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12,000 paid not to work by Big-3. Is it fair????
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Leper Messiah
Banned
hm. Flint has like 10K UAW employees. I'm sure i could find a job for twice what I make now and nef all day.
HumblePie
Lifer
Correct, which is why Toyota is building a plant in Texas. Texas is a right to work state which means a company can hire and fire anyone and anyone can work or not work at any time.
The door swings both ways in both places. In a non right to work state, a company can't just fire someone without paying out the a$$ to get rid of them unless there is some major over riding consideration, like he's a serial killer. I'm serious, it has to be that bad in some places before a company can dump someone out on their butt for nothing. However, a person working for a union can't just quit either. Get on a 15 year contract, and you are on a 15 year contract. Everything you do is pre-ordained. Your raises, your benefits, everything. Get enticed to another job with higher pay? Can't take it. Get bored of work and want to seek a new career? Can't do it.
There are positives and negative for both, but personally I prefer right to work states with a few bare minimum state laws for employee protection over the federal standards.
Leper Messiah
Banned
Well, flint and detriot already are...
meltdown75
Lifer
as will a large portion of the Windsor / Detroit tool and die framework. very scary for the lives of thousands of workers in related fields.
HumblePie
Lifer
LOL, you do NOT stay late. You do not deviate from the times laid out. That's part of the contract. You have programmed lunch times, break times, and whatever. If your contract stipulates a 15 minute break at 10:15 AM, then when 10:15 AM rolls around exactly, you STOP ALL WORK for 15 minutes. And exactly 15 minutes. Seriously. You do not get overtime at a job like that. The company can not ask you to stay late and you can not volunteer. It's not in the contract. Everything you must ask for or do is through the Union and they ask for you. If you aren't in the Union, you can't work for the company either. That's part of the labor contract they have. The Unions provide all needed labor to the company under the contract.
This is why these people must come in at exactly the same time every day, and leave at the same time, and get paid this way to do nothing. Heck, they STILL have to take their scheduled breaks and lunch times. Know why? because even if they aren't doing anything, if they fail to take a scheduled break or lunch time, it is an infraction which can lead to dismissal from the contract. It's silly but it's how the contract works.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
I disagree. I've been in a union and found the union to be completely pointless. I objected to the small amount of my salary that was deducted from each pay.
However, that's still not to say that all unions are pointless. As much as I hate to say it, even the trade unions, where the labor is skilled, have a purpose. They fight to continue to provide their members a living wage. While you may like the idea that outsiders, illegal aliens or whatnot, may be able to provide some of the same labor, for much less money, I don't like the risk of poor workmanship.
I couldn't agree more though, with the absolute lack of purpose for unions for non-skilled laborers (supermarket cashiers, walmart employees, and most assembly line jobs)
But, there are several areas where unions are quite beneficial. One recent area is in the medical field. Nurses have found it necessary to unionize to fight dangerous working conditions - not dangerous for them, but rather dangerous for their patients. A nurse provides the vast majority of a patient's care, particularly in hospitals. The doctors spend 10 minutes with them a day (tops.) Yet, the administration at many hospitals sees giving nurses more and more patients as a way to cut expenses. And, some hospitals in more rural areas are/were providing nurses with a fraction of the salary (half) their counterparts are making in other areas, while the nurses are providing the exact same services to the same types of patients, whose care is being paid for by the same insurance companies. AND, those hospitals are simultaneously crying about how hard it is to hire nurses.
Biggerhammer
Golden Member
Three big dinosaurs. This is just another sad, sad, sad symptom of the death that they have been building for themselves for decades.
And the parasitic unions are going to point fingers all over when the big three vanish.
And the parasitic unions are going to point fingers all over when the big three vanish.
IronWing
No Lifer
The overall union contract must have been good for the company or the company wouldn't have signed it. The board and company officers have a fudiciary responsibility to the stockholders; it is illegal from them to act in a manner contrary to the interests of the stockholders. The stockholders haven't sued the board and officers therefore the practice described in the OP must be good for the company.
Ergo epson ukelo - Another example of shareholder apathy allowing piss poor management.
Ergo epson ukelo - Another example of shareholder apathy allowing piss poor management.
OutHouse
Lifer
yip, i have a friend who owns a Phillips gas station, but before he bought the station he worked at the Budweiser plant in Ft Collins Colorado. His work day was your normal 8 hours but in that 8 hours he only had 1 hour of work. One day while bored out of his mind he picked up a broom and swept his area. He got his ass chewed because as they put it "it was not his job to sweep" a few months later he bought that gas station and quit the union life.
ArmchairAthlete
Diamond Member
You realize what unions can do when they don't get what they want, right?
They may have been faced with no production, or continued production but wasted money on things like paying people to do nothing.
Makes me sad for our country reading stories like this. We haven't been competitive in most manufacturing for quite some time though.
DragonMasterAlex
Banned
See, this is the problem with these kinds of programs. They *inherently* breed dishonesty.
Down with Unions.
Jason
DragonMasterAlex
Banned
If you're an honest person all you have to do is read the OP's story and you'll get it. NO ONE has the right to get paid for doing *nothing*.
Job Security is a TERRIBLE concept that shouldn't exist. If you're not beneficial to the health of the business, you shouldn't be there, period. An Honest man has no desire to be handed something he didn't earn.
Jason
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