1080p necessary?

[Legend]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: NaOH
Dad wants to get a new hdtv. He saw a samsung 50" plasma for about $2k but only does 720p. We don't currently have any devices (besides 360) that does 1080p. Is watching movies or games at 1080p that different than 720p?

Overpriced.

Get this TV:
50" Sony SXRD (Sony's version of DLP using LcoS) 1080p. $1800.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_50A200...05-6484_7-31901230.html?tag=prod.txt.1
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productD...ODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=3

Or this TV:
60" Sony SXRD (Sony's version of DLP using LcoS) 1080p. $2300.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_60A2000/4505-6484_7-31901232.html?tag=pdtl-list
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productD...ODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=3

I don't know if u can say overpriced when the plasma is thinner and has a better contrast ratio 😕 I think what you meant to say was. If you want cheaper 1080p and size doesn't matter then get this.

60" is way to big for our small living room

Overpriced because it's $2000 for 50" of 720p. Personally I'm much more concerned abou the picture quality than a TV with 20" of depth versus 5" of depth. If you're looking at mounting to a wall, sure. In that case I'd save a few hundred more and get a 46" Samsung/Sony 1080p LCD.

You are confusing contrast with brightness. The SXRD has a contrast ratio of 10,000:1, just like most plasmas. I mean if you spent more than 10 seconds reading what I posted you'd see the CNET review rave about the quality of blacks with the SXRD, the specs post 10,000:1. You'd also see that I recommended a 50" TV for $1800, that is the same technology as the 60" version that CNET and consumers have rated very high. It's hardly cheap 1080p. Sure it's no 52" Sony/Samsung LCD, but it's the next best thing. Circuit City has it for cheap right now because Sony is releasing the 2020, which is the same damn TV but black.

 

[Quasmo]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
kind of low res for 50"
as for the difference, sure there is, its twice the pixels. whether your screen is good enough to make that apparent is another thing.

more than twice. Almost 3.5 times

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: NaOH
Dad wants to get a new hdtv. He saw a samsung 50" plasma for about $2k but only does 720p. We don't currently have any devices (besides 360) that does 1080p. Is watching movies or games at 1080p that different than 720p?

Overpriced.

Get this TV:
50" Sony SXRD (Sony's version of DLP using LcoS) 1080p. $1800.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_50A200...05-6484_7-31901230.html?tag=prod.txt.1
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productD...ODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=3

Or this TV:
60" Sony SXRD (Sony's version of DLP using LcoS) 1080p. $2300.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_60A2000/4505-6484_7-31901232.html?tag=pdtl-list
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productD...ODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=3

I don't know if u can say overpriced when the plasma is thinner and has a better contrast ratio 😕 I think what you meant to say was. If you want cheaper 1080p and size doesn't matter then get this.

60" is way to big for our small living room

Overpriced because it's $2000 for 50" of 720p. Personally I'm much more concerned abou the picture quality than a TV with 20" of depth versus 5" of depth. If you're looking at mounting to a wall, sure. In that case I'd save a few hundred more and get a 46" Samsung/Sony 1080p LCD.

You are confusing contrast with brightness. The SXRD has a contrast ratio of 10,000:1, just like most plasmas. I mean if you spent more than 10 seconds reading what I posted you'd see the CNET review rave about the quality of blacks with the SXRD, the specs post 10,000:1. You'd also see that I recommended a 50" TV for $1800, that is the same technology as the 60" version that CNET and consumers have rated very high. It's hardly cheap 1080p. Sure it's no 52" Sony/Samsung LCD, but it's the next best thing. Circuit City has it for cheap right now because Sony is releasing the 2020, which is the same damn TV but black.

I did notice that it was 10,000. But the samsung i was looking at had 15,000. So yes, throwing the word overpriced around was a bad choice. As you can see...
http://www.shop.com/op/~Samsung_HPT5054...HDTV-prod-42078552-55723177?sourceid=3
Maybe just not worth the amount of space saved to you vs IQ...

