112 dead to help keep walmart prices down

Meghan54

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You do understand that clothing made in Bangladesh show up in many more stores than just Wal-Mart, right? Stores like Macy's, Gap, Old Navy, JC Penney, H&M, Marks & Spencer, Carrefour and Tesco, etc., etc.

Or maybe you don't understand that, given your post's title.
 

StrangerGuy

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Yeah, let's just cut off all outsourced manufacturing jobs in poor third world countries, I'm sure their lives would be so much better without the capito-imperialist pigs in charge.

OP sounds just as dumb as those Indonesians who doesn't want Foxconn providing jobs in their country.
 

Perknose

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You do understand that clothing made in Bangladesh show up in many more stores than just Wal-Mart, right? Stores like Macy's, Gap, Old Navy, JC Penney, H&M, Marks & Spencer, Carrefour and Tesco, etc., etc.

Or maybe you don't understand that, given your post's title.

Yeah, let's just cut off all outsourced manufacturing jobs in poor third world countries, I'm sure their lives would be so much better without the capito-imperialist pigs in charge.

OP sounds just as dumb as those Indonesians who doesn't want Foxconn providing jobs in their country.

^^^ Cue the smug, angry apologists who refuse to confront this structural atrocity of our global economy forthrightly.

Enjoy your cheap clothes and dollar store crapola, you two. Just remember, karma is a bitch, and the Romney 1% are the ones truly profiting here.

They're laughing at you behind your back.
 

Meghan54

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^^^ Cue the smug, angry apologists who refuse to confront this structural atrocity of our global economy forthrightly.

Enjoy your cheap clothes and dollar store crapola, you two. Just remember, karma is a bitch, and the Romney 1% are the ones truly profiting here.

They're laughing at you behind your back.


Could say the same about you, Perk. Seems smug suits you well.

BTW....I own and run a small business and am certainly not part of the 1% or whatever the hell you want to insult us with.

I do understand the outsourcing problem completely and had major issues when Bush signed tax incentives/breaks for companies that outsourced their work......

But, realistically, that's the way the world's business has worked for a loooooong time. We, in the U.S., have just taken it to a new level, unfortunately.

My lone point was to point out to the OP that no one has blood on their hands buying anything from Bangladesh in any store, and certainly not from this fire.
 

Smoblikat

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I dont get it, they dont only supply walmart, so why the bias? Also, a fire is hardly a reason to consider not buying from a company, accidents happen.
 

DrPizza

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It has nothing to do with where they work, who they work for, or where their products are going. It has everything to do with building codes in that country. A fire can start in any building. Bangladesh is a very densely populated country. A fire on the ground floor of just about any large building with the same types of staircases is going to have a similar outcome.

The only reason this story was written was to try to make people feel bad; to try to shift blame to the consumers. That is, unless you believe that Walmart, et al., convinced the authorities in those countries to use building codes that we ourselves knew to be dangerous 100 years ago.
 
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Unfortunately most people wont care, as long as they can save a couple dollars it doesn't matter to them how many people have to die. People still shop at Walmart even though they know about all the outsourcing
 

StrangerGuy

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It has nothing to do with where they work, who they work for, or where their products are going. It has everything to do with building codes in that country. A fire can start in any building. Bangladesh is a very densely populated country. A fire on the ground floor of just about any large building with the same types of staircases is going to have a similar outcome.

The only reason this story was written was to try to make people feel bad; to try to shift blame to the consumers. That is, unless you believe that Walmart, et al., convinced the authorities in those countries to use building codes that we ourselves knew to be dangerous 100 years ago.

Huh, you mean poor countries should be largely self responsible in their own well-being and their failures? Such an utterly nonsensical concept!
 

Jaskalas

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Huh, you mean poor countries should be largely self responsible in their own well-being and their failures? Such an utterly nonsensical concept!

It's not enough to impose on all of us nationally, seems they want to own the whole planet as well.

Step one, impose on them via sanctions. How dare their workers die?!
 

