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10k rpm, 8MB cache, 5 year warranty, what is it? SATA desktop drive from WD!!
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Viper96720
Diamond Member
Yep some have said performance increased using win 2000 instead of XP.
Interesting...I haven't been following the P4 chipsets too much lately...definately good news. I may have to try that chipset when it's released...🙂
Edit: I wonder if Nvidia has any plans to update the MCP-T Southbridge with native S-ATA support mapped to the Hypertransport bus anytime in the near future?
The 15,000 RPM Seagate X15-36LP tops out at 60 MB/s. Since I doubt a slower ATA drive will top that, I'd say the PCI bus ceiling is still fairly safe. I'll assume that the WD(probably using lower density platters than the 200JB, which does about 55) will fall between that and the Barracuda V. Even if you were transferring from one channel to the other at max speed while playing an audio track and downloading through a PCI NIC you still wouldn't hit the 122MB/s or so functional limit.
Current generation SCSI 10K drives from the 3 major players (Seagate, Fujitsu, Maxtor) all hit 69MB/s or better, so I would hope the WD is not below 60MB/s, that would be pretty paltry performance from a drive that should perform head and shoulders above its ATA competition in all aspects. If the drive hits 70MB/s or higher, the PCI bus is still not an issue in a single drive environment. Even with 2 drives running at max performance the PCI won't be limiting much.
You're right, but I was mainly speculating in the absence of any real hard info. There's much more to transfer rate than just spindle speed, so I was trying to peg it by balancing a faster spinning 200JB with less dense platters. Hopefully the real improvement will be in the access time.
CZroe
Lifer
Uhh, serial ATA is serial ATA: A new interface that some motherboards include a controller for.
Of course...
It's still "ATA."
You can buy a PCI controller.
You can buy a "Serillel" adapter to use ATAXXX drives with one.
Advantages:
Daisy-chainable with certain devices.
Super thin cable (No longer a ribbon)
Faster than ATA133
Disadvantages (Compared to SCSI)
Lower max throughput
High CPU overhead (Like regular IDE)
More limited device channels (Daisy-chaining requires each device to carry another SATA controller)
Of course...
It's still "ATA."
You can buy a PCI controller.
You can buy a "Serillel" adapter to use ATAXXX drives with one.
Advantages:
Daisy-chainable with certain devices.
Super thin cable (No longer a ribbon)
Faster than ATA133
Disadvantages (Compared to SCSI)
Lower max throughput
High CPU overhead (Like regular IDE)
More limited device channels (Daisy-chaining requires each device to carry another SATA controller)
Nope.......this seems a little too far fetched.
Just think about it, the new generation of 7200rpm drives have just one year warranty, with those with the 8MB cache having 3 years. No way is WD going to provide a 10000rpm drive with 5 yrs warranty. Its ridiculous seeing the increased overall unreliability in hard disks of the present compared with the past. Wouldn't the reliability of HDs be further reduced by increasing the rpm? This is not in the least bit sceptical of WD, but as the HD market overall......
Unlikely events have happened in this industry before so I guess its not impossible, but I wasn't aware that 10k rpm drives were on the horizon - no clue was given in recent reviews about these plans.
If such a product does come out on the 11th then it must cost way more than other 7200rpm ones......guess the next week or so will be interesting...
Just think about it, the new generation of 7200rpm drives have just one year warranty, with those with the 8MB cache having 3 years. No way is WD going to provide a 10000rpm drive with 5 yrs warranty. Its ridiculous seeing the increased overall unreliability in hard disks of the present compared with the past. Wouldn't the reliability of HDs be further reduced by increasing the rpm? This is not in the least bit sceptical of WD, but as the HD market overall......
Unlikely events have happened in this industry before so I guess its not impossible, but I wasn't aware that 10k rpm drives were on the horizon - no clue was given in recent reviews about these plans.
If such a product does come out on the 11th then it must cost way more than other 7200rpm ones......guess the next week or so will be interesting...
Viper96720
Diamond Member
Dependening on cost I wonder how it will perform compared to a 10K scsi drive. Also how loud will it be. If it isn't too much may have to get me a serial ata card.
It won't be as fast as SCSI unless WD plans on charging SCSI like prices for the drive. Today's ATA drives have slower access times than 7200RPM SCSI drives from 1999. Lowering access time costs money which the ATA market does not allow for. If I was WD I would charge more than current SCSI drive makers. The ATA market is so large that the exclusive market they would be in would allow them to charge exorbitant prices and not cost themselves much in the volume sales department. Also without the additional cost of a SCSI controller, WD can charge $50 more than SCSI and still be $40+ cheaper than the entry cost of SCSI.
The increase in spindle speed does not mean reliability is worse. More important is how well the drive is made. SCSI drives are all 10k and 15k RPM's now and almost all carry a 5 year warranty with 1million hour+ MBTF, while the cost driven ATA market is only 7200RPM with 1-3 year warranty and 300,000-500,000 MTBF.
Anyone wanna bet that it's a massive vapour launch?
I wouldnt be at all surprised if we finally see them on the market a good 6 months after announcement.
I'd be perfectly content with 3mnths after announcement though.... a nice 10K IDE drive w/8MB cache sounds rather attractive.
God knows, we can always use faster HDD's.
I wonder if WD will stick with the IDE norm of 3.5" drives, or go with the 10K+ SCSI ideal of 3" drives....
This is of course assuming XBit is correct, and I'm not terribly convinced of their reliability when it comes to news. False HDD news bits are relatuvely rare though, so it's probably safe to say it's true.
I do doubt the 5yr warranty bit though, I strongly suspect it'll see a 3yr warranty ala WD's 8MB 7200RPM drives.
I wouldnt be at all surprised if we finally see them on the market a good 6 months after announcement.
I'd be perfectly content with 3mnths after announcement though.... a nice 10K IDE drive w/8MB cache sounds rather attractive.
God knows, we can always use faster HDD's.
I wonder if WD will stick with the IDE norm of 3.5" drives, or go with the 10K+ SCSI ideal of 3" drives....
This is of course assuming XBit is correct, and I'm not terribly convinced of their reliability when it comes to news. False HDD news bits are relatuvely rare though, so it's probably safe to say it's true.
I do doubt the 5yr warranty bit though, I strongly suspect it'll see a 3yr warranty ala WD's 8MB 7200RPM drives.
sharkeeper
Lifer
Imagine the outer STR with 5.25" platters at 15,000 RPM! Can you say 160+ MB/S? Of course, mechanically the drive would be a bear and probably need to be liquid cooled. :Q
Cheers!
Cheers!
Where'd you get that. SATA is a INTERNAL (not external) point-to-point interface (meaning each device gets it's own connection).
Based on what? All the SATA devices currently on the market (controllers and mobos) use SATA to PATA converters (ie: they have a SATA connection onboard but then use a SATA to PATA converter to use the SATA drives but they're still on the regular PATA controller as far as the mobo or addin card are concerned [and the OS/CPU]). Have you secretly received a native SATA controller? Or a chipset that actually has a SATA controller integrated and tested it? If so you should definately post your results
Where did you get that one? Number of devices (and hence channels) is dependant on the controller the particular manufacturer implements. Most popular will likely be 4 (mimicking PATA) however the number is definately not limited in anyway.
Thorin
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