Whether my dad PREFERS to spend more money on a thinner screen is up to him, I'm just asking whether it makes that much of a difference (yes I know it is a much higher resolution, but that doesn't mean I/he/my family/anyone else will notice 3.5x the IQ). Shoot, I guess i'll just get someone with a 1080p source and capable tv to let me check it out then.

 

[fallensight]

Currently everything is only broadcast in either 720p or 1080i, and no one is planning on going to 1080p in the near future either. There is a difference in bandwidth needed, and as most people dont even have an HDTV yet, the networks are not going to invest in it yet.

It is my personal preference, but I would not buy a LCD. The DLP or plasma sets just look so much better to me. And at the end of it, weather you end up on a 720p or wait for a 1080p, it is all about how it looks to you.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: NaOH
Dad wants to get a new hdtv. He saw a samsung 50" plasma for about $2k but only does 720p. We don't currently have any devices (besides 360) that does 1080p. Is watching movies or games at 1080p that different than 720p?

Overpriced.

Get this TV:
50" Sony SXRD (Sony's version of DLP using LcoS) 1080p. $1800.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_50A200...05-6484_7-31901230.html?tag=prod.txt.1
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productD...ODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=3

Or this TV:
60" Sony SXRD (Sony's version of DLP using LcoS) 1080p. $2300.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_60A2000/4505-6484_7-31901232.html?tag=pdtl-list
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productD...ODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=3

I don't know if u can say overpriced when the plasma is thinner and has a better contrast ratio 😕 I think what you meant to say was. If you want cheaper 1080p and size doesn't matter then get this.

60" is way to big for our small living room

Overpriced because it's $2000 for 50" of 720p. Personally I'm much more concerned abou the picture quality than a TV with 20" of depth versus 5" of depth. If you're looking at mounting to a wall, sure. In that case I'd save a few hundred more and get a 46" Samsung/Sony 1080p LCD.

You are confusing contrast with brightness. The SXRD has a contrast ratio of 10,000:1, just like most plasmas. I mean if you spent more than 10 seconds reading what I posted you'd see the CNET review rave about the quality of blacks with the SXRD, the specs post 10,000:1. You'd also see that I recommended a 50" TV for $1800, that is the same technology as the 60" version that CNET and consumers have rated very high. It's hardly cheap 1080p. Sure it's no 52" Sony/Samsung LCD, but it's the next best thing. Circuit City has it for cheap right now because Sony is releasing the 2020, which is the same damn TV but black.

I did notice that it was 10,000. But the samsung i was looking at had 15,000. So yes, throwing the word overpriced around was a bad choice. As you can see...
http://www.shop.com/op/~Samsung_HPT5054...HDTV-prod-42078552-55723177?sourceid=3
Maybe just not worth the amount of space saved to you vs IQ...

Whether my dad PREFERS to spend more money on a thinner screen is up to him, I'm just asking whether it makes that much of a difference (yes I know it is a much higher resolution, but that doesn't mean I/he/my family/anyone else will notice 3.5x the IQ). Shoot, I guess i'll just get someone with a 1080p source and capable tv to let me check it out then.

Fair enough. If you're getting 720p or less signals for the next 5 years or so, and you like the strengths of plasma, go for it.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: NaOH

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: NaOH
Dad wants to get a new hdtv. He saw a samsung 50" plasma for about $2k but only does 720p. We don't currently have any devices (besides 360) that does 1080p. Is watching movies or games at 1080p that different than 720p?

Overpriced.

Get this TV:
50" Sony SXRD (Sony's version of DLP using LcoS) 1080p. $1800.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_50A200...05-6484_7-31901230.html?tag=prod.txt.1
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productD...ODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=3

Or this TV:
60" Sony SXRD (Sony's version of DLP using LcoS) 1080p. $2300.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDS_60A2000/4505-6484_7-31901232.html?tag=pdtl-list
http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productD...ODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=3

I don't know if u can say overpriced when the plasma is thinner and has a better contrast ratio 😕 I think what you meant to say was. If you want cheaper 1080p and size doesn't matter then get this.

60" is way to big for our small living room

Overpriced because it's $2000 for 50" of 720p. Personally I'm much more concerned abou the picture quality than a TV with 20" of depth versus 5" of depth. If you're looking at mounting to a wall, sure. In that case I'd save a few hundred more and get a 46" Samsung/Sony 1080p LCD.

You are confusing contrast with brightness. The SXRD has a contrast ratio of 10,000:1, just like most plasmas. I mean if you spent more than 10 seconds reading what I posted you'd see the CNET review rave about the quality of blacks with the SXRD, the specs post 10,000:1. You'd also see that I recommended a 50" TV for $1800, that is the same technology as the 60" version that CNET and consumers have rated very high. It's hardly cheap 1080p. Sure it's no 52" Sony/Samsung LCD, but it's the next best thing. Circuit City has it for cheap right now because Sony is releasing the 2020, which is the same damn TV but black.

I did notice that it was 10,000. But the samsung i was looking at had 15,000. So yes, throwing the word overpriced around was a bad choice. As you can see...
http://www.shop.com/op/~Samsung_HPT5054...HDTV-prod-42078552-55723177?sourceid=3
Maybe just not worth the amount of space saved to you vs IQ...

Whether my dad PREFERS to spend more money on a thinner screen is up to him, I'm just asking whether it makes that much of a difference (yes I know it is a much higher resolution, but that doesn't mean I/he/my family/anyone else will notice 3.5x the IQ). Shoot, I guess i'll just get someone with a 1080p source and capable tv to let me check it out then.

Aren't "720p" plasma TVs 1024x768?

 

[Legend]

Are you confused about the listed 1365 x 768 resolution? They seem to vary a lot. The really high end plasmas that cost 5k+ are coming out with 1080p.

I don't think the 15,000:1 versus 10,000 contrast ratio is making a big difference. I think the plasma he's looking at looks better because the colors are more vibrant than DLP or LCOS.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Legend
Are you confused about the listed 1365 x 768 resolution? They seem to vary a lot. The really high end plasmas that cost 5k+ are coming out with 1080p.

I don't think the 15,000:1 versus 10,000 contrast ratio is making a big difference. I think the plasma he's looking at looks better because the colors are more vibrant than DLP or LCOS.

I didn't look at the link. I just know that some plasmas are 1024x768 with rectangular pixels.

 

[TangoJuliet]

I am in the same boat....looking for a 46-50"+ LCD or Plasma 1080p TV.

There are a bunch of things to consider with the biggest being viewing distance. The furtheset away that you will be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p is about 7-8 feet max. If you are viewing the tv from a distance greater then that then 1080p will be pointless at those sizes (46-50).

I been reasearching and was going to get the 46" sony xbr2 with the glass bezel but I found out that it suffers from clouding issues during dark scenes. Some people say that the samsungs also suffer from this.

The Sharq Aquos suffer from some color banding that swayed me away from those models as well. My buddy has a 37" Aquos and it doesnt have any banding and looks great so YMMV.

The absolute best tv out there right now is the Pioneer 50" Pro Plasma but the price tag is about $5000 online or about $7500 in the stores. Like someone else had mentioned a lot of new models are on the way and Pioneer is launching their new plasma line soon so you may be able to get an older pro on the cheap.

Hope that helps!

Edit: also as others have mentioned....currently hdtv is broadcast in 1080i so you arent gaining anything there by having a 1080p set. the ps3, x360 (via vga), blu-ray and hddvd all do 1080p so if you have any of those it'll definately be worth it.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: alkohoLiK
I am in the same boat....looking for a 46-50"+ LCD or Plasma 1080p TV.

There are a bunch of things to consider with the biggest being viewing distance. The furtheset away that you will be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p is about 7-8 feet max. If you are viewing the tv from a distance greater then that then 1080p will be pointless at those sizes (46-50).