Baptismbyfire

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Due to scarcity of resources and the impossibility of everyone enjoying a high standard of living, it is inevitable that we force lower wages on workers in other countries (either through manipulating their laws or by refusing to deal with them if their production costs are too high, which will be if their wages are as high as ours). However, once we start treating people in other countries as slaves or no better than slaves, we encourage the same practice on the workers of our own country. And that's what's been happening in the states, where the weapons (anything from sophisticated intelligence technology to the media being controlled by a handful of corporations to disseminate false information) that have been so finely honed by the government through use in quelling anti-Western riots and crushing any opposition to our own interests in collusion with corporations are now slowly being turned towards its own populace.
 

Geosurface

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With 7 billion people... it's hard to be moved to tears over 100 in the third world.
 

Newbian

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No blood on mine otherwise I would not buy it and instead get a different shirt at the same place. :p

Seriously this has nothing to do with stores that sell them but with the countries shitty standards and it's up to them to do something about it and not mine.
 

Newbian

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You do understand that clothing made in Bangladesh show up in many more stores than just Wal-Mart, right? Stores like Macy's, Gap, Old Navy, JC Penney, H&M, Marks & Spencer, Carrefour and Tesco, etc., etc.

Or maybe you don't understand that, given your post's title.

This as it is very hard to find a store that sells clothing made in America only around here and even if you do their selection generally is crappy and they wonder why they can't sell enough to stay in business.

Not to mention online places are not a option as I prefer to try the clothing out first to make sure it is what I want.
 
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Moonbeam

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This as it is very hard to find a store that sells clothing made in America only around here and even if you do their selection generally is crappy and they wonder why they can't sell enough to stay in business.

Not to mention online places are not a option as I prefer to try the clothing out first to make sure it is what I want.

Ah, so it's your selfish preference for trying on clothing that accounts for all these deaths. Nice.
 

Moonbeam

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What is this thread about:

I think it is about the emotions that are being felt by various people to a nascent awareness that is developing of late, the consequences we are experiencing from global trade. The corporate answer to competition, and don't forget that competition is hate, is to dive as fast to the bottom as one can, sell as much as you can and pay workers as little as you can. As the pay goes down the need for cheap junk goes up. People themselves are simply replaceable worthless tools and society treats them as such.

The awareness of these facts created conflicting emotions with the inevitable reactions to those, a desire not to face them. But the growth in consciousness is an inevitable consequence of need and need is growing all over the world. The race to the bottom creates disparity of wealth, masses who are destitute at the bottom with a few who are wealthy at the too, and a huge middle struggling to make ends meet.

The answer to this will be long and slow in coming, if we survive the hell we have created at all. It will involve, I think, a new kind of consciousness and a new business ethic, that life is to be lived for the joy of living rather than the joy of acquisition, that as Obama says, growing the economy from the middle out. People will have to earn enough to be able to afford to buy. The good of the many will have to prevail over the good of the few. The few and the many are beginning to see that the good of the few is the death of us all.

Meanwhile, those not involved yet in any meaningful expansion of their own consciousness will be reacting with rationalizations to their own guilt and pretending they are innocent. They are fighting off the feeling of death creeping into their bones. Some awaken more easily than others. But again, as our need increases so will our consciousness. The race is between evolution and extinction.
 

Genx87

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^^^ Cue the smug, angry apologists who refuse to confront this structural atrocity of our global economy forthrightly.

Enjoy your cheap clothes and dollar store crapola, you two. Just remember, karma is a bitch, and the Romney 1% are the ones truly profiting here.

They're laughing at you behind your back.

What is the structural atrocity you speak of? That poor people in poor countries with low skillsets can produce something for wealthy nations and be compensated for it?
 

IGemini

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We're looking at the logical consequence of globalization. America and Europe went through the exact same steps even following the industrial revolution (see: Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire of 1911). Since cheap labor is much easier to find in less-developed countries, and corporations are concerned with maximizing profit, there won't be a huge shortage of that anytime soon.

As much as I wish the process was further along, this will be the nature of the beast for quite some time...or it'll collapse the economy. I'm not counting on the corporations to improve worker conditions (though it would be nice if they put some effort into it), the push for change falls largely on the country and its people. Not just in Bangladesh. Outrage from us over it might as well be directed at the weather.
 

Newbian

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Ah, so it's your selfish preference for trying on clothing that accounts for all these deaths. Nice.

It sure is as it's my preference to make sure the cloths I buy fit right and look decent so if that must mean the innocent must die so be it to make sure I look good. :biggrin: