1080p - Time for a reality check!

[RaynorWolfcastle]

A am fairly certain that this article has been around for awhile and most of what it says doesn't really apply any more.

1) There are 1080p60 capable displays that accept 1080p60 through HDMI.

2) HD-DVDs are encoded as 1080p24, so this "there is no 1080p content available" hypothesis goes out the window. (It is true however that the initial Toshiba units cannot output 1080p, but upcoming units will)

3) I vaguely remember reading that wobulation works at 120Hz to give you a 1080p60 image, so I'm quite doubtful that anyone can actually see any difference between it and 1080p60 generated from a 1920 x 1080 microdisplay.

4) If you're worried about scaling, get an external scaler and/or deinterlacer, there are now several chips that employ more sophisticated algorithms that don't resort to halving the resolution to generate a 1080p signal.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
A am fairly certain that this article has been around for awhile and most of what it says doesn't really apply any more.

1) There are 1080p60 capable displays that accept 1080p60 through HDMI.

2) HD-DVDs are encoded as 1080p24, so this "there is no 1080p content available" hypothesis goes out the window. (It is true however that the initial Toshiba units cannot output 1080p, but upcoming units will)

3) I vaguely remember reading that wobulation works at 120Hz to give you a 1080p60 image, so I'm quite doubtful that anyone can actually see any difference between it and 1080p60 generated from a 1920 x 1080p.

4) If you're worried about scaling, get an external scaler and/or deinterlacer, there are now several chips that employ more sophisticated algorithms that don't resort to halving the resolution to generate a 1080p signal.

rah, rah, display do what I tell it do ciscumbah!

 

[RossMAN]

Thanks.

 

[Looney]

Well, i only skimmed it, got too much of a headache to read the entire thing, but pretty much everything he says is true... although his conclusions are a bit dumb. He could have written the same article about 720p or 1080i 5 years ago. Does that mean we shouldn't have been excited about 720p? Yeah, lets just stick to SDTV, because SD content would look crappy on a HDTV. Lets not bother with HDTVs, because there aren't any HD content out there. blah blah blah

 

[The Batt?sai]

i have a 720p monitor

 

[JDrake]

Originally posted by: intogamer
damn yo any spark notes?

lololol

 

[Accipiter22]

July 1, 2005 date of article

 

[LukFilm]

Unless you have a >50" TV and sit really close, 99.9% of people will not see any difference between 720p and 1080p.

 

[secretanchitman]

my family is getting the sony VPW-VW100 (or whatever its model name is) projector. it does 1080p and has hdmi and dvi, with ethernet...though i dont really know what the ethernet is used for.

we are going to be viewing content from our HTPC (i will make a thread on it as soon as our home theater is completed) via the dvi to hdmi connection so we can watch movies and whatever else in 1080p (upscaled of course). the projector does 1920x1080. i know people make a huge deal and say theres no 1080p sources yet, blah blah.

i cant wait until blu-ray/hd-dvd comes out, so we can really make use of the projector. or ill just get the ps3 ($599 one of course, not the non-hdmi one).

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Thanks.

I wouldn't buy non 1080p display. Obsolete.

 

[SampSon]

People running out and buying these top end TVs won't get to see their top end media before their bulb burns out anyway.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: LukFilm
Unless you have a >50" TV and sit really close, 99.9% of people will not see any difference between 720p and 1080p.

They won't see a difference because they wouldn't be watching 1080p content in the first place.

 

[Mani]

Article makes a few good points, and some no-so good. 1080p is still, at this point primarily hype. It will remain extremely limited in use for a while, and it will be very difficult - nigh impossible to find 1080p broadcast content any time soon. Bandwidth is at an extreme premium for satellite, and it just doesn't bring enough ROI for cable operators to adopt it. The only area you will see 1080p content trickling in in the near future is pre-recorded content, either in Bluray/HD-DVD or in PCs.

The primary advantage of 1080p imagers in the near future will be to have pristine-looking deinterlaced 1080i, assuming of course you have an excellent 1080i deinterlacer. However if you're buying an HDTV today, your money would be better spent on an outstanding external scaler/deinterlacer than a 1080p display. Because no matter what the native resolution of your imager is, the vast majority of content you watch will not match it. In fact, the vast majority of content out there will, in fact look worse on a 1080p TV than it will a 720p TV, or even a 480p TV.

 

[13Gigatons]

Things to consider:

1. Interlaced vs. Progressive: It would have been nice if HDTV had chosen to elimnate interlacing all together and gone to 24 progressive frames like movies are still done after all these years. Interlacing is 30 frames created from 60 fields, this causes flicker.

2. Line Doublers, triplers, quadruplers: If you had 24 frames as the source, the TV could triple it to 72 progessive frames. It wouldn't be the same as 72 frames from a source but it would clean up the picture some and with CRT projectors make them brighter.

3. Front End CRT: Still the king but I've seen some top end digital projectors that have improved their black levels a lot. The only problem is that they are as heavy as the CRT's are.

 

[Staples]

Well the article is right in that 1080p is a lot of hype and almost zero substance. The HDDVD players only output 1080i and probably so will the Blu Ray players. The PS3 will supposedly play games in 1080p and if it does, that would be the first product on the market that outputs 1080p. To my knowledge, nothing does now and even if something did, the TV probably would not support it.

 

[Kremlar]

I wouldn't buy non 1080p display. Obsolete.

I wouldn't buy a CRT display. Obsolete.

lol

 

[0roo0roo]

well its true many displays just don't have the pixels or phosphor dots to display the whole resolution to begin with.

 

[secretanchitman]

i thought that hd-dvd will start out with 1080i movies, and blu-ray is 1080p all the way...correct me if im wrong though.

 

[Muadib]

I can't wait until my pre ordered Samsung 1080p set comes in.
After seeing HDDVD in action, I may pass on Blu ray, and the PS3 after all.

 

[her209]

Hexagonal pixel > Rectangular pixel