I been reasearching and was going to get the 46" sony xbr2 with the glass bezel but I found out that it suffers from clouding issues during dark scenes. Some people say that the samsungs also suffer from this.

The Sharq Aquos suffer from some color banding that swayed me away from those models as well. My buddy has a 37" Aquos and it doesnt have any banding and looks great so YMMV.

The absolute best tv out there right now is the Pioneer 50" Pro Plasma but the price tag is about $5000 online or about $7500 in the stores. Like someone else had mentioned a lot of new models are on the way and Pioneer is launching their new plasma line soon so you may be able to get an older pro on the cheap.

Hope that helps!

Edit: also as others have mentioned....currently hdtv is broadcast in 1080i so you arent gaining anything there by having a 1080p set. the ps3, x360 (via vga), blu-ray and hddvd all do 1080p so if you have any of those it'll definately be worth it.

Yeah, I personally feel like there isn't a flat screen that doesn't come with disadvantages that sways me from buying it. Projection screens seems to be the best middleground in terms of everything (Price/IQ, while giving up size).

 

[mlm]

If you plan on getting a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player, you have to get a 1080i or 1080p (w/ HDCP) native TV. It currently won't output Blu-Ray to 720p, and most people with only 720p complain that the TV's scaling from 1080i is awful.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: mlm
If you plan on getting a PS3 as a Blu-Ray player, you have to get a 1080i or 1080p (w/ HDCP) native TV. It currently won't output Blu-Ray to 720p, and most people with only 720p complain that the TV's scaling from 1080i is awful.

Sorry, I already have the xbox with hd add on so I won't be shelling out another 500-600 for the ps3. The thing I would recommend my dad to get is an oppo up converting player though (my xbox isn't always there since I'm a senior in college and have it in the house i share with my friends). They typically only watch dvds and satellite for now. But i would assume they would watch the HD stuff that they can get for free over the air.

Thanks for the tip though. I wasn't aware that the problem still existed.

 

[FlashG]

1080p is OK with my 55" Wega but could be better if Comcast wouldn't compress the signal so much. OTA is very good but commercials svck. My OPPO DV-970HD player is goodness.

 

[jdoggg12]

Originally posted by: FlashG
1080p is OK with my 55" Wega but could be better if Comcast wouldn't compress the signal so much. OTA is very good but commercials svck. My OPPO DV-970HD player is goodness.

1080i - cable doesn't offer 1080p AFAIK

 

[spidey07]

You guys are failing to understand that 1080i = 1080p for all intents and purposes. For film based source they are truly identical.

Video de-interlacers are really good these days and you'd be hard pressed to actually notice a difference between a 1080i and 1080p source on a good 1080p display.

So since most all HD is in 1080i it only makes sense to only get a 1080p display.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: jdoggg12

Originally posted by: FlashG
1080p is OK with my 55" Wega but could be better if Comcast wouldn't compress the signal so much. OTA is very good but commercials svck. My OPPO DV-970HD player is goodness.

1080i - cable doesn't offer 1080p AFAIK

You are right.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You guys are failing to understand that 1080i = 1080p for all intents and purposes. For film based source they are truly identical.

Video de-interlacers are really good these days and you'd be hard pressed to actually notice a difference between a 1080i and 1080p source on a good 1080p display.

So since most all HD is in 1080i it only makes sense to only get a 1080p display.

😕

 

[shortylickens]

Necessary? No, not necessary.
But by the same token, TV is not actually necessary.
Its just that lots of folks like to have it.

You will have to decide for yourself since it really is subjective.
Many people are still happy with old-school television and dont notice or dont care about the difference between standard TV and and the dozen variations of so-called "high definition" TV.
Go to a Best Buy or Circuit City, spend a little while looking at movies and TV shows. I know darn well they try to show off everything they can. You will see several televisions hooked up to progressive DVD players and BluRays and HD-DVD's and everything else.
Decide for yourself if the image quality is really worth the money or not.