driver versions.
So in a nutshell it?s a memory timing problem that only happens when the RX55 register is opened. Some motherboard manufacturers have already released new BIOS that have the register closed. In other instances, this patch is needed.
One thing I have noticed is that I think some people in this thread are confusing one issue with the issue that I am referring to here. Symptoms I am talking about are the infinite loop error, dropping to desktop in 3D games or spontaneous reboot in 3D games. What I strongly suggest is that you try these trouble shooting suggestions before trying the patch:
- Load optimized defaults in your BIOS and do not modify memory settings
- set your memory settings in the BIOS less aggressively and test
- make sure you have an adequate power supply
- update your BIOS and test
- disable or enable AGP fast write and test (this has worked for some people)
The reason that I make these suggestions is that I think some people are confusing general instability because their systems are being pushed to the max, with this error. For example, if you have a 250watt power supply, 128mb RAM and have all your memory settings at max then you may be asking for trouble - the symptoms may be similar to this issue but it?s not the same. If you still get the issue after gong through these suggestions then try the 4.36 with silent patch
UPDATE: George Breese, the resident VIA Chipset guru at VIA Hardware has this to say about the patch: This patch detects the 0305, 3099, 3102, and 3112 (KT133x, KT266x, VT8662, and KLE133) *only*. On these chipsets, it will patch register 55 in the Northbridge, which will supposedly switch off a Memory Write Queue timer.
In the KT133A datasheet, register 55 is "reserved". But - yikes! - in the KT266, the documented MWQ register is register 95, not 55. Register 55 contains unrelated DDR timing adjustments and could actually be dangerous to program. For this reason, I do not recommend installing this driver on the KT266x chipsets until VIA examines this issue. For now, use WPCREDIT and set bits 5, 6, and 7 to zero in register 95 instead.
<< hmmm what about people with the 761 chipset who want better performance out of that crappy VIA southbridge?:| >>
It says on the page linked above not to use these in "hybrids" such as the Via/AMD.........
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